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Post by texs31 on Apr 3, 2022 10:01:34 GMT -5
Traded or Cut/Claimed result in the same savings.
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Post by texs31 on Apr 3, 2022 9:59:10 GMT -5
Only if he's claimed. Unclaimed, they save about 370k
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Post by texs31 on Apr 2, 2022 13:29:33 GMT -5
Now we really don't NEEED anything heading into the draft. Like the move, still want Olave or Williams at 21 if they are there, though CB is probably a smidge higher on the need chart now. I think they can now take advantage of the depth of the draft instead of obsessing at the top.
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Post by texs31 on Apr 2, 2022 13:22:15 GMT -5
Spot Trac already has him on the Pats page as a 6.044 Cap Hit. OTC still has him on MIami with 8.744 which makes sense. It's his prorated signing bonus that stays with Miami. So his hit for this year breaks down as
Base = 5,650,000 Roster bonus = 294,118 (500K total but, with only 10 GP last year, that's the LTBE piece - 500K/17*10) Workout bonus = 100,000
Hit = 6,044,118
EDIT - Of course it's also possible they reworked the deal as part of the trade.
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Post by texs31 on Apr 2, 2022 12:13:32 GMT -5
Just read his cap hit is over 8 so something has to happen in addition to this.
EDIT - not sure of the exact rules bit not all of that 8.7 is on the Pats. Some will be dead money on Miami books.
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Post by texs31 on Apr 2, 2022 12:06:25 GMT -5
Pats getting Davante Parker for a late rd pick.
Scratch that 23 3rd rd. Pats also getting a 5th back from Miami in 22
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Post by texs31 on Apr 1, 2022 10:24:15 GMT -5
We're not making past Toronto without Brown, would suck if it came to that. Well it wouldn't be the whole series though, right? Just games in Canada.
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Post by texs31 on Apr 1, 2022 9:31:51 GMT -5
Of the top 4 EC teams, Philly and Boston refused to say if they were vaxxed or not (Mia and Mil said they are fully vaxxed).
The only players we know are vaxxed on Boston (based on the fact that they played in Toronto the other night) are:
GWilliams,Nesmith,Smart,Theis,White,Hauser,Kornet,Pritchard
According to ESPN, RWill is vaccinated (but that's probably irrelevant unless he makes a quicker than expected recovery). Tatum has also said he's vaccinated (C's media day, I think is what was reported).
That leaves the other 2 as unknowns. I guess Al was asked about it the other day and he said he'd be ready to player wherever. Some are taking that to mean he will be getting vaccinated if not already.
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Post by texs31 on Apr 1, 2022 8:02:13 GMT -5
Horford and Brown are 2 names that I've read.
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Post by texs31 on Apr 1, 2022 7:51:26 GMT -5
Toronto is not ideal given the speculated vax staus of some key members of the team.
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Post by texs31 on Mar 31, 2022 20:12:15 GMT -5
These guys have been mentioned by folks on here before but a nice summary of 3 potential additions in the next phase of FA. www.patspulpit.com/2022/3/31/23004477/2022-nfl-free-agency-3-players-would-still-make-sense-patriotsIn an ideal world, I wouldn't mind adding a younger player at NT in the draft but, given other needs, it might make sense to add a FA instead. I'd also think the ideal add on the OL would be a guy who can play G and C (hence the initial attempt to bring back Karras and the pursuit of Bates) but Williams would still be an upgrade.
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Post by texs31 on Mar 31, 2022 19:31:11 GMT -5
Peppers Cap# coming in at 1.725M. Pretty good for a player with his upside. Current Cap space at around 4.2.
Took a quick peek at the OTC and SpotTrac who have the Pats at 5.05M and 4.7M, respectively. Both seem to be using a different number than what was reported for Malcolm Butler. The reported hit on him was 2.25 for 2022 but those sites both have him at 1.74M. The discrepancy explanation certainly appears to be his roster bonus. If the reports are correct, then the Roster Bonus is LTBE (and they are basing this on his last "unretired" year). However, if you're supposed to count last year, than all of his Roster Bonus would be NLTBE since he played 0 games. Not sure if Miguel knows or was defaulting to the reported hit.
Another discrepancy is regarding the bonuses on players 52 and beyond. Both Miguel and SpotTrac include the bonuses for those players in the Cap Calculation and I believe that is true (only Salary for those players is excluded). OTC does not include that.
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Post by texs31 on Mar 31, 2022 14:58:46 GMT -5
FWIW I just asked Miguel on Twitter and he confirmed that NLTBE ROSTER bonuses hit this year's cap whereas other NLTBE earned bonuses adjust next.
