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Post by taftreign on Jul 19, 2013 7:44:40 GMT -5
Chicago Cubs fans are going to be real happy with the team Theo is building for them. He is filling the system with some impressive young talent and you know the team is going to start spending money on a few free agents in another year or two to go with it. Would be real fun to see a Cubs & Red Sox World Series filled with a bunch of players drafted by Theo.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2013 9:27:30 GMT -5
I'm just going to beat this drum again. Trade Buchholz ASAP. He is a crumby pitcher who's injury prone. The ERA is a mirage. That is all. Thank you. Prediction. Buccholz doesn't pitch again this season. Red Sox fans need to come to terms with this.
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Post by jdb on Jul 19, 2013 9:37:49 GMT -5
I think he might make a start or two but won't be there down the stretch or post season. We need to hope Lee becomes available and maybe kick the tires on Ervin Santana.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 19, 2013 10:27:01 GMT -5
Rosenthal mentioned Olt might be involved in a Garza to Rangers deal. If that's the kind of return that Theo wants, absolutely forget about the Sox getting him. I hope.
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Post by jdb on Jul 19, 2013 13:44:04 GMT -5
Cafardo tweet
The Red Sox have scouted both Alex Rios and Michael Young in the past week. Will be watching Jake Peavy closely in his next couple of starts
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 19, 2013 13:46:12 GMT -5
Cafardo tweet The Red Sox have scouted both Alex Rios and Michael Young in the past week. Will be watching Jake Peavy closely in his next couple of starts Peavy is interesting. I wish the Young rumors would go away unless they'd take Bard for him.
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Post by rangoon82 on Jul 19, 2013 13:55:28 GMT -5
Sox OF is pretty decent as is. Shane is hurt a lot, sure, but I feel like Rios would make the OF a little crowded.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 19, 2013 13:59:35 GMT -5
Sox OF is pretty decent as is. Shane is hurt a lot, sure, but I feel like Rios would make the OF a little crowded. Yeah especially with Gomes and Carp, unless they could trade one of them.
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Post by rangoon82 on Jul 19, 2013 14:51:36 GMT -5
It just seems weird to me that one of Nava or Victorino probably wouldnt play every night.
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Post by bjb406 on Jul 19, 2013 17:58:06 GMT -5
I think its stupid I can't even point something out about an article someone else posted in the news thread that the original poster didn't mention without is getting deleted.
Anyway, one of the articles said the red sox were more interested in someone like Bud Norris than Garza because he is controlled beyond this year, and I pointed out that the source was a "major league source", therefor not a red sox source, and so it was probably just conjecture. I also questioned the logic behind it considering the number of prospects that would command rotation spots ahead of someone like Bud Norris in the coming seasons; our need for this year is greater than our need for next year, we would just have to turn around and trade away starting pitcher(s) in the offseason.
Also, regarding Buchholz, his ERA is not a mirage. It is lower than his xFIP because of the way he pitches. Buchholz rarely attacks the strike zone preferring to constantly throw stuff with movement on the edges, resulting in less strikeouts but also making it more difficult square up on the ball, which results in fewer hard hit balls and a lower slugging percentage against. So sick of mouth breathers who think xFIP is the be all and end all of pitching statistics when it assumes the only ways to succeed are to have a million k's or a million ground balls.
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Post by curll on Jul 20, 2013 8:16:06 GMT -5
I'd target Drew Smyly. Be it a three-team with PHI and DET to get Papelbon to DET, or a straight swap. Smyly is an astounding pitcher that needs to be in a rotation.
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Post by jdb on Jul 21, 2013 10:58:33 GMT -5
Olney today. I wonder what Peavy would cost? I worry about his fly ball tendencies but he's pitching in a hitters park now. I'd like to keep the top 10 guys but I think I would be willing to talk Ranaudo or WMBs. If Olt is potentially headlining a Garza deal I think WMBs still has value. They were ranked similar going into 2012 and WMBs has actually had a good half a season in the bigs. Olt has a .711 Ops in AAA this year so its not like he's setting the world on fire. insider.espn.go.com/blog/buster-olney/post/_/id/2536/olney-will-early-success-continue-for-red-sox
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 21, 2013 11:09:10 GMT -5
I've always liked Jake Peavy, but that said, the guy has been healthy for one full season out of the last five. That makes me very nervous about dealing much quality for him. He's owed about $15 million next year and I believe he has an option for 2015 that he can accept.
That's alot of money to be on the hook for - for a guy who has trouble staying healthy.
I'm not sure what to make of Ranaudo - he was somebody that was highly touted when the Sox drafted him, he struggled with injuries, and now he seems that he has mostly turned it around (I know he's been a little inconsistent lately) - I would think he'd have more value to the Sox long-term as a potential #2 or #3 starter. I'm not sure I'd want to deal him.
I know Alex Speier (a writer who I think does an excellent job) thinks that the Sox consider Owens among the most untouchable of the pitching group and Ranaudo as among the most tradeable among the pitching group.
I'd prefer Brentz (did he get injured?), Marrero, and a A ball pitching prospect to send to the White Sox, but of course, that really doesn't matter - it's what the White Sox would accept that matters.
Peavy is just a risky pitcher - somebody I can see sitting on the shelf a lot of the time instead of a guy who can be depended upon during big games late in the season and post-season.
I guess it comes down to - if the price is right - and if the Red Sox are willing to assume his financial obligations, then what they send back to Chicago shouldn't be anything too steep.
