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Post by sibbysisti on Sept 10, 2012 20:46:00 GMT -5
It's no secret that Kevin Towers, for whatever reason, wants to move Upton. He's having an off year with 13HR and a .272 BA.
This kid, only 25 yrs old, two years older than Bryce Brenz, already has a .300 season and two 26+ hrs years.
Indications are that the Diamondbacks want a ML ready shortstop. Elvis Andrus is an asset Phoenix can use. And there is mutual interest from Texas in acquiring Upton.
Can the Sox compete for Upton with Iglesias and other prospects?.
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Post by bentossaurus on Sept 11, 2012 5:19:13 GMT -5
If they could it's something to consider. Having said that, I'm firmly against using "good" prospects for something other than frontline SP.
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Post by jsk793 on Sept 11, 2012 11:34:20 GMT -5
I think the sox will try really hard to get upton in the offseason. Whether the get him or not will depend on what they have to give up. I'd say that the only untouchable is Bogaerts, and they are very unlikely to trade barnes either. JBJ depends on what they want to do with ellsbury. If they extend ells JBJ becomes trade bait, if they trade ells JBJ becomes the future. So it would be hard. They have a boatload of pitching prospects. they would probably ask for bogaerts, and the sox will most definitely turn them down. IT will be interesting to see what happens. I also agree with nheck though, I would rather trade good prospects for starting pitching
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Post by larrycook on Sept 11, 2012 13:52:46 GMT -5
If they could it's something to consider. Having said that, I'm firmly against using "good" prospects for something other than frontline SP. I agree 100%, prospects should only be used for "frontline SP." The question becomes would you include Boegarts as part of a deal for King Felix?
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Post by dmaineah on Sept 11, 2012 15:13:02 GMT -5
I am not a big Upton fan but i would be willing to part with Iglesias and another lower level prospect for him.
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Post by jmei on Sept 11, 2012 16:07:27 GMT -5
I am not a big Upton fan but i would be willing to part with Iglesias and another lower level prospect for him. There is zero chance that this proposal is sufficient to trade for Justin Upton, assuming that by "lower level prospect" you mean any player not in the SP.com top 10.
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Post by dmaineah on Sept 11, 2012 17:28:00 GMT -5
I am not a big Upton fan but i would be willing to part with Iglesias and another lower level prospect for him. There is zero chance that this proposal is sufficient to trade for Justin Upton, assuming that by "lower level prospect" you mean any player not in the SP.com top 10. Then the Sox would be over paying by a considerable margin. Upton is good but over rated.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Sept 11, 2012 17:34:52 GMT -5
I've seen so little of Upton. What kind of outfielder is he? Can he play right? Can he play right in Fenway?
I like his power potential and that he is 25. BUT why would any team consider trading someone like this? Again, I don't really know him well.....does he have an attitude? We certainly don't need that.
I wish Marrero was more seasoned. He would probably be of more interest to the Diamondbacks then. I'm sure they are like most MLB teams, they want pitching. Not sure there is a great match.
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Post by psusox14 on Sept 11, 2012 17:53:58 GMT -5
Although I am a huge fan of Upton, I don't see the need for him on the six, especially when he'll likely require top-top prospects. Our outfield looks pretty good for the future. We already have Ross (likely extension), Ellsbury (less likely, but possible extension), Sweeney, Kalish, JBJ, Brentz, and possibly X-Factor (as its possible SS doesn't work out and 3B is blocked by WMB. Between those gentlemen I think at least 3 will pan out in the sox favor, thus nullifying the need for Upton and his hefty price tag.
P.S. What do we think about the x-factor nickname? He's gotta have some awesome nickname related to the fact that his name starts with X ready by the time he gets to the bigs, and our window is closing rapidly.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Sept 12, 2012 7:39:47 GMT -5
P.S. What do we think about the x-factor nickname? He's gotta have some awesome nickname related to the fact that his name starts with X ready by the time he gets to the bigs, and our window is closing rapidly. OK.......Xcel Xcellence The X-Factor The X Man Xemnas Xgame X-Ray Xranormal Xtreme Xude tsunami...............Xunamai Just came to me. I need to get a life! By the way, I think spell checker is broken.
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Post by jdb on Sept 12, 2012 8:10:23 GMT -5
I've seen so little of Upton. What kind of outfielder is he? Can he play right? Can he play right in Fenway? I like his power potential and that he is 25. BUT why would any team consider trading someone like this? Again, I don't really know him well.....does he have an attitude? We certainly don't need that. I wish Marrero was more seasoned. He would probably be of more interest to the Diamondbacks then. I'm sure they are like most MLB teams, they want pitching. Not sure there is a great match. I think Upton is considered a pretty good glove in RF. In fact when the rumors started many talking heads felt teams were looking at him for CF so he might be serviceable there. Also the D Backs are one of a few teams that are spoiled with young starters. Skaggs and Bauer are near ready and Archie Bradley is on the way. Thats not including Wade Miley, Ian Kennedy, Cahill and Daniel Hudson in the bigs. Im not sure what they will do with Upton but im guessing they want younger MLB players to build up with that SP. I think they have a CF in Eaton, C is locked up and probably first base.
