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Post by larrycook on Jun 4, 2013 7:22:21 GMT -5
Should the Sox make a run at the Brewers for Ryan Braun?
The Brewers are going nowhere fast. Braun is hitting .294 with nine taters and 35 RBI.
We could send them a package of Webster, Renauldo,Workman and Brentz.
A lineup of:
Ellsbury Victorino/Nava/Ghomes Pedroia Ortiz Bruan Napoli Middlebrooks Salty/Ross Iggy/Drew
is not too bad!
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Post by jmei on Jun 4, 2013 7:29:44 GMT -5
Braun is signed through 2020. There's no chance the Brewers are even taking calls on him, especially since he's affordable through 2015. Here's his salary structure:
13:$8.5M, 14:$10M, 15:$12M, 16:$19M, 17:$19M, 18:$19M, 19:$18M, 20:$16M, 21:$15M mutual option ($4M buyout)
Like I said, no chance he is available. None. Zero. The Brewers are committed to him in the long-term, and his contract isn't even a Rodriguez-level albatross.
And even if he is available, that package won't be close to getting it done.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 4, 2013 8:11:00 GMT -5
Plus, why do we want a known road user on that type of contract?
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Post by welovewally on Jun 4, 2013 9:08:28 GMT -5
Hey I'd love to get him but it ain't happening. Aramis Ramirez on the other hand.....
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 4, 2013 10:27:26 GMT -5
Plus, why do we want a known road user on that type of contract? The Red Sox did pretty well with Manny. If the Red Sox called today and offered Bogaerts and Buchholz, the Brewers might at least consider it, but I wouldn't guarantee it. Braun is a future Hall of Famer still in his prime. The Brewers signed Braun to a long, team-friendly deal to be the cornerstone of their franchise for a decade. He's been below his normal standard this year, which means he's only hitting .294/.372/.518. There's a greater likelihood of Braun still being a Brewer when every single player currently in the Red Sox organization has left the team than of being able to work out a trade for him. If Bogaerts makes the Red Sox out of spring training next season (something I'd give about a one in three chance of), he'll have fewer years of team control than Braun.
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Post by jrffam05 on Jun 4, 2013 13:36:12 GMT -5
Ryan Braun might be in the top 10 players who are "not available"
Unless something crazy happens like he has a PED suspension, plays bad upon his return, and starts badmouthing teammates and managers I don't see them moving him.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2013 19:29:46 GMT -5
Braun currently faces a potential 100 game suspension for PEDs. He is very talented, but I will pass.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 5, 2013 0:36:44 GMT -5
The irony here is fantastic.
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Post by nomar on Jun 5, 2013 1:00:28 GMT -5
This thread started stupidly and ended somehow worse.
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Post by redsox1534 on Jun 10, 2013 8:32:34 GMT -5
Id take Braun hes been my favorite Hitter or in the top 3 not on the Sox for ever and I dont believe the Steroids crap. He aint been proven guilty. I no I aint followed the roids stuff like some but I no some guys have been suspended for performance in hancing drugs that are really just ever day things people use to go to the gym or just use in life an some of them are enhancing you like a steroid and theres no comparison.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 10, 2013 8:33:18 GMT -5
Plus, why do we want a known road user on that type of contract? The Red Sox did pretty well with Manny. If the Red Sox called today and offered Bogaerts and Buchholz, the Brewers might at least consider it, but I wouldn't guarantee it. Braun is a future Hall of Famer still in his prime. The Brewers signed Braun to a long, team-friendly deal to be the cornerstone of their franchise for a decade. He's been below his normal standard this year, which means he's only hitting .294/.372/.518. There's a greater likelihood of Braun still being a Brewer when every single player currently in the Red Sox organization has left the team than of being able to work out a trade for him. If Bogaerts makes the Red Sox out of spring training next season (something I'd give about a one in three chance of), he'll have fewer years of team control than Braun. Completely different situations. I have no real issues with Steroids other than losing a player to suspension ( not an issue with Manny) or his production dropping off. As for the years of control with Braun, you say that as a good thing whereas I look at his contract as a negative. The guy is in his prime, great. Also having his worst season, coincidence that it comes a little after he was caught? Granted his worst season is damn good, which is great but there is too much risk involved - its not necessary. Between the roids, possible suspensions ( even ignoring current rumor), unknown regarding how much of his production is/was PED related,, the contract and cost in prospects it'd be a foolish investment.
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Post by jdb on Jul 22, 2013 18:46:00 GMT -5
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Post by orcoaster on Jul 22, 2013 19:21:42 GMT -5
Braun is not available -- for the rest of the season. He was suspended today.
