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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 18, 2021 20:01:27 GMT -5
Who is pitching for them tomm? This is killing their staff.
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 18, 2021 20:00:15 GMT -5
AND we are in to the pen Hahaha!!
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 18, 2021 19:54:24 GMT -5
Lets get this party started!!!!!!!!
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 18, 2021 19:45:42 GMT -5
lets go hunter
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 18, 2021 19:41:51 GMT -5
great AB Duggy
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 18, 2021 19:37:39 GMT -5
I hope eddie gets the same strike zone
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 18, 2021 19:31:25 GMT -5
dealin
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 18, 2021 19:22:07 GMT -5
Eddie wasn't getting that call off the plate
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 18, 2021 19:15:51 GMT -5
This is a good sign
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 18, 2021 19:13:39 GMT -5
He is getting ahead
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 18, 2021 19:10:03 GMT -5
LFG
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 18, 2021 18:59:07 GMT -5
What's the most crazy is that he was teammates with Vazquez when he was 7. So many great stories, great guy, great teammate. Lets hope he continues to be the MVP of these playoffs and becomes a Sox legend.
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 18, 2021 18:38:08 GMT -5
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 18, 2021 17:44:00 GMT -5
I like that idea. Both of those guys could be steals. Their are a lot of guys who return from TJ and are very good, it might be the 2nd year but. They did a similar thing with signing Richards - it just didn't work out like Robbie Ray. But it was a year & team option so it didn't hurt them much at all, keep swinging and eventually you'll find a diamond in the rough. I feel like Syndergaard could be an interesting option depending on what the Mets want to do in terms of the QO, it's not the Wilpons anymore so they could risk it. Thing is both of those guys are horses. That's what makes me like their chances of being aces again.
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 18, 2021 16:38:48 GMT -5
As far as Verlander goes how much will the market say he is worth at 39 coming off TJ? That is the question. And the Sox should be abandoning the cap restraints for a few years at this point, IMO. Their will be contracts expiring and opt outs to contend with so I would be all for going big next year. Not overly big on a Correa or other 30m guy but Schwarber yes and some pitching upgrades. A stud high leverage reliever maybe. I think it would be a good year to get after it. I just like the players who we can get for two years or less (regardless of money). Verlander & Syndergaard can probably be had for 1-2 year deals - age being the drawback for Verlander and injury for Syndergaard. Try and find next years Robbie Ray who can be a top to middle line guy for a year while we develop the system and find cheaper and younger options. I like that idea. Both of those guys could be steals. Their are a lot of guys who return from TJ and are very good, it might be the 2nd year but.
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 18, 2021 16:02:18 GMT -5
This idea that you have to go "all in" to win the World Series is bunk. That isn't the way this sport works. This isn't basketball or football where one or two players have an outsized effect on winning percentage. The best teams in the league typically win 60ish% of the time, which is just north of a coin flip, and the way to win the World Series is to make the playoffs as often as you can (ideally by winning the division) and hope the cards fall your way in the playoffs. Bloom's stated goal is to build a sustainable contender that is in the playoff race year after year without the boom or bust cycles that have plagued recent Red Sox teams. That is presumably also ownership's goal, because they otherwise wouldn't have hired someone like Bloom. He's not going to unduly chase short-term wins over the long-term health of the franchise, and his moves at the trade deadline this year illustrate that dynamic. What does that mean in terms of actual moves? Here's my take: - Less likely to sign long-term, big-money contracts that limit future payroll flexibility
- Less likely to trade prospects for short-term upgrades that have negative net present value from a $/WAR perspective (e.g., trading big prospect packages for rentals)
- More likely to build/replenish the farm system, even if the current MLB team is competitive (e.g., you might see him trade away MLB players for prospects even while the MLB team is competitive)
- More likely to focus on value rather than need (e.g., would rather acquire cheaper, more under-the-radar players rather than just going out and signing/trading for the best available player at a position of need)
- More likely to focus on positional versatility for both position players and pitchers (e.g., wouldn't be surprised to see more swingman-type pitchers who can both add SP depth but also switch over to the bullpen as needed)
- More likely to focus on adding value on the margins through clever roster management (e.g., their use of the COVID list this year to have Houck essentially be a 27th player on the roster for a while)
I'm not disagreeing with you for the most part as you are really just pointing out a lot of really smart moves that you hope work out and lead to sustained success. For me when I say go for it I am talking about going over the tax cap and building an even better team when you think the time is right and things align. That doesn't really mean breaking those rules you stated above. Take a look at the Braves of the 90's and early 2000s. The Rays of the last 13 years and the Dodgers of the last 10. One WS win for the Dodgers out of all that success and that was after going and getting Betts. Take next season for example with JD and Eovaldi scheduled to come off the books and Xander looking for a raise or opting out. It could be a year where they go out and expand the budget on guys like Schwarber who could fit in well LT and build a better overall staff. They can do that for a year or 2 and still maintain flexibility for the future. IMO it will be a combination of what you said above along with doing traditional big market team type things. And that doesn't mean going outside of the franchise and signing the best FA available but it does mean having some top of the line and highest paid players in MLB. Myself I like having someone like Sale and those guys will always be expensive and will always come with some risk. Maybe the way to do that will be trading for more high end pitching prospects rather than signing a David Price.
