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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Nov 26, 2015 1:07:43 GMT -5
You like the 3-4 of Manny and ortiz? That's about 4 positive tests right there.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 26, 2015 9:30:56 GMT -5
I don't care about the positive tests from any perspective than it makes me question is breakdowns and loss of production. I'd pass on Braun unless it were basically a salary dump and players like Castillo or even Marrero.
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Nov 26, 2015 13:15:58 GMT -5
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Post by larrycook on Nov 26, 2015 13:15:58 GMT -5
I would love to see a healthy braun in our lineup next year, if we can get price signed.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 27, 2015 4:47:02 GMT -5
With the Brewers in need of a rebuild - I wonder if this would once again be an option. But I'm not really sure what the value would be at this point. Maybe Rusney Castillo and Marco Hernandez for Braun? Brewers lose $37 million of payroll over the next 5 years, get younger in the OF and get competition for Segura Red Sox improve the offense/team and can hide much of Brauns shortcomings in LF. I'm assuming the Red Sox blow past the luxury tax anyway. Hasn't been discussed in a while - so just throwing it out there. (Braun would have to pass a physical after offseason back surgery of course) HAHA. They would have to think Castillo was a future stud for that to make sense. Only saving 37 million is not even close to enough. Would need to add in a few very good prospects to make that work.
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Post by jmei on May 3, 2016 14:11:03 GMT -5
Dave Cameron at Fangraphs posted an article on potential Braun trade partners, and the Red Sox came up: www.fangraphs.com/blogs/finding-a-trade-partner-for-ryan-braun/I don't think the Red Sox would be interested in Lucroy, but I think a Castillo and prospects for Braun trade might make sense. Braun could strengthen LF this year and move to DH next year, and I have no issue with buying low on PED guys (thought others may disagree). The Brewers don't really have a center fielder (their CF playing time this year has gone to a hodgepodge of JAGs, and while they have a good prospect in Brett Phillips in the wings, he's probably a year away), so Castillo might actually interest them. The biggest hangup is what additional prospect value the Red Sox would have to give up. Braun is owed $95m through 2020, and once you take into account inflation, that might even be below-market (if Braun were a free agent last offseason, as a 32-year-old coming off a three win season, he might have gotten something around five and $95m, and he's had a hot start to this season). If Castillo's in the deal to offset Braun's contract, the Brewers will want real prospect value. I'm not giving up the top four, but I could be talked into giving up, say, two of Travis, Kopech, Johnson or Chavis. Will that be enough for the Brewers? My sense is probably not, in which case there's not a match. ADD: the other interesting potential trade piece is Swihart. He should be as valuable than the top 4 (if not moreso), but he also seems like their most expendable high-end trade piece (Benintendi might be useful to the major league team as soon as this summer, Moncada/Espinoza have ceilings that are too high, don't want to sell low on Devers). There is a scenario where I'd consider giving him up if the Brewers take back substantially all of Sandoval's contract or eat substantially all of Braun's contract, but even then, it'd be effectively selling a high-end prospect for payroll space, and I don't know how I feel about the Red Sox doing that.
