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Sox talking long-term extension with Pedroia
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Jul 19, 2013 17:11:35 GMT -5
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Post by bjb406 on Jul 19, 2013 17:25:02 GMT -5
I kind of like the timing of it. It Allows Cano to use Pedroia's deal as a baseline in his negotiations, and for Pedroia to briefly be called the highest paid second basemen, rather than forcing us to possibly have to match Cano's deal a year or so from now.
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Post by jmei on Jul 19, 2013 17:47:52 GMT -5
This is going to be an unpopular opinion, but a five year, $100m extension tacked on to Pedroia's existing deal is probably not the best idea in the world considering the all-out nature of Pedroia's play and his lengthy injury history. Sure, he's been able to play through injuries so far and would obviously be a great candidate to be the next face of the franchise when Ortiz retires. But Pedroia is older than the usual players who get this type of "franchise player" extension (he'll be 31 when he starts it and 35 when he ends it) and plays a demanding defensive position (from which he derives a lot of his value). The Twins, for instance, are probably already regretting their extension with Mauer. I would much prefer that it replaces his existing contract, although even that (which would essentially be a three year, $79m extension) would be quite hefty. I guess inflation does wipe out some of the risk, though.
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Post by wskeleton76 on Jul 19, 2013 17:51:30 GMT -5
This is going to be an unpopular opinion, but a five year, $100m extension tacked on to Pedroia's existing deal is probably not the best idea in the world considering the all-out nature of Pedroia's play and his lengthy injury history. Sure, he's been able to play through injuries so far and would obviously be a great candidate to be the next face of the franchise when Ortiz retires. But Pedroia is older than the usual players who get this type of "franchise player" extension (he'll be 31 when he starts it and 35 when he ends it) and plays a demanding defensive position (from which he derives a lot of his value). The Twins, for instance, are probably already regretting their extension with Mauer. I would much prefer that it replaces his existing contract, although even that (which would essentially be a three year, $79m extension) would be quite hefty. I guess inflation does wipe out some of the risk, though. I agree with you. Everybody loves Pedroia. But he won't perform well for a long time.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 19, 2013 18:05:10 GMT -5
Hard to say how he'll age with his performance being almost all bat speed and range on defense.
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 19, 2013 18:07:19 GMT -5
you also have to factor in that they are doing this now, because his price will go UP!! once cano inks a new contract....
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 19, 2013 18:14:04 GMT -5
You know what? I don't care if he'll be worth it. He's gotta be a Red Sox for life. They have plenty of money moving forward and won't need a lot of it because of all the kids coming up. And no one could possibly begrudge him for being the highest paid player on the team.
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Post by nothingball on Jul 19, 2013 18:16:46 GMT -5
I believe that the extension would be in the best interest of both parties. Pedroia has the skills that translate well into the end of career. He's never relied on HR power or top-notch speed to be effective. Rather, he hits line-drive doubles and fields everything in his range. While we can expect diminished bat speed in addition to range, I feel this likely only lowers his value from top 3, to above-average. Throw in the premium position and Boston icon bit and you've got yourself a candidate for a Redsox lifer. I'd certainly pause and consider his injury history, maybe throw in a clause or two, however I still would get this done.
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Post by TheCerebral1 on Jul 19, 2013 19:03:57 GMT -5
I am not upset with this at all. Sometimes you have to sign the guys tha tare the face of the franchise. It is what it is.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 19, 2013 19:55:43 GMT -5
It depends in how it goes. A 5 year extension at $20 tacked into the next 2 years doesn't make sense to me. That's 7 more years seems a lot
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jul 19, 2013 20:10:15 GMT -5
This is going to be an unpopular opinion, but a five year, $100m extension tacked on to Pedroia's existing deal is probably not the best idea in the world considering the all-out nature of Pedroia's play and his lengthy injury history. Sure, he's been able to play through injuries so far and would obviously be a great candidate to be the next face of the franchise when Ortiz retires. But Pedroia is older than the usual players who get this type of "franchise player" extension (he'll be 31 when he starts it and 35 when he ends it) and plays a demanding defensive position (from which he derives a lot of his value). The Twins, for instance, are probably already regretting their extension with Mauer. I would much prefer that it replaces his existing contract, although even that (which would essentially be a three year, $79m extension) would be quite hefty. I guess inflation does wipe out some of the risk, though. Love the player. Hate, hate, hate, HATE this (theoretical) extension. HATE IT.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jul 19, 2013 20:18:45 GMT -5
You know what? I don't care if he'll be worth it. He's gotta be a Red Sox for life. They have plenty of money moving forward and won't need a lot of it because of all the kids coming up. And no one could possibly begrudge him for being the highest paid player on the team. That's why Phillies fans are so happy that Ryan Howard is still on the team, right? For that matter, do you think Cardinals fans are mourning the loss of Pujols much these days?
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Post by wcp3 on Jul 19, 2013 20:24:06 GMT -5
I'm a huge Pedroia fan, and five years isn't the worst thing in the world ... but that's a dreadful contract. No reason to give that much, either.
