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Post by Jonathan Singer on May 19, 2013 7:45:15 GMT -5
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Post by jonasi on May 19, 2013 8:22:26 GMT -5
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steveofbradenton
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Post by steveofbradenton on May 19, 2013 13:09:47 GMT -5
What a pitching duel so far with this 2 excellent prospects..............
Player IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Gerrit Cole 3.1 1 0 0 0 2 0 2.36
Player IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Allen Webster 4.0 1 1 1 2 7 0 2.48
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Post by Oregon Norm on May 19, 2013 13:22:20 GMT -5
74 pitches for Webster. He strikes out a lot of batters and that will make it crucial for him to get the BB/9 down. Both those - the Ks and the walks - inflate the pitch count. Two today. Not bad, but he's still on that 4+ per 9 pace.
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Post by steveofbradenton on May 19, 2013 14:18:43 GMT -5
Player IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Allen Webster 5.0 1 1 1 5 7 0 2.40
92 pitches for Webster with 48 strikes. ONE single.............BUT 5 WALKS! Pawtucket blew out Geritt Cole
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Post by brianthetaoist on May 19, 2013 14:19:35 GMT -5
Well, that marquee pitching matchup didn't last ... Cole gives up 7 earned runs in 5 2/3, with 3BB/4K. Webster walked too many, with 5BB in 5IP, but he also K'd 7 and only gave up 1H and 1R.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on May 19, 2013 15:01:22 GMT -5
Webster retired the first 11 hitters and then he lost his control. Walked back to back and give up a ground ball single to give up his only run. Then he lead off the 5th with two walks before the guy on 2nd was picked off and then he got a double play ball. Walked the leadoff batter in the 6th and came out. Didn't really start off wild at all. If Chris Martin isn't going to give up any runs this year, maybe the big club might be able to benefit from that.
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Post by Guidas on May 19, 2013 16:16:25 GMT -5
Quick Ben - trade Webster now while the hype is still high and you'll actually get something of high value in the package.
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Post by wskeleton76 on May 19, 2013 16:50:27 GMT -5
Wow. Brian Johnson, Pat Light, and Austin Maddox. Is there anyone still arguing college pick?
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Post by iakovos11 on May 19, 2013 16:58:41 GMT -5
Matt Barnes, Anthony Ranaudo, Brandon Workman, Keith Couch, Alex Wilson,and Stephen Fife are.
Oh, and Justin Masterson, too.
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Post by southernredsoxality on May 19, 2013 16:59:27 GMT -5
Let's talk about Mookie, 1/2 with another BB ans SB so far and no Ks. The machine keeps on keeping on...
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Post by Guidas on May 19, 2013 17:05:37 GMT -5
You call it college pick, I call it Ben Cherrington and Ameil Sawdaye..
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Post by godot on May 19, 2013 18:31:58 GMT -5
You call it college pick, I call it Ben Cherrington and Ameil Sawdaye.. Out of curiosity, who did they passes over to pick the three pitchers noted, and have any of the 2012 picks demonstrated any promise? Marrero and Augliera seem to be the only ones making any noise. Noticed that a number were still in extended spring training.
Was last years draft weak? It seemed they were reaching with their pitching selections, but I do not follow the available pool much at all. I do not want to rush to judgment on Cherrington and Sawdaye.
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Post by bsout2 on May 19, 2013 19:06:08 GMT -5
You call it college pick, I call it Ben Cherrington and Ameil Sawdaye.. Out of curiosity, who did they passes over to pick the three pitchers noted, and have any of the 2012 picks demonstrated any promise? Marrero and Augliera seem to be the only ones making any noise. Noticed that a number were still in extended spring training.
Was last years draft weak? It seemed they were reaching with their pitching selections, but I do not follow the available pool much at all. I do not want to rush to judgment on Cherrington and Sawdaye.
You must first understand. The Red Sox farm system is extremely strong right now. Cherrington pulled off an amazing trade last year and freed up payroll while also adding talent to the system. The Red Sox are having a competitive year after everyone wrote them off for dead. As a result of all this, we must have something to harp on. It is just natural as Red Sox fans. |
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Post by godot on May 19, 2013 19:22:38 GMT -5
Bscout, I was asking about last years draft , not the general state of the farm system, or his trading ability. The question was within the context of possibility judging Ben and crews skill levels scouting and selecting, which someone else brought up. My question was just that a question.
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Post by bsout2 on May 19, 2013 19:32:53 GMT -5
Bscout, I was asking about last years draft , not the general state of the farm system, or his trading ability. The question was within the context of possibility judging Ben and crews skill levels scouting and selecting, which someone else brought up. My question was just that a question. Sorry, I understood your question. I was just being sarcastic about how everyone was getting grumpy about last years draft. |
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Post by sammo420 on May 19, 2013 19:40:33 GMT -5
Out of curiosity, who did they passes over to pick the three pitchers noted, and have any of the 2012 picks demonstrated any promise? Marrero and Augliera seem to be the only ones making any noise. Noticed that a number were still in extended spring training.
Was last years draft weak? It seemed they were reaching with their pitching selections, but I do not follow the available pool much at all. I do not want to rush to judgment on Cherrington and Sawdaye.
