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2013 MLB Draft Day 2 Discussion Thread
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Post by templeusox on Jun 7, 2013 10:08:30 GMT -5
Trey Michalczewski or bust.
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Post by taftreign on Jun 7, 2013 10:10:39 GMT -5
If the money can work out and there available I would love to see our next three picks go:
Jon Denney C at 81 Trey Michalczewski at 113 Ivan Wilson at 143
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Post by edwardcc on Jun 7, 2013 10:13:12 GMT -5
I'd like to see them get Wahl. That's who I want. Wahl is underrated.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Jun 7, 2013 10:17:30 GMT -5
I like the strategy idea of drafting/acquiring lots of young pitchers. With the volatility of pitching, some will get hurt, some will bust, some will also return into bullpen pitchers. Others will turn into solid MLB starters. And maybe one or two turns into a true top of the rotation starter. Young pitching is the most valuable commodity in baseball. I am not saying that is the strategy the Red Sox have been employing the last couple of years, but it is a viable strategy. I think if you look at the broader context, I think it's even clearer that that's the strategy the Sox have been employing. With the exception of trading away Stolmy, almost all of their moves have added pitching to the system, especially power arms. They used Nick Punto and the other pieces of that trade to get Webster, RDLR, and a couple of position players that they unloaded pretty quickly. They held onto most of their existing pitching like Britton, etc. They even picked up Wright ... I've mentioned this before ... everyone says they like young pitching, but I think Cherington has been notable for how much he's focused on this.
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Post by bluechip on Jun 7, 2013 10:18:04 GMT -5
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Post by sammo420 on Jun 7, 2013 10:18:28 GMT -5
I like the idea of turning a surplus of arms into a solid A+/AA level bat, but sadly, prospect trades just don't happen. But if Ball is any good, an Owens/Barnes package for a MLB 1B wouldn't really kill the system's pitching. Early last year (before we knew Owens was any good, when Ranaudo was potentially a bust, before RDLR/Webster etc), that looked like an impossibility. All the pitching depth allows us to make a trade similar to the Wil Myers trade though.
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Post by Gwell55 on Jun 7, 2013 10:33:02 GMT -5
Complete speculation says Ball gets slot and Stank gets ~$1M. With the 5% overage, that would give the Sox about $500K to reallocate. If last year's draft is any indicator, don't be surprised if they go under slot with this pick and take a sign-ability guy in the fourth. Buttrey was the guy last year. He was the 38th ranked prospect and ended up signing for $1.3M. If ball signs for 3 Mil just under as a few are talking is about where he figures as just in top ten than your Stank at a Mil gives them 1.146800 plus overage of 5% on the first three picks comes in at 1.404140M about what Denney would want if he is there for the third pick. That looks pretty good if it pans out. Than maybe go with one more above slot at the 4th pick then just average Sr picks the rest of the way to pay for him.
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Post by njsox on Jun 7, 2013 10:56:17 GMT -5
Here is an interesting article about the Mets and Stankiewicz not coming to an agreement last year. Lots of people were really high on this kid. EDIT: Hopefully this means we have a shot at signing him in the <$800k range which would save us $400k+ to use somewhere else.
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Post by hammerhead on Jun 7, 2013 11:03:01 GMT -5
How about we act like St. Louis and produce a couple top tier arms, make the playoffs annually and get our position players through the international market?
Screw trading these guys, lets get this stable to the majors. Sign Devers for the offense, stockpile arms and then people can wonder why they never have pitchers like Ball and Owens coming up every year.
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Post by danr on Jun 7, 2013 11:03:25 GMT -5
I think a position player should have been chosen, either Meadows or Smith. I think the long term payoff of getting a premium position player is greater than getting a very good pitcher. And, furthermore, the Sox are very weak in the lower minors in position players.
The Sox definitely have a preference for very tall pitchers.
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Post by ramireja on Jun 7, 2013 11:05:40 GMT -5
With regards to yesterday's picks it will be crucial to see what each player signs for. If Ball is a slight under slot, and more importantly if Stankiewicz is under slot, and we utilize that money efficiently today, then I'm pretty happy. If neither of our top two players (especially Stankiewicz) signs for under slot, then I'm awfully confused. Here's to hoping for some bigger signs in Rounds 3-4 today. I just hope Stankiewicz is not hard headed and expects to get slot, regardless of where he is drafted. I assume the Red Sox did their due diligence. He walked away from the Mets because he was not offered slot. Exactly, and that scares me a little bit. But I hope he views an offer in the 0.8 - 1 million range as a considerable raise from his offer last year and saves us a decent chunk of change for today. If they pull a Brian Johnson and sign him at slot, I'll be mildly devastated.
