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2013 MLB Draft Day 2 Discussion Thread
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Post by wickedlester on Jun 7, 2013 11:50:57 GMT -5
I'm kind of a downer sometimes, so feel free to call me out on it, lol...But, is anyone else concerned with the Sox track record developing HS prospects, pitchers especially? Who are the top guys they have missed on lately? Casey Kelly? They got Adrian Gonzales with him so they got value. Henry Owens? He is progressing into one of the better prospects in the system. Well, who are the guy's they've "hit" on in the past 10 years? Michael Bowden? They received value for Kelly, but, it's not like he's any kind of a sure thing. Owens? I mean, he's still in A-Ball so it's too early to say either way on him...But, It's not like he's a consensus top tier pitching prospect, he could just as easily flame out as stick...Like I said, I'm kind of downer...I wasn't super excited about the Ball pick, and contrary to Temple, I would have prefered Moran to him, if he was still available...
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Post by elguapo on Jun 7, 2013 11:56:04 GMT -5
I'm not a huge fan of the HS pitcher demographic as a whole...the Sox record in that market is, um, spotty at best... Draftee fail rate is high, period. But you have to go pre-Lester to come up with a bunch of Red Sox HS pitching failures.
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Post by TheCerebral1 on Jun 7, 2013 11:56:06 GMT -5
I'm not a huge fan of the HS pitcher demographic as a whole...I mean obviously, you can get great players, but, there's an aweful lot of chaff...And the Sox record in that market is, um, spotty at best... Laughs, hopefully this comes back to smack you in the face. Austin Meadows may end up being a great pick, but there's nothing wrong with the Ball pick. Shipley, Meadows and Smith are the guys who might have been in the mix, but Ball has great size to fill out and his fastball will sit higher when he arrives.
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Post by awall on Jun 7, 2013 11:59:35 GMT -5
Hooray for 1 minute between picks!!!
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Post by wickedlester on Jun 7, 2013 12:00:11 GMT -5
I'm not a huge fan of the HS pitcher demographic as a whole...the Sox record in that market is, um, spotty at best... Draftee fail rate is high, period. But you have to go pre-Lester to come up with a bunch of Red Sox HS pitching failures. Really, can you name ANY HS pitching successes since Lester? I guess Kelly COULD be considered a success due to the value, but, we still have no idea if he will be an MLB pitcher...I'm not trying to be confrontational or anything...and I'm not going to hate on the Ball pick..Just not as excited as everyone else (I guess I should caveat, that I was REALLY hoping for Frazier...(
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Post by taftreign on Jun 7, 2013 12:02:46 GMT -5
Can anyone confirm that the 3rd round is the last round the picks are protected? As in if you don't sign the player you get a pick in the same round the following year. If so then I expect the next pick to be the tough sign guy for sure.
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Post by amfox1 on Jun 7, 2013 12:04:02 GMT -5
ian6poole (nj): Thoughts on red Sox draftees?
Nick Faleris on the MLB Draft: Two projectable arms that could take a little bit to get started, developmentally, but both have mid-rotation upside or better. Really like what I saw out of Ball this spring, and Stankiewicz could be a low- to mid-90s guy with a wipeout slider with some tweaking.
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Post by amfox1 on Jun 7, 2013 12:05:28 GMT -5
Can anyone confirm that the 3rd round is the last round the picks are protected? As in if you don't sign the player you get a pick in the same round the following year. If so then I expect the next pick to be the tough sign guy for sure. If a team doesn't sign a first or second round pick, they will get to pick at the same slot plus one the following year. For compensation for not signing a third round pick, teams would get a pick in a supplemental round between the third and fourth rounds.
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Post by threeifbaerga on Jun 7, 2013 12:06:03 GMT -5
Am I wrong to assume developing pitchers is developing pitchers, regardless of whether or not they came out of HS or college? It's not like there aren't raw college pitchers (Bard?) or polished HS pitchers (Bowden?). Each prospect comes with his own set of weaknesses or problems that need to be addressed regardless of what level of competition they've faced.
Their track record of developing pitchers is pretty damn solid: Doubront, Bard, Masterson, Buchholz, Lester, Papelbon, Kelly, even guys like Pressley, Weiland and Hagadone.
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Post by amfox1 on Jun 7, 2013 12:06:08 GMT -5
8 picks until BOS 3rd round pick.