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Post by tjb21 on Jul 24, 2013 14:49:39 GMT -5
Id take Braun hes been my favorite Hitter or in the top 3 not on the Sox for ever and I dont believe the Steroids crap. He aint been proven guilty. I no I aint followed the roids stuff like some but I no some guys have been suspended for performance in hancing drugs that are really just ever day things people use to go to the gym or just use in life an some of them are enhancing you like a steroid and theres no comparison. Oh.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 25, 2013 11:15:52 GMT -5
Id take Braun hes been my favorite Hitter or in the top 3 not on the Sox for ever and I dont believe the Steroids crap. He aint been proven guilty. I no I aint followed the roids stuff like some but I no some guys have been suspended for performance in hancing drugs that are really just ever day things people use to go to the gym or just use in life an some of them are enhancing you like a steroid and theres no comparison. It baffled me when this was written. He was proven guilty the first time around. He got off on a technicality and the fact that people bought into him not being a roid user as a result of the technicality is nothing short of amazing to me.
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Post by jdb on Nov 9, 2013 13:38:37 GMT -5
Just wondering how you all would feel about Braun now? After everything that happened maybe the Brewers would want to just cut ties with him. In my mind he might have less red flags than Stanton.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 9, 2013 15:26:06 GMT -5
I hate him
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Post by bmitchsox on Nov 9, 2013 15:33:49 GMT -5
Just wondering how you all would feel about Braun now? After everything that happened maybe the Brewers would want to just cut ties with him. In my mind he might have less red flags than Stanton. I'd love them to take a shot at him. I wouldn't give up much for him considering how much money he's owed/PED use/potential decline. I'd offer Brentz and Hassan, but really not too much more. He's definitely a big risk.
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Post by mattpicard on Nov 9, 2013 15:40:21 GMT -5
Just wondering how you all would feel about Braun now? After everything that happened maybe the Brewers would want to just cut ties with him. In my mind he might have less red flags than Stanton. His monster extension kicks in in 2016 and spans 5 seasons for a total of $105m. Love Braun's bat, but he turns 30 next week and could be entering a serious decline phase regardless of the PED impact. Now if the Brewers cover about 25% of that deal, then it's a different story, but they may be well served by seeing how he rebounds in 2014 (both for trade value reasons and helping their offense).
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Nov 9, 2013 16:36:28 GMT -5
Ignore all the PED stuff. You're still talking about a long, expensive contract for an old left fielder. And if the Red Sox are going to pay a premium for talent, it should be at a position like shortstop or catcher where options are limited. You can get solid production in left field out of guys like Gomes and Carp, but it's much harder to fake it at up-the-middle positions.
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Post by jdb on Nov 29, 2013 12:46:22 GMT -5
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Post by p23w on Nov 30, 2013 14:22:26 GMT -5
From a needs and stats perspective I think Braun would be an excellent addition going forward. From a fan/PR perspective... not so much, or as my NYY Lady observed you just miss all the ARod attention. Yeah, right.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Nov 25, 2015 16:39:50 GMT -5
With the Brewers in need of a rebuild - I wonder if this would once again be an option.
But I'm not really sure what the value would be at this point.
Maybe Rusney Castillo and Marco Hernandez for Braun?
Brewers lose $37 million of payroll over the next 5 years, get younger in the OF and get competition for Segura
Red Sox improve the offense/team and can hide much of Brauns shortcomings in LF. I'm assuming the Red Sox blow past the luxury tax anyway.
Hasn't been discussed in a while - so just throwing it out there. (Braun would have to pass a physical after offseason back surgery of course)
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Nov 25, 2015 19:12:39 GMT -5
With the Brewers in need of a rebuild - I wonder if this would once again be an option. But I'm not really sure what the value would be at this point. Maybe Rusney Castillo and Marco Hernandez for Braun? Brewers lose $37 million of payroll over the next 5 years, get younger in the OF and get competition for Segura Red Sox improve the offense/team and can hide much of Brauns shortcomings in LF. I'm assuming the Red Sox blow past the luxury tax anyway. Hasn't been discussed in a while - so just throwing it out there. (Braun would have to pass a physical after offseason back surgery of course) I'd probably try to make it a larger deal and get one of Smith, Jeffress, Blazek to round out the pen. Think they'd need more than Castillo and Hernandez though (even for Braun). They'd be losing some big time star power.
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Post by telson13 on Nov 25, 2015 23:09:55 GMT -5
I don't want a two-time proven steroid user (and if you think about DUI arrests and how often those people drive under the influence for each time caught, you get an idea of what a chronic cheater Braun is) on my team. He sucks as a person and soon, as a ball player.
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