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Post by templeusox on Jun 7, 2013 11:12:25 GMT -5
How about we act like St. Louis and produce a couple top tier arms, make the playoffs annually and get our position players through the international market? The Cardinals' 25-man roster doesn't have a single position player who was acquired on the international market. Even their notable recent Latin American players, Molina and Pujols, were acquired via the draft. I assume you're talking about Oscar Taveras, which is cool. But St. Louis has been one of the great teams at finding college position players in the Draft.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Jun 7, 2013 11:13:54 GMT -5
I would love to see the kid in my backyard, Cord Sandberg, be chosen by the Red Sox. Not sure what his figure is, but if he goes too low, I bet that full ride to Mississippi State to play quarterback will start to look better and better.
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Post by hammerhead on Jun 7, 2013 11:14:48 GMT -5
yes, I was talking about the organization in general, including their top prospect.
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Post by templeusox on Jun 7, 2013 11:15:19 GMT -5
Hopefully Trey Ball ends up being what Brandon Belt should have been as a pitcher.
Edit: I actually do like the Ball pick more and more. He's a fairly safe selection as far as Midwest high school lefties go. Stewart and Frazier would have been great, but that obviously just wasn't in the cards for us.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Jun 7, 2013 11:15:51 GMT -5
Here are interesting guys that would nice to see the Red Sox pick a few of them today...
Trey Michalczewki, 3B, Jenks, Okl
Zane Evans, C/RHP, Georgia Tech, 14 Hrs, Throws 97
Brandon Thomas, OF, Georgia Tech may have dropped some due to mono,
Thomas Millone, OF, Masuk HS, Monroe CT, very fast
Matt McPhearson, OF Riverdale Baptist HS, Upper Marlboro Md, signability issues, Miami recruit, fastest runner, some reference to NLF bloodlines
Jacob Hannemann, OF, BYU, target for 5th round, great athlete, with football player mentality
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Post by templeusox on Jun 7, 2013 11:21:00 GMT -5
I feel just as fortunate that the Marlins took Colin Moran, saving us from ourselves, than I feel unlucky that Frazier and Stewart were gone by our picks.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Jun 7, 2013 11:26:47 GMT -5
I feel just as fortunate that the Marlins took Colin Moran, saving us from ourselves, than I feel unlucky that Frazier and Stewart were gone by our picks. Amen. Although, I am guessing that Eddie Bane might have helped tip the scales to question the group think and still advocate picking Ball over Moran if he was still available.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Jun 7, 2013 11:28:38 GMT -5
I feel just as fortunate that the Marlins took Colin Moran, saving us from ourselves, than I feel unlucky that Frazier and Stewart were gone by our picks. I felt the exact same thing. It may have been irrational (I've only seen him play a couple of times), but I was really resistant to the idea of the Sox drafting him.
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Post by mjammz on Jun 7, 2013 11:30:00 GMT -5
It seems like what the Red Sox are looking for in pitchers are ones that have command of the strike zone and show potential for 2+ pitches. I actually like the approach to pick pitchers that can command their fastball. I'm sure their track record is better than the raw kid who may improve command with coaching.
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Post by taftreign on Jun 7, 2013 11:37:59 GMT -5
It seems like what the Red Sox are looking for in pitchers are ones that have command of the strike zone and show potential for 2+ pitches. I actually like the approach to pick pitchers that can command their fastball. I'm sure their track record is better than the raw kid who may improve command with coaching. Yes. I believe its hitters who have an eye for hitting, can take a walk and produce solid OBPs. For pitchers taller pitchers who generate plane with the fastball who have at least another above pitch and at least a third close to average at the time of the draft. Pitchers who can throw near the mid 90s but do so without being wild.
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Post by wickedlester on Jun 7, 2013 11:38:48 GMT -5
I'm kind of a downer sometimes, so feel free to call me out on it, lol...But, is anyone else concerned with the Sox track record developing HS prospects, pitchers especially?
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Post by mudbugger on Jun 7, 2013 11:39:55 GMT -5
Ben isn't Theo thats for sure.
Atleast I am not the only one thinking the 7th pick was a bad pick, to which there were better options than Ball.
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Post by wickedlester on Jun 7, 2013 11:43:15 GMT -5
I'm not a huge fan of the HS pitcher demographic as a whole...I mean obviously, you can get great players, but, there's an aweful lot of chaff...And the Sox record in that market is, um, spotty at best...
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jun 7, 2013 11:45:17 GMT -5
I'm kind of a downer sometimes, so feel free to call me out on it, lol...But, is anyone else concerned with the Sox track record developing HS prospects, pitchers especially? Who are the top guys they have missed on lately? Casey Kelly? They got Adrian Gonzales with him so they got value. Henry Owens? He is progressing into one of the better prospects in the system.
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