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Post by mainesox on Sept 12, 2012 11:49:37 GMT -5
I think people forget how young Upton is because he's been around since 2007 - this is his age 24 season - he's a couple weeks younger than Ryan Lavarnway. Think about that for a minute. Lots of people around here, myself included, are excited about Lavarnway's potential - Upton has been in the majors for 6 years (five full seasons) at the same age.
Jackie Bradley, another guy we are all excited about (for good reason), had an .810 OPS in AA this year - when Upton was Bradley's age he had an .800 OPS in the majors. Brentz had an .830 OPS in AA as a 23 year old this year - Upton had a legitimate MVP caliber season in the majors when he was 23. When he was Cecchini's age he had a .900 OPS in the majors. He broke into the majors at Bogaerts' age.
Upton is legitimately one of the top young talents in the game and he had one down year (a year in which he had a lingering thumb injury), so now people think he's a good/not-great player who we should be able to get for spare parts.
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Post by jmei on Sept 12, 2012 12:14:58 GMT -5
Agree with mainesox. Upton is one of the few players available through trade or FA with true superstar potential and a realistic shot of reaching it. That means acquiring him will be expensive in terms of prospect cost. It's absolutely fine to think that the Red Sox should target their resources elsewhere, although I think the offense needs as much work as the pitching considering the team now has exactly one player with more than one elite season at the plate (Pedroia). But Upton would certainly fill a significant need for this team and players with his potential rarely hit the market.
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Post by larrycook on Sept 14, 2012 13:13:05 GMT -5
IUpton is legitimately one of the top young talents in the game and he had one down year (a year in which he had a lingering thumb injury), so now people think he's a good/not-great player who we should be able to get for spare parts. The thumb injury is a excellent point. And I believe it contributed more than people think to his numbers dip. Moreover, if he is 100% next season, he could post 2011 like numbers again. No doubt he is a difference maker when healthy. However it seems to me that our prospects would be better spent in pursuit of 2 SP.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Oct 12, 2012 13:33:13 GMT -5
Webster, Inglesias and Bard for Upton make it happen.
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Post by larrycook on Oct 12, 2012 13:39:19 GMT -5
Webster, Inglesias and Bard for Upton make it happen. Are you really ready to give up on Bard?
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Post by pedroelgrande on Oct 12, 2012 13:47:17 GMT -5
They are taking Iglesias, you have to give them something.
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Post by dmaineah on Oct 12, 2012 14:00:55 GMT -5
Webster, Inglesias and Bard for Upton make it happen. I don't think there is any way the Red Sox would include any of their young Starting Pitchers in a trade for Upton.
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Post by sibbysisti on Oct 12, 2012 15:52:25 GMT -5
Webster, Inglesias and Bard for Upton make it happen. I don't think there is any way the Red Sox would include any of their young Starting Pitchers in a trade for Upton. Why not? Do you think Phoenix would be interested in our older starting pitchers? On the theory that you have to give something to get something, to acquire a stud middle of the order potential superstar, I'd put a Barnes or Ranaudo is play, plus, of course, Iglesias and others. This kid is not yet in his prime.
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Post by nomar on Oct 12, 2012 16:18:15 GMT -5
Buchholz and Iglesias for Upton is my preference.
Ellsbury for Andrus as well.
Sign Sanchez/Haren to replace him. You might not think Sanchez is as good as Buchholz and he may not be, but his rWAR has been higher every year besides 2010.
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Post by welovewally on Oct 13, 2012 21:17:53 GMT -5
I like the idea of acquiring Upton with Iglesias as the center piece but I would hate to include any other of our top prospects in the deal especially a Pitcher. That being said I believe we will be set for the foreseeable future at 3B & 2B and we have other (and I believe better) SS prospects in the system so I wonder if Morales, Iglesias, Cecchini & Coyle would be enough.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Oct 14, 2012 10:16:25 GMT -5
I like the idea of acquiring Upton with Iglesias as the center piece but I would hate to include any other of our top prospects in the deal especially a Pitcher. That being said I believe we will be set for the foreseeable future at 3B & 2B and we have other (and I believe better) SS prospects in the system so I wonder if Morales, Iglesias, Cecchini & Coyle would be enough.Would [long list of guys I really wouldn't miss] be enough to land [my favorite budding star]? NO. The answer is always no. For serious. Along the same lines, LOLZ @ Ellsbury-for-Andrus.
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Post by nomar on Oct 14, 2012 11:31:02 GMT -5
Along the same lines, LOLZ @ Ellsbury-for-Andrus. How is that funny at all? Andrrus is expendable and Hamilton is leaving.
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Post by jmei on Oct 14, 2012 12:15:53 GMT -5
Andrus is signed for an extra year, younger, cheaper, has much less injury history, is more consistent, plays at a position with less otherwise available talent, and arguably provides similar value on the field. There is slim to no chance Ellsbury alone is sufficient to acquire Andrus. You'll note that noone other than Red Sox blogs/fans takes a straight Andrus-Ellsbury trade seriously.
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Post by nomar on Oct 14, 2012 17:20:13 GMT -5
I hope people realize that Andrus' ceiling isnt much higher than where he's at now. He has absolutely no power, is only going to get slower, and will only get worse defensively.
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