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Post by okin15 on Jun 5, 2013 14:33:42 GMT -5
We'll need a RF too, with Nava and Bradley the only guys you'd say have a long term starting spot locked up for 2014. Then you're choosing amongst Hassan, Carp, Gomes, Victorino, Brentz and Kalish for the 3rd-5th spots (plus backup 1B). Of course, they could re-sign Ells and slide Bradley over. Not saying he'd make the opening day start there, but could be in an Iglesias/Bradley/Lavarnway/Webster situation pretty quick next year at 3rd, SS or RF if they're comfortable with his defense at those spots.
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Post by rdsxmbnt on Jun 5, 2013 15:49:21 GMT -5
That spot is definitely Victorino's. They have 2 years and 26mil still invested in him after this year. Have to think he's the guy going forward.
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Post by bluechip on Jun 5, 2013 19:13:42 GMT -5
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 6, 2013 1:26:00 GMT -5
These kinds of things have a way of working themselves out.
But for Iglesias playing OF, no way. That's taking away the advantage of the most impressive release from glove to leaving his fingers I may have ever seen and turning it into an almost useless skill.
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Post by terriblehondo on Jun 7, 2013 5:23:02 GMT -5
This is the first time I have really watched him play. I want to know from someone that has seen him coming through the minors is this the same guy that was hitting .200? I have seen nothing in his at bats or swing they say he will not hit. He has not chased and he has a quick swing. Has anything changed?
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Post by bighead on Jun 9, 2013 12:22:06 GMT -5
Is Iglesias' newly found plate discipline for real or is this a mirage? I watched one of his ABs recently and he seemed to have a legit approach at the plate.
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Post by jmei on Jun 9, 2013 12:30:46 GMT -5
He's certainly taking more pitches-- Speier notes that he had averaged 3.43 pitches/PA entering the year but is averaging 3.92 pitches/PA this year, which is slightly above league average. He's also trimmed his strikeout rate from 20.8% last year to 13.9% this year, which is more important to me than his walk rate since he'll probably always have to rely on making contact given his below-average power. He's certainly impressed so far, and now it's a question of how much of that is sustainable.
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Post by welovewally on Jun 9, 2013 13:06:46 GMT -5
I recall last year that there was a lot of call for him to be brought up to play even though he clearly wasn't ready. He is showing now that he is clearly a better option then Ciriaco. Keep him up and let him continue to earn his playing time
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Post by soxcentral on Jun 9, 2013 13:32:15 GMT -5
We are quickly moving into the late June-July trade season and I expect this will all get sorted out eventually, but not soon. Trade options, WMB's progress, and Iglesias' ability to sustain what he's been doing to some extent are all factors in what will ultimately be decided, and all are fluid. Ciriaco may have a role as a 3rd man in for a trade (Nick Punto level) and I don't think will be just dumped now without a good reason to rush the process. It's the safest move in case of injury to any of the 4 (Iglesias, Ciriaco, Drew, WMB) while allowing for maximal evaluation time on the two younger players who have serious questions at the plate.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 9, 2013 17:29:39 GMT -5
I'm totally amazed to be posting this, but Iglesias has been an absolute monster at the plate.
He's had smart at times grinding ABs. I know he must have struck some sort of deal with the BABIP gods but not all of his contact has been soft, and he hardly strikes out so he gives the BABIP gods plenty of opportunity.
I guess I'm amazed that I'd ever do a post praising Iglesias's offense at all or ever.
At this point, I think the Sox have to find a way to do a three way semi-platoon system to keep WMB when he comes back, Drew, and Iglesias all sharp and somehow maximize their utilization to their greatest advantage. Honestly toward that end, I'd prefer to see Drew man 3b and Iglesias play SS.
I don't sweat losing Ciriaco at all, especially with Brock Holt starting to hit the way we thought he would.
At worst Iglesias reverts back to be Pokey Reese and he becomes an excellent late inning defensive sub, but despite the smallish sample size, I can't help but wonder if he'll be that very rare somebody who is so much better in the majors than he is the minors - somebody who can ping the ball at a .270 BA, a .300 OBP, a .350ish slugging AVG, and with amazing defense, which would make him an asset.
Again, I'm amazed to be posting this. I honestly thought the guy would be the second coming of Ray Oyler. Even if he reverts to his non-hitting ways, I just wanted to praise his approach at the plate right now. Mr. 2 hits a day at the bottom of the order. Wow.