Also, that link you provided says:
"From a cap standpoint there is also a benefit to the in-season roster bonus. In the NFL these are considered incentive based payments. What that means is that when the league year begins what counts towards the salary cap depends on what you did the year before. So if you are set to earn $31,250 for every game on the active 46 but only made the active 46 the prior year for 5 games your cap charge in March will only be $156,250 rather than $500,000. Now if the player ends up playing 16 games they will adjust your cap number accordingly, but that comes at seasons end not during free agency when teams need the cap room. "
Admittedly, it would be clearer if it said this year's cap instead of "season's end" but the reference to "during free agency" (the start of free agency kicks off the next league year) coupled with Miguel's confirmation makes me feel comfortable in using his estimation.
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Post by texs31 on Mar 31, 2022 14:31:38 GMT -5
As I mentioned, he's also used that in a similar post that talks about cap room that will be needed throughout the year.
That's why he says his current number doesn't account for it. Why would he say that if it's not supposed to.
Anyway, if you don't like the estimate, don't use it. Pretty simple.
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Post by texs31 on Mar 31, 2022 11:58:43 GMT -5
In part 2/3 of 3 he lists NLTBE Active Roster bonuses as "operating expenses" that are not accounted for in the current cap # (he's also used "cap space needed to navigate the rest of the season" to show the same information).
Meanwhile, both the Ravens Cap Guy and an excerpt from NFL.com say Roster bonuses hit the cap in the year they are triggered.
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Post by texs31 on Mar 31, 2022 6:22:11 GMT -5
I believe he's saying Peppers saves us money against the cap but you have to pay that one during the year. Everything I'm reading suggests roster bonuses ALWAYS hit during the year. It's other incentives whose NTLBE/LTBE status adjusts next year's cap.
Still looking for more evidence.
Is it your thinking then that Miguel is wrong when he is adding that estimate for NLTBE roster bonuses? That's fine if you do. In my experience with Miguel, while he does make mistakes, I can't think of 1 time where it was related to the rules
I'd also add that, although the NFLPA Cap page takes some time to catch up, he usually lines up with them pretty well (once it's about actual numbers and not projections).
But, if you don't want to use that estimation, I can't force you.
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Post by texs31 on Mar 30, 2022 19:38:58 GMT -5
The Ravens cap guy and NFL.com seem to confirm that roster bonuses count against the cap in the year they are accumulated.
Other NLTBE incentives adjust the next year's cap #.
That would align with the movement we see after each game in the season.
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Post by texs31 on Mar 30, 2022 19:23:43 GMT -5
Looks like Brady wins. Arians retiring per reports.
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Post by texs31 on Mar 30, 2022 13:23:26 GMT -5
These are ALL projections/estimates based on previous behavior and NONE should be taken as absolute amounts (I can't help but think you actually knew that).
- Top 51 rule ends when the season begins so the "next 2 guys" on the list will hit the cap at that time - When he says injured players, he means replacing them from outside the organization. When you put someone on IR, their number stays on the cap (save for any bonuses that, being on the roster, will prevent them from earning). - On the NLTBE earned roster bonuses, now that I read what Miguel posted, I do recall him providing updated numbers throughout the season when being active causes changes in the Cap #. Other NLTBE bonuses hit adjust next year's number. If you follow him consistently, you'll see updates throughout the season based solely on a new week and active roster bonuses. I had forgotten about that until I saw the post.
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Post by texs31 on Mar 30, 2022 6:08:01 GMT -5
As for the numbers I was looking up (which contain the info above), Miguel estimates the following op expenses that will hit the cap this year:
Draft picks - Currently about 2.8M but the exact # will change with Bill likely making some trades Hits for Players 52 and 53 - 1.41 M Practice Squad - 3.5 M PS Elevations - 500K NLTBE Active Roster Bonuses - 3.6M (would imagine this number changes as more NLTBE AR Bonuses are used in deals) Injury Replacements - 5M
So that's an additional 16.3 M. Now Miguel also estimates that there is, typically, a 2M savings when younger players beat out older ones for the final roster so, the Pats will likely have to create another 14.3M in cap space even if they make no other moves after Peppers is official
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Post by texs31 on Mar 29, 2022 22:23:00 GMT -5
As an example of what UMass is saying, let's say they give him a 100K per game roster bonus. Because he only played in 6 games last year, only 600K would be considered likely to be earned (LTBE) so only that would count on his cap hit. The other 1.1M would NLTBE and, whatever he DOES earn, would be used to adjust next year's cap number.
EDIT - Was looking some info up on Miguel's timeline and it would appear the NLTBE Roster Bonus DOES hit this year, just not immediately (probably after each game above and beyond the # of games played this year).
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Post by texs31 on Mar 29, 2022 18:12:03 GMT -5
Miguel also has a list on his feed of cap saving moves.
I might have posted the list earlier on the thread too.
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Post by texs31 on Mar 29, 2022 12:30:23 GMT -5
Peppers to NE for 1 yr, per Schefter
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Post by texs31 on Mar 28, 2022 17:25:48 GMT -5
Smart White Nesmith G Williams Theis
Your starting 5 tonight.
Yikes
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Post by texs31 on Mar 28, 2022 11:10:32 GMT -5
Punt return experience too.
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