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2013 MLB Draft Day 3 Discussion Thread
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Post by mjammz on Jun 8, 2013 15:31:37 GMT -5
27th Round Pick - Mark Nowaczewski, RHP, Reed HS, Sparks NV - #440 on BA Top 500
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Post by soxfan06 on Jun 8, 2013 15:34:11 GMT -5
Anyone left on the BA Top 500? They're ours.
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Post by soxfanatic on Jun 8, 2013 15:38:48 GMT -5
Nick Zammarelli!
Finally some pre draft rumors being legit.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jun 8, 2013 15:43:55 GMT -5
Hey guys im new to the board but I was just wondering if someone could explain the stank pick to me?
I love the ball and denny picks but it doesnt seem like stank has a lot of upside from what i've read. Why didnt we go for someone like wilson?
Not trying to complain, but if anyone has an answer, i'd appreciate it.
Thanks!
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Jun 8, 2013 15:45:47 GMT -5
AZ I see what you are saying. In fact, I've made similar posts myself. However we are fortunate that there is a lot of information about these players from both a scouting and historical perspective. Trey Ball has a lot of things to like. He's competitive extremely athletic throws hard and is left handed. He also apparently can throw a changeup with is my favorite breaking pitch and appeared to have a coach that cared about his pro-future. No 200 pitch outings for him. The problem is that he's still a high school pitcher. High school pitchers can be extremely risky to begin with. They don't have the same experience against higher level competition and are so young that they can very easily become different pitchers when they face the professional game. Heck, the kid has probably never been away from home for more than a week. In Ball's case, he's not from a high talent warm weather area like Texas or California, he's from Indiana where the competition is not as strong. Further, this spring was apparently awful weather-wise in the mid west. It's likely that they Sox and other teams did not get to scout Ball as much as they did Meadows or Shipley. It's fair to say that he's riskier than a normal high school player. Yes we haven't seen Ball in person or worked him out and even if we did we'd probably not evaluate him as well as the professionals do. However, that doesn't mean that this isn't a very risky pick. It was probably a riskier pick than Meadows or Shipley. Time will tell if this risk is justified and if the Sox have properly evaluated said risk. But fans should be aware of what they did. Of all the potential players to take, they took the one most likely to be a zero. It's more risk than I personally feel they should take. My sentiments almost exactly. At the same time, looking at the remaining alternatives and the value of top starting pitching prospects, he is probably an excellent pick. No doubt though that he is a high risk option. He was so skinny when I looked at his videos that I thought it possible he might never have a lot of arm strength and it seemed like we would have better options early on but the draft did not go as maybe expected in some reports and he was one of the best options still available. The kid does seem extremely coachable and hard working. A positive intangible guy. I love the quote from his mom in that article. This is a kid we can root for: "He's a quiet leader," Amy said. "He leads by example. He's very respectful, he's very honest. He's very reliable, very dependable and he's a very, very hard worker. He will not give you less than 110 percent. And he's just — you're going to make me cry — he's just a great all-around kid. And he's very mature for an 18-year-old."
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Post by ikonos on Jun 8, 2013 15:46:10 GMT -5
AZ I see what you are saying. In fact, I've made similar posts myself. However we are fortunate that there is a lot of information about these players from both a scouting and historical perspective. Trey Ball has a lot of things to like. He's competitive extremely athletic throws hard and is left handed. He also apparently can throw a changeup with is my favorite breaking pitch and appeared to have a coach that cared about his pro-future. No 200 pitch outings for him. The problem is that he's still a high school pitcher. High school pitchers can be extremely risky to begin with. They don't have the same experience against higher level competition and are so young that they can very easily become different pitchers when they face the professional game. Heck, the kid has probably never been away from home for more than a week. In Ball's case, he's not from a high talent warm weather area like Texas or California, he's from Indiana where the competition is not as strong. Further, this spring was apparently awful weather-wise in the mid west. It's likely that they Sox and other teams did not get to scout Ball as much as they did Meadows or Shipley. It's fair to say that he's riskier than a normal high school player.Yes we haven't seen Ball in person or worked him out and even if we did we'd probably not evaluate him as well as the professionals do. However, that doesn't mean that this isn't a very risky pick. It was probably a riskier pick than Meadows or Shipley. Time will tell if this risk is justified and if the Sox have properly evaluated said risk. But fans should be aware of what they did. Of all the potential players to take, they took the one most likely to be a zero. It's more risk than I personally feel they should take. Could it be possible they scouted his stuff and how he throws and what he throws than who he is throwing it against? There was a link provided in earlier pages that indicated Sox spent almost 2 months (an amount of time they spent scouting on only few players) scouting him? Their area scout watched him about ten times both as a pitcher and hitter and Sawdeye, Cherington, Bane along with the rest of the team watched him in person. Dont you think that indicates they have scouted him thoroughly? In that article Ben was quoted (paraphrasing) as saying when it was their time to pick, he was the best available player on their board ahead of Meadows. I understand most here wanted others but second guessing Sox on their 1st pick is ridiculous. On the remaining picks its not always best player available as signability, pool money management comes in to play who they pick. When you look at the draft class as a whole, i think they did very well. I hope they can sign as many as they can though.
