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Post by jimed14 on Jul 20, 2013 17:10:15 GMT -5
He has many years to get to that point. Jeter hasn't produced anywhere near his contract for a long time and he's still the leader of the Yankees. Stop comparing Jeter and Pedey. They aren't comparable. Jeter is an icon. So what? He's also not Beckett or Agon.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 20, 2013 17:12:51 GMT -5
Stop comparing Jeter and Pedey. They aren't comparable. Jeter is an icon. So what? He's also not Beckett or Agon. Great point keep rolling with the comp then.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 20, 2013 17:14:04 GMT -5
So what? He's also not Beckett or Agon. Great point keep rolling with the comp then. He's as important to the Sox as Jeter is to the Yankees.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 20, 2013 17:17:02 GMT -5
I want him here too, but doesn't mean you give him money now. Unless he gets a 2 out RBI here
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 20, 2013 17:18:11 GMT -5
I want him here too, but doesn't mean you give him money now. Unless he gets a 2 out RBI here Haha!
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Post by ray88h66 on Jul 20, 2013 18:29:37 GMT -5
My biggest question is why give a top market deal 2.5 years before you have to? How is that ever logical? Because another contract may bump yours up a bit? Doesn't the 2.5 years of potential injury and decline for a 29 year old who plays with reckless abandon out weight that? If you still want to give him that money 2.5 years from now, you can. Yes. That's how I look at it.
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 20, 2013 18:36:52 GMT -5
If there is anyone to sign to an unreasonable contract, it's Pedey. He's not an asshole like Beckett and he's not a wet mop like Agon. Josh Beckett was the Leader Of The Rotation before he started to suck, and Gonzalez was the Model Teammate who taught Ortiz how to hit lefties before he stopped hitting. Pedroia will go from Team Leader to Arrogant Jerk the second his production falls off. Pedroia is the polar opposite of A-gon and beckett. He has as much of a chance to become a clubhouse cancer as I do of marrying kate upton
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Post by ray88h66 on Jul 20, 2013 18:50:44 GMT -5
If there is anyone to sign to an unreasonable contract, it's Pedey. He's not an asshole like Beckett and he's not a wet mop like Agon. Josh Beckett was the Leader Of The Rotation before he started to suck, and Gonzalez was the Model Teammate who taught Ortiz how to hit lefties before he stopped hitting. Pedroia will go from Team Leader to Arrogant Jerk the second his production falls off.
I think you're winning the debate, but no way.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jul 20, 2013 21:32:54 GMT -5
He has many years to get to that point. Jeter hasn't produced anywhere near his contract for a long time and he's still the leader of the Yankees. Stop comparing Jeter and Pedey. They aren't comparable. Jeter is an icon. Jeter never won an MVP
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jul 20, 2013 22:15:24 GMT -5
He probably should have won a couple, and Pedroia is just holding onto one of Mauer's MVPs.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jul 21, 2013 12:35:56 GMT -5
He probably should have won a couple, and Pedroia is just holding onto one of Mauer's MVPs. ... If you say so
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Post by Don Caballero on Jul 21, 2013 13:08:09 GMT -5
He probably should have won a couple, and Pedroia is just holding onto one of Mauer's MVPs. People need to know that MVP is not an objective award. The valuable in its name does not stand for exclusively for the stats. Sometimes it's the narrative, sometimes is a weird je ne sais quoi based on random stats like winning the triple crown or consecutive games with a hit. It's like trying to tell who was the best player on the field with the best story. And that's not even mentioning that Pedroia had a better 2008 than Mauer, which renders your post even more meaningless.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jul 21, 2013 14:10:42 GMT -5
He probably should have won a couple, and Pedroia is just holding onto one of Mauer's MVPs. People need to know that MVP is not an objective award. The valuable in its name does not stand for exclusively for the stats. Sometimes it's the narrative, sometimes is a weird je ne sais quoi based on random stats like winning the triple crown or consecutive games with a hit. It's like trying to tell who was the best player on the field with the best story. And that's not even mentioning that Pedroia had a better 2008 than Mauer, which renders your post even more meaningless. Je ne sais quois? C'mon man.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jul 21, 2013 14:34:57 GMT -5
People need to know that MVP is not an objective award. The valuable in its name does not stand for exclusively for the stats. Sometimes it's the narrative, sometimes is a weird je ne sais quoi based on random stats like winning the triple crown or consecutive games with a hit. It's like trying to tell who was the best player on the field with the best story. And that's not even mentioning that Pedroia had a better 2008 than Mauer, which renders your post even more meaningless. No, it's an award where writers tie themselves in logical knots figuring out how to best spit in the eye of the analyst community. What, you want to just give it to the best hitter? No, it's clearly Jimmy Rollins, you dumb statheads don't understand the value of a complete player with speed and defense. Oh, you think it's Mike Trout because of his speed and defense? Clearly it has to go to the best hitter in the league... I have to admit, going looking at the 2008 season, it's a lot closer than in my memory. I'd still vote for Mauer (better hitter than Pedroia at catcher), but there were probably five or six defensible choices that year and Pedroia was definitely one of them. Anyway, not really a discussion for this thread.
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