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Post by ray88h66 on Jun 9, 2013 21:09:21 GMT -5
I recall last year that there was a lot of call for him to be brought up to play even though he clearly wasn't ready. He is showing now that he is clearly a better option then Ciriaco. Keep him up and let him continue to earn his playing time[/b] Sounds good to me. |
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Jun 9, 2013 21:17:54 GMT -5
At this point, Iglesias deserves to be an everyday player.
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Post by bluechip on Jun 9, 2013 23:18:28 GMT -5
For what its worth, in 22 games, Iglesias has a 1.5 Fangraphs WAR, good for 4th on the team.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jun 9, 2013 23:35:37 GMT -5
For what its worth, in 22 games, Iglesias has a 1.5 Fangraphs WAR, good for 4th on the team. It's not worth much. |
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jun 10, 2013 12:08:29 GMT -5
If someone would eat most of Drews contract and give you a C or B contract. Would anyone here be comfortable with Iggy starting everyday? I know the answer to that defensively.
If that happens.....then what happens if Middlebrooks or Iggy goes down?
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Post by okin15 on Jun 10, 2013 12:20:34 GMT -5
What do you gain from this that you don't gain from just sitting Drew and Brooksy a couple days a week? For a strong team like this, protecting against injury right through to the end is crucial. No need to subtract from the team.
Plus, Drew has more value to us than to another team because a) we don't care about money and b) we may well give him a qualifying offer. You have to be blown away with the offer, or have Xander crush AAA pitching before you hand him DREW over.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 10, 2013 13:13:49 GMT -5
Cafardo reporting on Twitter that Middlebrooks is in the posted Red Sox batting order tonight, hitting 8th, and that Ciriaco is the "odd man out." I'm assuming that means he's going to be DFA.
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Post by welovewally on Jun 10, 2013 13:45:18 GMT -5
Cafardo reporting on Twitter that Middlebrooks is in the posted Red Sox batting order tonight, hitting 8th, and that Ciriaco is the "odd man out." I'm assuming that means he's going to be DFA. That's the right move by the Club. |
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Post by danr on Jun 10, 2013 14:15:43 GMT -5
Globe says Ciriaco DFA'd and Iglesias may platoon with Drew.
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Jun 10, 2013 14:29:22 GMT -5
Am I the only one that doesn't like the fact that we are sitting a guy who is on a 13 game hitting streak while playing stellar defense at 3B?
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Post by danr on Jun 10, 2013 14:38:14 GMT -5
From ESPN this afternoon: "While Drew brings superior defensive skills, the offensive skills of Iglesias are just too big to ignore."
I guess this is what happens when you hit .448. They forget about your fielding.
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Post by mainesox on Jun 10, 2013 14:44:09 GMT -5
From ESPN this afternoon: "While Drew brings superior defensive skills, the offensive skills of Iglesias are just too big to ignore." I guess this is what happens when you hit .448. They forget about your fielding. That's shockingly bad, even for ESPN. |
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Post by okin15 on Jun 10, 2013 14:55:20 GMT -5
Am I the only one that doesn't like the fact that we are sitting a guy who is on a 13 game hitting streak while playing stellar defense at 3B? No, but do you want Middlebrooks to get over the hump and become an all-star 3B or not? Is there a question that his offensive (and therefore 3B) ceiling is higher than Iglesias'? Assuming no, then I'm willing to sacrifice a run or two today to produce a bunch over the next few years. Never underestimate the importance of politics/egos/mentality, etc. ADD: Plus, this is basically the punishment that Iglesias deserved for moping along in AAA last month. If he'd hit there like he has here, then he'd probably have the goodwill AND track record to supplant one of WMB or Drew. Kid has got to prove his dedication -- not just his BABIP -- before the Sox give him a position for good. This game is a grind, and he's got to be prepared to work through that. |
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Jun 10, 2013 15:06:03 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but I don't see Middlebrooks ever becoming an All-Star 3B, that's a gigantic reach. If I were Farrell, I would've kept WMB at AAA until he showed that he has some momentum (which is what he said he was going to do) and have him called-up when he's hot, like we did last year.
So far this year Middlebrooks has hit 201/.234/.408 and has put up a -0.6 fWAR. He's also put up a 3.8 BB% compared to a 29.2 K%, seriously? Take away that one game in Toronto where he went bonkers and his numbers would look even worse. Maybe it's just me, but sitting the guy who is hot with a 13 game hitting streak in favor for the guy who looks to be a sure out every time he comes up to bat is not smart.
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Post by grandsalami on Jun 10, 2013 15:13:32 GMT -5
Evan Drellich ?@evandrellich12s
Jose Iglesias said John Farrell told him he may play 3-4 times a week. Happy to still be here, naturally. Says he likes third base.
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