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Post by jimed14 on May 3, 2016 15:00:42 GMT -5
Dave Cameron at Fangraphs posted an article on potential Braun trade partners, and the Red Sox came up: www.fangraphs.com/blogs/finding-a-trade-partner-for-ryan-braun/I don't think the Red Sox would be interested in Lucroy, but I think a Castillo and prospects for Braun trade might make sense. Braun could strengthen LF this year and move to DH next year, and I have no issue with buying low on PED guys (thought others may disagree). The Brewers don't really have a center fielder (their CF playing time this year has gone to a hodgepodge of JAGs, and while they have a good prospect in Brett Phillips in the wings, he's probably a year away), so Castillo might actually interest them. The biggest hangup is what additional prospect value the Red Sox would have to give up. Braun is owed $95m through 2020, and once you take into account inflation, that might even be below-market (if Braun were a free agent last offseason, as a 32-year-old coming off a three win season, he might have gotten something around five and $95m, and he's had a hot start to this season). If Castillo's in the deal to offset Braun's contract, the Brewers will want real prospect value. I'm not giving up the top four, but I could be talked into giving up, say, two of Travis, Kopech, Johnson or Chavis. Will that be enough for the Brewers? My sense is probably not, in which case there's not a match. ADD: the other interesting potential trade piece is Swihart. He should be as valuable than the top 4 (if not moreso), but he also seems like their most expendable high-end trade piece (Benintendi might be useful to the major league team as soon as this summer, Moncada/Espinoza have ceilings that are too high, don't want to sell low on Devers). There is a scenario where I'd consider giving him up if the Brewers take back substantially all of Sandoval's contract or eat substantially all of Braun's contract, but even then, it'd be effectively selling a high-end prospect for payroll space, and I don't know how I feel about the Red Sox doing that. Considering how many 25 man roster spots are being filled by cheap controlled players with several more on the way, I don't see any need to dump salary because I don't really see where they could spend it wisely. There is plenty of money for Mookie and Xander extensions. I'd much rather just eat the money because we don't need to spend it at this time. The prospects are much more valuable right now and you can't buy them anymore. They're better off spending money to lessen the prospect costs in any trade - i.e. taking on someone like Sandoval or Upton, etc and just sending them home.
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Post by telson13 on May 3, 2016 16:12:59 GMT -5
I don't like the idea of a multiple steroid offender, who bald-faced lied his *ss off repeatedly, on a team of young players. Especially not next year when Papi's gone. Character matters.
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Post by wcsoxfan on May 3, 2016 16:14:28 GMT -5
Dave Cameron at Fangraphs posted an article on potential Braun trade partners, and the Red Sox came up: www.fangraphs.com/blogs/finding-a-trade-partner-for-ryan-braun/I don't think the Red Sox would be interested in Lucroy, but I think a Castillo and prospects for Braun trade might make sense. Braun could strengthen LF this year and move to DH next year, and I have no issue with buying low on PED guys (thought others may disagree). The Brewers don't really have a center fielder (their CF playing time this year has gone to a hodgepodge of JAGs, and while they have a good prospect in Brett Phillips in the wings, he's probably a year away), so Castillo might actually interest them. The biggest hangup is what additional prospect value the Red Sox would have to give up. Braun is owed $95m through 2020, and once you take into account inflation, that might even be below-market (if Braun were a free agent last offseason, as a 32-year-old coming off a three win season, he might have gotten something around five and $95m, and he's had a hot start to this season). If Castillo's in the deal to offset Braun's contract, the Brewers will want real prospect value. I'm not giving up the top four, but I could be talked into giving up, say, two of Travis, Kopech, Johnson or Chavis. Will that be enough for the Brewers? My sense is probably not, in which case there's not a match. ADD: the other interesting potential trade piece is Swihart. He should be as valuable than the top 4 (if not moreso), but he also seems like their most expendable high-end trade piece (Benintendi might be useful to the major league team as soon as this summer, Moncada/Espinoza have ceilings that are too high, don't want to sell low on Devers). There is a scenario where I'd consider giving him up if the Brewers take back substantially all of Sandoval's contract or eat substantially all of Braun's contract, but even then, it'd be effectively selling a high-end prospect for payroll space, and I don't know how I feel about the Red Sox doing that. I agree that Swihart is too much to give up with Castillo alone for Braun. But if they would take Pablo at a reduced contract then sign me up. Keep in mind that this would fix two concerns: 1. Improved bat in LF 2. LH bat off the bench (Holt) It would have been nice if the Red Sox had made this deal in the offseason as Rusney's stock has gone down while Braun's has gone up.
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Post by nomar on May 4, 2016 8:28:20 GMT -5
Considering his contract, I think it would likely make more sense to give up a draft pick and sign Bautista this offseason than trade a good prospect to get Braun. Maybe I would be willing to trade Owens+, but not Swihart.