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 18, 2021 14:35:29 GMT -5
I mean not to post this again but the logic he’s using is astounding I knew they’d kneel going into the half because they’ve been playing ultra-conservative all year so whatever but this cannot be a serious explanation. That makes me question competence for the first time in 2 decades. Everything has a shelf life. We may be approaching that point. Because that is a brain dead explanation. If you wanted to judge BB off of his post game comments then you could say he has been brain dead for a long time.
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 18, 2021 14:24:21 GMT -5
As far as Verlander goes how much will the market say he is worth at 39 coming off TJ? That is the question. And the Sox should be abandoning the cap restraints for a few years at this point, IMO. Their will be contracts expiring and opt outs to contend with so I would be all for going big next year. Not overly big on a Correa or other 30m guy but Schwarber yes and some pitching upgrades. A stud high leverage reliever maybe. I think it would be a good year to get after it.
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 18, 2021 14:10:09 GMT -5
But they are SO hateable!
Reasons:
-tomahwak chop -stadium white flight -their being on tv all the damn time when I was growing up; the 10,000 spoons when all you need is a knife of baseball broadcasts
Oh man… now you are talking! I can always be convinced to hate yet another franchise! Keep this up and by the time this match up arrives (if it does), I’ll view it as an apocalyptic battle of good and evil, which is the only way I can enjoy sports. I feel bad for you if that is the case.
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 18, 2021 13:53:55 GMT -5
I’m all set on Dalbec. Would rather see Verdugo and Schwarber. Urquidy has big reverse splits so the chances are good Cora will stay true to form and start Dalbec. If thats the case I hope you end up regretting this for the Sox sake.
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 18, 2021 13:36:49 GMT -5
I agree with a lot of this but how can you say coaching doesn't matter? Sure it is baseball and guys are up and down but to completely disregard coaching I don't agree with. I think Erics post hits on this, they thought they could fix some guys. It worked with some but not all, obviously. Another example, why do some teams have so much success in developing pitchers while others hardly ever do? Like TBay and the Red Sox. I never said coaching didn't matter. Looking at every move that didn't workout and saying it's just players that aren't coachable is a crazy take. It assumes the GM is perfect and it's just the players. Take Andrew Miller, you get ten players like him and you likely get one to become Miller. It's as much luck as it is coaching. Coaching can make a big difference, yet Baseball players are up and down. Some guys suck for years till the light just goes on and everything comes together. Good GMs can target the right players that could breakout, yet you will always get failures. You see this perfectly this year with about half of Blooms moves looking good to great and a bunch looking bad. I truly believe there's luck with pitching given the injuries. I mean look at Kopech, Espinoza, Groome, Mata and Ward having TJ surgery. Also the Ray's get extra picks, plus trade off veterans to get young pitchers. Look at there top three young starters, a late first rounder and Glasnow and Patino who they traded for. That's darn similar to Erod, Pivetta and Houck. I interpreted "It isn't coaching, it is baseball" as coaching didn't matter. I think you can see my point. But yes not every guy is going to be able to be coached up.
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 18, 2021 13:23:49 GMT -5
Wow 3 straight in Boston. I pray the pitching holds up. I’m pretty confident in the offense. Which ERod do we get tonight? He has a touch of Bucholtz in him. When he is on he is better. One of the things about ERod is Cora will know early if he has it or doesn't, it is usually evident early as he needs to hit his spots.
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 18, 2021 13:16:08 GMT -5
That is notable, though it's only 126 PAs, and for his career it's only .764. It would take a deeper dive than I'm capable of to say whether the 1.000 OPS is just a fluke or something more than that. This cuts both ways, does it not. One the one hand, here we are agreeing that the third time through a lineup is going to be all but outlawed in the "new baseball", and we are questioning the bringing Erod back because he had truly lousy third time OPS this year. What was his OPS the first two times through? Could we live with that in the era of the quick Hookora? You can bet that the Sox know the dimensions of this set of equations and will measure it against the alternatives. And, regardless of home town discounts and the evil you know is better than the evil you do not know, especially at $15-20 mil per year, if there are teams that see Erod as a real innings eater, then they will offer him a salary based on that and not on a 4 to 5 inning inning role. Just want to say I have always been an ERod fan and supporter. Just throwing out information that pertains to perceived value for this offseason. Even with all of that negative information I think he isn't easily replaced. I also agree with the evil you know vs don't know thought, especially in the AL East. I mean really yr in yr out it is a gauntlet outside of the Orioles and with the young stacked BJays it is just going to get tougher. edit. He was about 704 the first 2 times thru, pretty sure.
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 18, 2021 11:55:12 GMT -5
ERod third time thru the lineup OPS against over 1000. Hmmm, does that deserve a big contract?
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 18, 2021 11:39:49 GMT -5
I'm not ready to pile on the GOAT coach at this time. I still appreciate 6 Super Bowl wins too much to all of a sudden think I know better than him.
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