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Post by pasadenasox on Jun 8, 2013 15:46:29 GMT -5
dcsoxfan: I think it's pretty straightforward, they had a guy they liked who will likely sign for slot (or a little less).
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Post by mjammz on Jun 8, 2013 15:47:53 GMT -5
I love how Jordan Sheffield has already put "2013 Red Sox Draftee" in his twitter profile.
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Jun 8, 2013 15:48:30 GMT -5
dcsoxfanLook at it like this: Round 1, 7 - Trey Ball, LHP (BA Rank #8) Round 2, 45 - Jon Denney, C (BA Rank #25) Round 3, 81 - Teddy Stankiewicz, RHP (BA Rank #77)
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Post by bjb406 on Jun 8, 2013 15:49:10 GMT -5
I can't help but question the red sox draft philosophy. Next year, below AA, the red sox wont have a single legitimate position prospect at any of the corner positions. Meanwhile we will not have enough playing time to go around for all of the SP, soft hitting short stops, or center fielders. We are already having to resort to piggy backing starting pitchers and forcing legit shortstop prospects to move to second just to get playing time. Im looking at how rosters are gonna play out, and it seems like in a couple years the whole organization will look like how greenville looks right now, with more SP than they have room for and no legit bats to speak of. I don't hate any of the picks in a vacuum, I think Meadows is probably better than Ball but its splitting hairs, but were just drafting too many pitchers in general.
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Post by sammo420 on Jun 8, 2013 15:49:28 GMT -5
Hey guys im new to the board but I was just wondering if someone could explain the stank pick to me? I love the ball and denny picks but it doesnt seem like stank has a lot of upside from what i've read. Why didnt we go for someone like wilson? Not trying to complain, but if anyone has an answer, i'd appreciate it. Thanks! He may have more talent than you think. He's on the younger side as he went to JuCo after being drafted by the Mets and not signing last year so he could be drafted again this year. He's a "safe" pick in that he'll sign possibly for underslot so we we're at least guaranteed of getting something out of him and possibly freeing up money to spend on guys like Denney. I ike the pick better than the Brian Johnson pick of last year.
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Post by sammo420 on Jun 8, 2013 15:51:30 GMT -5
I can't help but question the red sox draft philosophy. Next year, below AA, the red sox wont have a single legitimate position prospect at any of the corner positions. Meanwhile we will not have enough playing time to go around for all of the SP, soft hitting short stops, or center fielders. We are already having to resort to piggy backing starting pitchers and forcing legit shortstop prospects to move to second just to get playing time. Im looking at how rosters are gonna play out, and it seems like in a couple years the whole organization will look like how greenville looks right now, with more SP than they have room for and no legit bats to speak of. I don't hate any of the picks in a vacuum, I think Meadows is probably better than Ball but its splitting hairs, but were just drafting too many pitchers in general. And you know this how?
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Post by soxfanatic on Jun 8, 2013 15:54:51 GMT -5
Derek Burkamper ?@dburkamper4 I am going to college. Looking forward to Nebraska.