You must first understand. The Red Sox farm system is extremely strong right now. Cherrington pulled off an amazing trade last year and freed up payroll while also adding talent to the system. The Red Sox are having a competitive year after everyone wrote them off for dead. As a result of all this, we must have something to harp on. It is just natural as Red Sox fans. What does any of this have to do with how they drafted last year? |
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Post by capecodda on May 19, 2013 20:01:41 GMT -5
Webster in my opinion seems to have trouble with trying to strike guys out. Hes very good at it, but when he gets two strikes he tries to nibble and aim his pitches, thus leading to his lack of command. Dennis oil can Boyd once told me at a book signing how he would rather have a 1 pitch out via a fly ball or ground out that a 5 pitch strike out.
Cole struggles once there is runners on base, and he will lose focus if things don't go his way. Cole hit Brandon Snyder(looked intentional) and after he hit Snyder he lost his control and head on the mound as he was tagged for 3 runs that inning all with 2 outs and even issued a balk to score a runner.
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Post by capecodda on May 19, 2013 20:06:14 GMT -5
godot, In my opinion i feel the draft last year was weak in overall depth, after the first 10-20 picks there wasn't much at all left on the board(as there was in 2011). This years draft isn't as top heavy but very deep
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Post by feez732 on May 19, 2013 21:33:26 GMT -5
Everything I heard heading into last years draft was that it was supposed to be one of weakest drafts in years (while the previous year had been one of the strongest).
Also, Buchholz was a college pick. Aside from Lester, I also can't think of many HS pitcher success stories in recent years (for the Sox). Maybe count Casey Kelly too if he wasn't traded away (although he's still a question mark anyways) and there's obviously a number of other guys who are still in the minors.
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Post by sibbysisti on May 20, 2013 7:43:01 GMT -5
Honestly, will Chris Martin ever put up some real era numbers? All zeros is getting boring.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 20, 2013 9:08:01 GMT -5
Webster reminds me of Buchholz a bit. Clay loved trying to strike guys out early on, but struggled as a result of this. Ten e started letting his stuff work for him. Strike out rates dropped but he had excellent stretches of really good success. This year he seems to be putting both together. Webster had success in spring by letting his stuff work in the zone. Perhaps getting hit around has caused him to move back out of it a bit. Hopefully, he's a smart kid and will figure it out. All part of him as an inexperienced pitcher, figuring things out. It's easy from the outside to say what's wrong, he ay even know, but mastering the fix is hard.
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Post by Guidas on May 20, 2013 11:36:33 GMT -5
Webster reminds me of Doubront, although with more hype, and a bit better FB (Doubront occasionally hit 96-97 reportedly, while Webster occasionally hits 98-99, reportedly. I am not anti-Webster, and actually think Doubront is a #3 on most teams in MLB even with his challenged command. And I know Webster is relatively new to pitching and could be fixed through more reps and experience.
My only point is the current frothing hype on Webster is he's a future #1-2 waiting to bloom "if he can only get those pesky control problems addressed" - which can be said about A LOT of prospects MLB-wide over the year. The vast bulk of those guys did not become #1s. However, if the hype is that high on this kid then they should explore dealing him in a package for some true elite talent in an area of need (Profar came to mind, but name a catcher or an elite bat who could also shake loose in a package for a #1 pitcher - Mike Stanton is also a current obsession, hammy aside). Several GMs are drooling over this guy. The Sox should seriously consider moving him unless they are more than 90% certain he will be the elite pitcher his track record to date clearly says he's not. A lot of organizations think they can "fix" guys like Webster. Sometimes it works, but those cases tend to be the exception to the rule.
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Post by mainesox on May 20, 2013 13:17:41 GMT -5
A lefty who sits 91-93 on a straight 4-seam, with a plus changeup and an average curveball, and a righty who sits 94-96 on a sinking fastball, with a plus-plus changeup, and a plus slider? Every pitch Webster throws grades out at least a grade higher than Doubront's corresponding pitch.
I wouldn't be against dealing Webster in the right deal by any means (and if you are particularly concerned about his command problems I could even see looking to deal him while his value is high), I just think comparing him to Doubront to justify trading him is silly.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on May 20, 2013 17:27:39 GMT -5
Webster reminds me of Doubront, although with more hype, and a bit better FB (Doubront occasionally hit 96-97 reportedly, while Webster occasionally hits 98-99, reportedly. I am not anti-Webster, and actually think Doubront is a #3 on most teams in MLB even with his challenged command. And I know Webster is relatively new to pitching and could be fixed through more reps and experience. My only point is the current frothing hype on Webster is he's a future #1-2 waiting to bloom "if he can only get those pesky control problems addressed" - which can be said about A LOT of prospects MLB-wide over the year. The vast bulk of those guys did not become #1s. However, if the hype is that high on this kid then they should explore dealing him in a package for some true elite talent in an area of need (Profar came to mind, but name a catcher or an elite bat who could also shake loose in a package for a #1 pitcher - Mike Stanton is also a current obsession, hammy aside). Several GMs are drooling over this guy. The Sox should seriously consider moving him unless they are more than 90% certain he will be the elite pitcher his track record to date clearly says he's not. A lot of organizations think they can "fix" guys like Webster. Sometimes it works, but those cases tend to be the exception to the rule. Dude, who? How do you know that? You're conflating Boston media/fan hype with industry opinion and I'm not sure why. I absolutely promise you that Webster is not going to land anyone remotely close to Profar or Stanton. Those guys are two of the 5-10 most valuable commodities in baseball, and Webster is a future three who got some nice articles written about him in march because spring training is too long. |
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