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Post by sox fan in nc on May 4, 2016 8:38:03 GMT -5
Swihart feels like our Hamels. We seem to be committed to Vazquez. BS is a 50 caliber bullet & we have to be careful on who we can get for him. I would prefer a #2 over Braun (with adding piece or pieces). We'll see at the deadline when teams throw in their white flag (Gerrit Cole/Sonny Gray/Salazar/Garrett Richards, ect). A lot will depend on how BS does in Pawtucket.
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Post by jdb on May 7, 2016 12:34:10 GMT -5
I think we could upgrade LF and our bench with Holt going back to a utility role but I see a Matt Kemp as more realistic. Braun has about 4 years and 80 left including his buyout while SD owes Kemp about $55 million the next three years after LA picks up their portion. The only way I'd consider either is if they trust Hanley enough to play first for the rest of his contract so we could slide a Bruan or Kemp to DH. We have Benintendi and even Moncada possibly profiling in the OF.
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Post by chavopepe2 on May 7, 2016 18:06:02 GMT -5
The Red Sox will be in a tough spot this summer trying to get deals done with prospects. The top four are too good to move and everyone after them isn't good enough.
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Post by soxfanatic on May 11, 2016 9:13:05 GMT -5
The Red Sox will be in a tough spot this summer trying to get deals done with prospects. The top four are too good to move and everyone after them isn't good enough. Plus teams will always hold out for more.
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Post by radiohix on May 11, 2016 12:44:40 GMT -5
I'll do a Sandoval-Swihart for Braun trade because I'm not a believer in BS being an above avg bat but I don't think the Brrewers would accept doing it.
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Post by jimed14 on May 11, 2016 17:37:18 GMT -5
The Red Sox will be in a tough spot this summer trying to get deals done with prospects. The top four are too good to move and everyone after them isn't good enough. That's the worst part about the Kimbrel trade.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 11, 2016 22:58:51 GMT -5
Dave Cameron at Fangraphs posted an article on potential Braun trade partners, and the Red Sox came up: www.fangraphs.com/blogs/finding-a-trade-partner-for-ryan-braun/I don't think the Red Sox would be interested in Lucroy, but I think a Castillo and prospects for Braun trade might make sense. Braun could strengthen LF this year and move to DH next year, and I have no issue with buying low on PED guys (thought others may disagree). The Brewers don't really have a center fielder (their CF playing time this year has gone to a hodgepodge of JAGs, and while they have a good prospect in Brett Phillips in the wings, he's probably a year away), so Castillo might actually interest them. The biggest hangup is what additional prospect value the Red Sox would have to give up. Braun is owed $95m through 2020, and once you take into account inflation, that might even be below-market (if Braun were a free agent last offseason, as a 32-year-old coming off a three win season, he might have gotten something around five and $95m, and he's had a hot start to this season). If Castillo's in the deal to offset Braun's contract, the Brewers will want real prospect value. I'm not giving up the top four, but I could be talked into giving up, say, two of Travis, Kopech, Johnson or Chavis. Will that be enough for the Brewers? My sense is probably not, in which case there's not a match. ADD: the other interesting potential trade piece is Swihart. He should be as valuable than the top 4 (if not moreso), but he also seems like their most expendable high-end trade piece (Benintendi might be useful to the major league team as soon as this summer, Moncada/Espinoza have ceilings that are too high, don't want to sell low on Devers). There is a scenario where I'd consider giving him up if the Brewers take back substantially all of Sandoval's contract or eat substantially all of Braun's contract, but even then, it'd be effectively selling a high-end prospect for payroll space, and I don't know how I feel about the Red Sox doing that. First off congrats your willing to give up prospects to help the current team. Not a bad idea, just think pitching is going to be a bigger need. Also not a big fan of adding a big money player that is just about to enter the age were they start to decline. Not for two of Travis, Kopech, Johnson and Chavis or Swihart.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 26, 2018 10:50:06 GMT -5