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Post by mainesox on Jun 8, 2013 15:55:49 GMT -5
I can't help but question the red sox draft philosophy. Next year, below AA, the red sox wont have a single legitimate position prospect at any of the corner positions. Meanwhile we will not have enough playing time to go around for all of the SP, soft hitting short stops, or center fielders. We are already having to resort to piggy backing starting pitchers and forcing legit shortstop prospects to move to second just to get playing time. Im looking at how rosters are gonna play out, and it seems like in a couple years the whole organization will look like how greenville looks right now, with more SP than they have room for and no legit bats to speak of. I don't hate any of the picks in a vacuum, I think Meadows is probably better than Ball but its splitting hairs, but were just drafting too many pitchers in general. Filling out balanced minor league rosters should be the last thing on their minds when they are drafting - particularly in any even remotely early round.
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Post by mjammz on Jun 8, 2013 15:59:56 GMT -5
The Red Sox just took Florida Starting QB Jeff Driskel.. did the same with Brandon Magee last year. They can sign the player and retain his rights until after his football career.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jun 8, 2013 16:00:28 GMT -5
dcsoxfanLook at it like this: Round 1, 7 - Trey Ball, LHP (BA Rank #8) Round 2, 45 - Jon Denney, C (BA Rank #25) Round 3, 81 - Teddy Stankiewicz, RHP (BA Rank #77) That does make more sense when you put it that way. It will be nice to have so many arms on the farm. Just saw Ranaudo pitch recently and had a blast.
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Post by soxfanatic on Jun 8, 2013 16:01:34 GMT -5
29th round pick Jeff Driskel is QB for the Florida Gators
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Jun 8, 2013 16:02:29 GMT -5
To me, looking at it in a cold and objective manner, I would blow up the draft rules if I were the Dodgers, Yanks or Redsox. For example, if we did draft at least 8-9 tough signs and just blew the top off the signs and paid the maximum penalty losing 2 picks and 100% tax. We could sign twice as many top prospects in year one and in ensuing years lose 2 1st rounders but what is to stop us from drafting 8-9 more tough signs and blowing it all off again? We could go on forever losing our top picks but still sign 8-9 or more top prospects which is probably double normal expectations every year. And this would have been a great year to do it. The first team to do it gets a major competitive advantage. I bet the Yanks are well on their way to that decision right now.
Teams aren't doing it because of the stigma of being the team which is "not playing ball" with the league goals of keeping costs down and maintaining competitive balence. Objectively, I would absolutely blow the CBA rules out the window.
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Post by mjammz on Jun 8, 2013 16:07:42 GMT -5
The reason the Red Sox would draft Driskel and other football players, they can say "here is 100,000 dollars" go play football. If it doesn't work out come play minor league baseball for us. At this point in the draft, it's better to take a risk on an elite athlete then some scrub out of Maine or Nebraska.
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Post by mainesox on Jun 8, 2013 16:09:33 GMT -5
The reason the Red Sox would draft Driskel and other football players, they can say "here is 100,000 dollars" go play football. If it doesn't work out come play minor league baseball for us. At this point in the draft, it's better to take a risk on an elite athlete then some scrub out of Maine or Nebraska. Hey, you leave Maine out of this!
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Post by foleyli on Jun 8, 2013 16:10:37 GMT -5
thelavarnwayguy MLB could always go the NFL route and penalize them for not working within the spirit of the game. Also, before the new CBA, the Red Sox and other big market teams did draft many highly rated signability guys but did not sign them then, now it would cost two times the amount to sign them and they would lose their 1st and 2nd round draft picks
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Post by foleyli on Jun 8, 2013 16:10:47 GMT -5
there goes rowdy
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Post by mjammz on Jun 8, 2013 16:10:51 GMT -5
Red Sox select - Nick Longhi, OF, Venice HS (FL) - #296 in BA top 100
If the Red Sox were ever going to blow up their draft pool it would be with this class.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jun 8, 2013 16:12:17 GMT -5
Longhi, Nick Venice HS (FL) OF R/L HS 6'02" 205lbs DOB: 08/16/95 |
Longhi has the potential to be one of the better pure hitters from this year's Draft class. He has a quick, compact swing and should hit for average as well as power in the future. Although he lacks range, he is an adequate defender in the outfield and has the arm to play in right. No matter where he plays, the LSU commit's bat will always be his greatest asset and will be what carries him throughout pro ball.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jun 8, 2013 16:13:02 GMT -5
Solid pick. Not sure what he needs to skip college.
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