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Post by jimoh on Jul 21, 2013 11:38:41 GMT -5
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Post by jdb on Jul 21, 2013 12:49:21 GMT -5
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Post by jdb on Jul 21, 2013 13:15:48 GMT -5
Rosenthall tweet
Both #Tigers and #RedSox scouting #Brewers’ Francisco Rodriguez, who threw 93-94 mph on Friday night.
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Post by orcoaster on Jul 21, 2013 13:44:15 GMT -5
K-Rod would be a great fit so long as he's at least a shadow of his former self and not an Eric Gagne-redux. I would hope his potential acquisition would signal a move toward a bullpen by committee rather than the installation of the next closer du jour.
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Post by kman22 on Jul 21, 2013 17:57:06 GMT -5
If the price for Garza is Olt, Edwards, and Ramirez, what would it take for the Red Sox to top that. I'm not saying that they should do that, just more curious what the comp would be.
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Post by jdb on Jul 21, 2013 18:12:18 GMT -5
I think Olt and WMBs are comparable. Both ranked in the 40-55 range going into 2012. WMBs has had Mlb success whle Olt was a top 25 prospect coming into this year. Both are struggling but have potential. Not sure about the Pitchers.
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Post by orcoaster on Jul 21, 2013 18:57:31 GMT -5
As bizarre as it may seem to suggest for a team currently leading the league, I think the RS are sellers today. Bailey is gone. Buchholz is unknown. Lester is unpredictable. This is not a team poised to win the World Series.
But do not despair! This team was never expected to win the WS. We are in the midst of an amazing bridge year, but a bridge year nonetheless. Let's enjoy the ride, cognizant that the ride was always limited and qualified. The bad news is that the future is not now. The good news is that it may be next year. In March we all knew that. Let not our wild over achievement thus far derail our future success.
Let's not turn down any trade that makes us better. But let's not stray from the vision that interprets 2013 as anything but a bridge -- a great bridge to be sure, but a bridge nonetheless.
And that's OK.
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Post by chavopepe2 on Jul 21, 2013 19:26:28 GMT -5
As bizarre as it may seem to suggest for a team currently leading the league, I think the RS are sellers today. Bailey is gone. Buchholz is unknown. Lester is unpredictable. This is not a team poised to win the World Series. But do not despair! This team was never expected to win the WS. We are in the midst of an amazing bridge year, but a bridge year nonetheless. Let's enjoy the ride, cognizant that the ride was always limited and qualified. The bad news is that the future is not now. The good news is that it may be next year. In March we all knew that. Let not our wild over achievement thus far derail our future success. Let's not turn down any trade that makes us better. But let's not stray from the vision that interprets 2013 as anything but a bridge -- a great bridge to be sure, but a bridge nonetheless. And that's OK. You are greatly overestimating the quality of the competition and underrating the issues other teams have if you think the Red Sox can't compete for the AL East championship this year. At that point, you just need to be hot at the right time. We've seen it time-and-again over the years. The best team doesn't always win in a playoff series.
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Post by orcoaster on Jul 21, 2013 19:45:28 GMT -5
As bizarre as it may seem to suggest for a team currently leading the league, I think the RS are sellers today. Bailey is gone. Buchholz is unknown. Lester is unpredictable. This is not a team poised to win the World Series. But do not despair! This team was never expected to win the WS. We are in the midst of an amazing bridge year, but a bridge year nonetheless. Let's enjoy the ride, cognizant that the ride was always limited and qualified. The bad news is that the future is not now. The good news is that it may be next year. In March we all knew that. Let not our wild over achievement thus far derail our future success. Let's not turn down any trade that makes us better. But let's not stray from the vision that interprets 2013 as anything but a bridge -- a great bridge to be sure, but a bridge nonetheless. And that's OK. Of course the RS could win the WS. The Impossible Dream is always a possibility. But how likely is that dream? With nothing from Bailey, little from Buchholtz, and who knows? from Lester, that Impossible Dream seems more impossible. But given our March expectations for this team, we should be very pleased at where we are. Sure, the team could get hot. How do you propose we make that happen? Several other teams could get hot too. One of them will. How much are you willing to bet it is us this year given our #1 and #2 pitchers are either not pitching or not pitching well and our bullpen is a couple arms short of a militia? Come September, we may be happy to qualify for the wild card. If that's the case, this season is still a success -- so long as we didn't GFIN.
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Post by chavopepe2 on Jul 21, 2013 19:51:13 GMT -5
You are greatly overestimating the quality of the competition if you think it would take an Impossible Dream scenario for this team to win the world series. There may be better teams in the league, but they aren't much better and their odds of winning a World Series aren't that much greater. There aren't the great teams this year that clearly have better odds than everyone else.
The idea that the Red Sox are sellers is absolutely not true. I agree that they shouldn't sell the farm for a marginal upgrade, but they will absolutely look to improve the team this year. In fact, they already have with the smaller trade of Jacobs for Thornton. If they were sellers they would be doing the total opposite of trades like that.
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Post by jdb on Jul 22, 2013 11:36:15 GMT -5
Anybody think Carlos Ruiz would come cheap? He's hit LHPing pretty good for his career and this year, .800 OPS. He'd help in that regard and is pretty good behind the plate. It's good to see Gomes turning it around and if Napoli turns the corner I feel fine about the lineup even with Iggy at 3B but even Xander or WMBs could help too.
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Post by taftreign on Jul 22, 2013 14:04:41 GMT -5
If only Chase Utley could handle 3rd base as well he would be a nice offensive rental bat which would allow Iglesias to swing between 3rd and SS giving extra rest to Drew and I suppose Utley for that matter. We can dream hypotheticals though right?
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