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7/2-7/4 Red Sox vs. Padres Series Thread
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 4, 2013 16:31:10 GMT -5
That was a great win! This team has been so much better than I ever thought they could be. I hate the "chemistry" argument, but they do seem to have it. It seems that each player brings his own set of skills that complements the team well. For instance, I hated the Victorino signing, and in a vacuum I'd never give him a 3 year deal for that money, but even though the OPS is merely only OK, his defense and baserunning are amazing and it helps the team out immensely. I thought signing Gomes for 2 year $10 million was kind of nutty, but the guy just finds ways to help teams win. Even when he doesn't hit, he draws walks and isn't afraid of key game situations. Not only that, I don't wince on balls hit to him in LF like I thought I would. Mike Carp fits in very well (at least I liked that signing as I did like the Koji signings as well) and complements Napoli, who I hope has a good 2nd half as they definitely need somebody to protect Big Papi so he isn't always getting walked with the game on the line. I also hope the Sox find another high leverage late inning bullpen arm to take the strain off of Uehara and Tazawa as I am a little worried about their workload. You aren't alone in hating the chemistry argument. Most people, not necessarily you, need to be able to fully explain something and numbers are a safe way to do that. Things like chemistry and intangibles are used by people who've played the game and won in the game but because it's not measurable people like to dismiss it. Can a team who doesn't like each other win? Yes, but that's a dumb argument to make for why they don't exist. Believe in it it doesn't mean you think it's more important then it is.
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Post by wcp3 on Jul 4, 2013 18:02:05 GMT -5
This team is kinda good.
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Post by onbase on Jul 4, 2013 18:02:52 GMT -5
When I read the words of those poo pooing chemistry, they seem to be arguing that teams that hate each other can win if the talent is there, that chemistry comes from winning not the other way around, that chemistry is just the fluff of getting along and celebrating the wins in fun ways, and so on.
What if chemistry actually means a mixture that produces a certain result? Liking each other is nice, but being able to work effectively together, even if you take separate cabs, is good chemistry.
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Jul 4, 2013 18:13:54 GMT -5
Concerning Garza:
I would honestly be quite furious if we traded a solid package for him. I would much rather let the kids get their shot and go with internal options. Webster appears to be getting better after every start. We also have quality depth in the upper levels of our farm system in Webster, Workman, Rubby, Ranaudo plus we still have Aceves and Morales if we should need them to start in the near future. Trading legitimate prospects, Theo would want to rape us, for Garza when we have enviable depth would be a really frustrating move and I would not approve.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jul 4, 2013 18:30:05 GMT -5
When I read the words of those poo pooing chemistry, they seem to be arguing that teams that hate each other can win if the talent is there, that chemistry comes from winning not the other way around, that chemistry is just the fluff of getting along and celebrating the wins in fun ways, and so on. What if chemistry actually means a mixture that produces a certain result? Liking each other is nice, but being able to work effectively together, even if you take separate cabs, is good chemistry. I think this is an accurate representation of how I feel about it. Beane's words, about chemistry being what happens after you win, dovetails into this. I've worked on teams with people from very different backgrounds, political philosophies, people with religious creeds and so on. When you see someone who's good at what they do, and willing to fit their skills to the task at hand, all of the other stuff usually falls away. For me, it's easy to respect people who are good at what they do. That said, we don't need to look any further than Aaron Hernandez to realize how bitter the disappointment can be when someone performs in their role, but with an appalling philosophy in their personal lives. There are places where the personal becomes very public.
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Post by onbase on Jul 4, 2013 20:54:12 GMT -5
When I read the words of those poo pooing chemistry, they seem to be arguing that teams that hate each other can win if the talent is there, that chemistry comes from winning not the other way around, that chemistry is just the fluff of getting along and celebrating the wins in fun ways, and so on. What if chemistry actually means a mixture that produces a certain result? Liking each other is nice, but being able to work effectively together, even if you take separate cabs, is good chemistry. I think this is an accurate representation of how I feel about it. Beane's words, about chemistry being what happens after you win, dovetails into this. I've worked on teams with people from very different backgrounds, political philosophies, people with religious creeds and so on. When you see someone who's good at what they do, and willing to fit their skills to the task at hand, all of the other stuff usually falls away. For me, it's easy to respect people who are good at what they do. That said, we don't need to look any further than Aaron Hernandez to realize how bitter the disappointment can be when someone performs in their role, but with an appalling philosophy in their personal lives. There are places where the personal becomes very public. There's also no denying that Ben's emphasis on good character has, so far, worked. There's no way the Pats could have foreseen what Aaron Hernandez was capable of doing off the field, but they do seem to think they can manage character issues. I'm very glad to be a baseball fan right now.
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