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 19, 2013 20:31:08 GMT -5
This is going to be an unpopular opinion, but a five year, $100m extension tacked on to Pedroia's existing deal is probably not the best idea in the world considering the all-out nature of Pedroia's play and his lengthy injury history. Sure, he's been able to play through injuries so far and would obviously be a great candidate to be the next face of the franchise when Ortiz retires. But Pedroia is older than the usual players who get this type of "franchise player" extension (he'll be 31 when he starts it and 35 when he ends it) and plays a demanding defensive position (from which he derives a lot of his value). The Twins, for instance, are probably already regretting their extension with Mauer. I would much prefer that it replaces his existing contract, although even that (which would essentially be a three year, $79m extension) would be quite hefty. I guess inflation does wipe out some of the risk, though. Love the player. Hate, hate, hate, HATE this (theoretical) extension. HATE IT. I'm a huge Pedroia fan, and five years isn't the worst thing in the world ... but that's a dreadful contract. No reason to give that much, either. Like I said, once Cano signs his contract, im pretty sure that will be the benchmark for Pedroia.. So its either do it now, or pay more later. And dont you think about letting him walk, or else sox fans will riot
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jul 19, 2013 20:33:17 GMT -5
Like I said, once Cano signs his contract, im pretty sure that will be the benchmark for Pedroia.. So its either do it now, or pay more later. And dont you think about letting him walk, or else sox fans will riot Yeah. Let's just let the fans make all the baseball decisions. That's a great way to run a team. If the team wins, the fans will be happy and if it doesn't they won't. It's that simple. Again, was any player more the "face of a franchise" than Pujols?
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 19, 2013 20:35:07 GMT -5
Like I said, once Cano signs his contract, im pretty sure that will be the benchmark for Pedroia.. So its either do it now, or pay more later. And dont you think about letting him walk, or else sox fans will riot Yeah. Let's just let the fans make all the baseball decisions. That's a great way to run a team. you dont think if the sox dont pay pedroia fans would be fine? he is the face of the franchise next to ortiz
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jul 19, 2013 20:37:04 GMT -5
you dont think if the sox dont pay pedroia fans would be fine? If the team is good, yes. You know, the whole "fans will riot if they don't pay this guy" thing goes out the window real quick once that player becomes expensive and unproductive.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jul 19, 2013 20:37:28 GMT -5
This is going to be an unpopular opinion, but a five year, $100m extension tacked on to Pedroia's existing deal is probably not the best idea in the world considering the all-out nature of Pedroia's play and his lengthy injury history. Sure, he's been able to play through injuries so far and would obviously be a great candidate to be the next face of the franchise when Ortiz retires. But Pedroia is older than the usual players who get this type of "franchise player" extension (he'll be 31 when he starts it and 35 when he ends it) and plays a demanding defensive position (from which he derives a lot of his value). The Twins, for instance, are probably already regretting their extension with Mauer. I would much prefer that it replaces his existing contract, although even that (which would essentially be a three year, $79m extension) would be quite hefty. I guess inflation does wipe out some of the risk, though. Not unpopular here. If the 2 sides could get Pedey to go for, say 3/60m, with a team option, maybe drop the option year of his original contract contract as a way of making it more palatable to him would be better. I don't like the idea of paying out 20mAAV salaries to anyone into their mid 30's regardless of who they are myself, unless is a prototype middle of the order bat.
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 19, 2013 20:39:29 GMT -5
you dont think if the sox dont pay pedroia fans would be fine? If the team is good, yes. You know, the whole "fans will riot if they don't pay this guy" thing goes out the window real quick once that player becomes expensive and unproductive. yes, but pedroia is in the top 5 of 2B in the MLB, so we should lowball him? its not like this contract is going to punto.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jul 19, 2013 20:44:04 GMT -5
yes, but pedroia is in the top 5 of 2B in the MLB, so we should lowball him? Yeah, probably.
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 19, 2013 20:45:29 GMT -5
yes, but pedroia is in the top 5 of 2B in the MLB, so we should lowball him? Yeah, probably. Brandon Phillips- 6 Years/72.5 million Dan Uggla- 5 years/62 million Ian Kinsler: 5 years/75 million all recent contract extensions
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Post by jmei on Jul 19, 2013 20:52:11 GMT -5
The Red Sox have two years of team control left at bargain rates, after which Pedroia will be 31 and entering his decline phase. Why should they be trying to pay well above-market rates for a second baseman, even one of the best ones in the league?
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jul 19, 2013 20:54:20 GMT -5
The Red Sox have two years of team control left at bargain rates, after which Pedroia will be 31 and entering his decline phase. Why should they be trying to pay well above-market rates for a second baseman, even one of the best ones in the league? Honestly, when was the last time a team signed a guy on the wrong side of 30 to a premium contract and didn't regret it almost immediately?
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 19, 2013 20:56:45 GMT -5
They have 2 more years at 10 per, no reason to pay top market value two years early. Pretty sure a 5/100M contract for a 31 year old second baseman would be enough so why do it now? Drop the option and give him 4/80 so you have him 5/90... Still the richest extension and you cut off 2 years 30M.
Love the guy but don't be dumb because we all love what he brings.
I also disagree with the post that hs skills age well. You see his swing?
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jul 19, 2013 20:58:01 GMT -5
Brandon Phillips- 6 Years/72.5 million Dan Uggla- 5 years/62 million Ian Kinsler: 5 years/75 million all recent contract extensions Yeah and, assuming the Red Sox didn't already have Pedroia, would you be looking to trade for any of those contracts?
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