Top BA undrafted:
25. Jon Denney, c, Yukon (Okla.) HS 34. Connor Jones, rhp, Great Bridge HS, Chesapeake, Va. 35. Kyle Serrano, rhp, Farragut (Tenn.) HS (not expected to sign) 37. Bobby Wahl, rhp, Mississippi 42. Cord Sandberg, of, Manatee HS, Bradenton, Fla. 48. Rowdy Tellez, 1b, Elk Grove (Calif.) HS 49. Trey Masek RHP 4YR Texas Tech 50. Andrew Mitchell RHP 4YR Texas Christian 58. Ryan Boldt OF HS Red Wing (Minn.) HS 61. Kent Emanuel LHP 4YR North Carolina 63. Tyler O’Neill C HS Garibaldi SS, Maple Ridge, B.C. 65. Dom Nunez C HS Elk Grove (Calif.) HS 66. Garrett Williams LHP HS Calvary Baptist HS, Shreveport, La. 67. Cavan Biggio 2B HS St. Thomas HS, Houston 68. Jared King OF 4YR Kansas State 70. Chandler Eden RHP HS Yuba City (Calif.) HS 72. Chris Okey C HS Eustis, Fla., HS (not expected to sign) 73. Tyler Skulina RHP/1B 4YR Kent State 75. Jacoby Jones 2B 4YR Louisiana State 78. A.J. Vanegas RHP 4YR Stanford 79. Michael O’Neill OF 4YR Michigan 80. Jake Brentz LHP HS Parkway South HS, Manchester, Mo. 81. Trey Michalczewski 3B HS Jenks (Okla.) HS 84. Garrett Hampson SS HS Reno (Nev.) HS 85. A.J. Puk LHP HS Washington HS, Cedar Rapids, Iowa
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Post by amfox1 on Jun 7, 2013 12:08:17 GMT -5
Kent Emanuel to HOU. 7 picks to BOS.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jun 7, 2013 12:09:14 GMT -5
What I'm saying is who are the TOP guys that they've missed on? They never really drafted anyone like Ball, Kelly and Owens. One was traded for a super star, one is progressing into a good/great prospect the other we'll see the ingredients are there to progress. They don't have anything for anyone to be worried about their track record on HS pitchers.
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Post by bluechip on Jun 7, 2013 12:09:37 GMT -5
There goes the old freshman.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jun 7, 2013 12:09:48 GMT -5
Nooooooo! Theo...
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Post by amfox1 on Jun 7, 2013 12:09:50 GMT -5
Jake Hannemann to CHC
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Post by mjammz on Jun 7, 2013 12:09:58 GMT -5
Hanneman to the Cubs.. fits the Theo and McCloud scouting profile to a tee.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jun 7, 2013 12:10:21 GMT -5
The Cubs take Hannemann really liked him.
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Post by bluechip on Jun 7, 2013 12:10:50 GMT -5
Thankfully no Harold Reynolds, praising every player from a northern state "because they have a higher ceiling"
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Post by mainesox on Jun 7, 2013 12:10:51 GMT -5
Draftee fail rate is high, period. But you have to go pre-Lester to come up with a bunch of Red Sox HS pitching failures. Really, can you name ANY HS pitching successes since Lester? I guess Kelly COULD be considered a success due to the value, but, we still have no idea if he will be an MLB pitcher...I'm not trying to be confrontational or anything...and I'm not going to hate on the Ball pick..Just not as excited as everyone else (I guess I should caveat, that I was REALLY hoping for Frazier...( How many of those guys have they even drafted who were ever supposed to be anything? Caleb Clay, Michael Bowden, Casey Kelly, Drake Britton and...? Brandon Belt who didn't sign? I don't think they have much of a track record of even picking/signing these guys before Sawdaye took over - now they've taken a bunch of them but it's way too early to say what they'll be (Ball, Callahan, Buttrey, Owens, and sort of Stankiewicz - JC guy only 7 months older than Ball).
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Post by iakovos11 on Jun 7, 2013 12:11:20 GMT -5
Draftee fail rate is high, period. But you have to go pre-Lester to come up with a bunch of Red Sox HS pitching failures. Really, can you name ANY HS pitching successes since Lester? I guess Kelly COULD be considered a success due to the value, but, we still have no idea if he will be an MLB pitcher...I'm not trying to be confrontational or anything...and I'm not going to hate on the Ball pick..Just not as excited as everyone else (I guess I should caveat, that I was REALLY hoping for Frazier...( And their record with HS bats is better?
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jun 7, 2013 12:11:21 GMT -5
And there goes Ivan Wilson.
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Post by bluechip on Jun 7, 2013 12:11:22 GMT -5
There goes another interesting guy in Wilson.
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Post by awall on Jun 7, 2013 12:11:40 GMT -5
cmon Wahl....
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Post by templeusox on Jun 7, 2013 12:12:14 GMT -5
Theo...so good.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jun 7, 2013 12:13:04 GMT -5
I hope the Mets develop Wilson. Great tools there.
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