Does anyone else thinks that there is a realistic shot of the Sox getting Braun? Like I said in the non Sox thread, the Sox could trade Hanley and a marginal prospect. The Sox could just trade Porcello. www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/01/brewers-trade-rumors-domingo-santana-keon-broxton.htmlThe Brewers are pursuing rotation help, so the Porcello for Braun idea could actually be a feasible option for the Brewers. There's a million different ways the Sox can go after a Braun move and fills a need.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 11:06:09 GMT -5
This warnings reports were the Brewers run to keep Ryan Braun and Planet first base which he's never played a game there.And Hanley has played one season at first base.So maybe the Sox could package Hanley and a pitching Prospect between the number 10 ranked and the number 20 Prospect in the Sox prospects rankings.But the Brewers would probably want something more in order to take Hanley's contract.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 11:07:18 GMT -5
This warnings reports were the Brewers run to keep Ryan Braun and Planet first base which he's never played a game there.And Hanley has played one season at first base.So maybe the Sox could package Hanley and a pitching Prospect between the number 10 ranked and the number 20 Prospect in the Sox prospects rankings.But the Brewers would probably want something more in order to take Hanley's contract. Edit.This MORNING reports
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 26, 2018 12:59:25 GMT -5
I have no interest in Braun and the 3 years left on his contract at age 34 when he looks like he's in decline. There's no guarantee he's better than Hanley this year. Don't even think I'd take him for free, let alone give up anything for him.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 26, 2018 13:10:12 GMT -5
I have no interest in Braun and the 3 years left on his contract at age 34 when he looks like he's in decline. There's no guarantee he's better than Hanley this year. Don't even think I'd take him for free, let alone give up anything for him. He would be a DH only though and wouldn't cost all that much in a trade. He has outproduced Hanley in each of the last three years- Hanley- 2015- wRC+ 90 OPS+ 89 2016- wRC+ 128 OPS+ 126 2017- wRC+ 93 OPS+ 95 Braun- 2015- wRC+ 131 OPS+ 131 2016- wRC+ 134 OPS+ 135 2017- wRC+ 110 OPS+ 111 There's no doubt that Braun is a much better hitter than Hanley at this point.
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 26, 2018 13:14:33 GMT -5
I have no interest in Braun and the 3 years left on his contract at age 34 when he looks like he's in decline. There's no guarantee he's better than Hanley this year. Don't even think I'd take him for free, let alone give up anything for him. He would be a DH only though and wouldn't cost all that much in a trade. He has outproduced Hanley in each of the last three years- Hanley- 2015- wRC+ 90 OPS+ 89 2016- wRC+ 128 OPS+ 126 2017- wRC+ 93 OPS+ 95 Braun- 2015- wRC+ 131 OPS+ 131 2016- wRC+ 134 OPS+ 135 2017- wRC+ 110 OPS+ 111 There's no doubt that Braun is a much better hitter than Hanley at this point. I don't care. Hanley has 1 year and Braun has 3. Unless they're throwing in $40 million and we don't have to give up prospects, zero interest.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 26, 2018 13:19:51 GMT -5
He would be a DH only though and wouldn't cost all that much in a trade. He has outproduced Hanley in each of the last three years- Hanley- 2015- wRC+ 90 OPS+ 89 2016- wRC+ 128 OPS+ 126 2017- wRC+ 93 OPS+ 95 Braun- 2015- wRC+ 131 OPS+ 131 2016- wRC+ 134 OPS+ 135 2017- wRC+ 110 OPS+ 111 There's no doubt that Braun is a much better hitter than Hanley at this point. I don't care. Hanley has 1 year and Braun has 3. Unless they're throwing in $40 million and we don't have to give up prospects, zero interest. If the Brewers took on Hanley, you're oweing an extra 33 million. An extra 2 years at around 33 million isn't a good gamble? The guy can clearly still hit.
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Post by James Dunne on Jan 26, 2018 13:21:22 GMT -5
Braun would almost certainly require a team to pick up his option (2021 season) to waive his 10/5 rights.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 26, 2018 13:25:09 GMT -5
Braun would almost certainly require a team to pick up his option (2021 season) to waive his 10/5 rights. I would have the Brewers pay for a large portion of that, if that was the case (at least 10-12 million of it).
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