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Post by kungfuizzy on Jul 31, 2013 13:52:46 GMT -5
Young I would take if the cost is next to nothing. If its a straight salary dump they could do a lot worse.
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Post by burythehammer on Jul 31, 2013 13:53:49 GMT -5
Ah, well if they're looking for a bat, Beltre isn't available. Not going to happen, but jeez would I love Joey Bats hitting behind Papi. Would it not be wonderful if Alex A believes the potential #1 starter hype on Webster and RDLR? "Would it not be wonderful if we could get Player X for way less than he's worth" - said every baseball fan ever about anyone
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Post by bjb406 on Jul 31, 2013 14:03:48 GMT -5
JIM BOWDEN ?@jimbowdenespnxm 42s Despite denials I still think Young to Red Sox has better than a 50/50 chance of happening in final hour of deadline...makes too much sense Am I the only one who finds this tweet hilarious? Jim Bowden thinks it makes too much sense? I think that is the surest indicator that is would be completely asinine. Also, Bowden is tweating his own opinion as if it actually matters? hysterical.
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Post by soxfanatic on Jul 31, 2013 14:03:49 GMT -5
JIM BOWDEN ?@jimbowdenespnxm 1m Padres are done. Gregerson NOT getting traded #source
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2013 14:41:34 GMT -5
Justin Maxwell to Royals for Kyle Smith.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 31, 2013 14:43:18 GMT -5
Norris to the O's. Big whoop. For Hoes.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2013 14:44:52 GMT -5
JimEd Beat Me!
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Post by bluechip on Jul 31, 2013 14:52:48 GMT -5
Solid back end of the rotation starter for them. Not a guy that will necessarily someone I would fear facing in the postseason.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2013 15:03:37 GMT -5
Solid back end of the rotation starter for them. Not a guy that will necessarily someone I would fear facing in the postseason. On BBTN last night Law said that some teams liked Norris in the pen. Perhaps the Sox should have inquired about that as the price didn't seem to high. If only Brentz hadn't hurt himself.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 31, 2013 15:17:57 GMT -5
Norris is about equal to acquiring Bedard in 2011. His peripherals are frightening.
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Post by bluechip on Jul 31, 2013 15:19:24 GMT -5
It looks pretty certain that Michael Young was not traded. I am really happy that he will not be playing third base for the Red Sox. That guy has no range at all. I would not have been opposed to the Yankees giving up something valuable for him though...
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Post by danr on Jul 31, 2013 15:24:39 GMT -5
Young in Phillies lineup at 1B. Obviously not going to the Sox, thank goodness.
Now, how long will they go with the platoon at 3B?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2013 15:38:57 GMT -5
Looks like Aramis Ramirez might be out for the year, so it does look like whomever plays 3B is already in the org.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 31, 2013 15:49:53 GMT -5
Looks like Aramis Ramirez might be out for the year, so it does look like whomever plays 3B is already in the org. Think Michael Young would clear waivers?
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Post by bluechip on Jul 31, 2013 15:52:30 GMT -5
Looks like Aramis Ramirez might be out for the year, so it does look like whomever plays 3B is already in the org. Think Michael Young would clear waivers? The Yankees or O's might claim him
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2013 15:52:34 GMT -5
Looks like Aramis Ramirez might be out for the year, so it does look like whomever plays 3B is already in the org. Think Michael Young would clear waivers? No wouldn't get through NYY.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2013 15:57:59 GMT -5
MLB Trade Rumors reporting Norris deal more complex. In addition to Hoes get Josh Hader, and competitive balance pick. O's get Intl slot. Luhnow really doing a great job over there.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 31, 2013 16:01:11 GMT -5
Seems like a lot for Norris. I'd expect to get someone around Hoes' level by himself for Dempster this winter.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jul 31, 2013 16:31:12 GMT -5
Well, that was pretty boring.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jul 31, 2013 17:09:04 GMT -5
Well, that was pretty boring. Yes it was. Happened to catch the tail end of the MLB network's broadcast as the clock wound down to the witching hour. Harold Reynolds did all he could to try and liven things up, but he doesn't quite have enough knowledge of the prospects who are in play to do that. He does take cues from Verducci well, but he keeps to generalities usually. The ten minutes I watched ended up being repetitive and, as you say, boring. There was hardly anything going on. I think we're starting to see the long-term effects of the CBA play out. Teams are hoarding their prospects for the most part. That's where the value is perceived to be now. The spending cap on draft signings is hard enough that you can add potential value at a relatively reasonable price without the bidding war and the jockeying that drove prices up. Good for the teams, but less good for the draftees. And for those GMs who didn't catch on quickly enough, or who got stuck holding expensive assets when the music stopped, it's tough. Things look stark for the Phillies at this point, what with Howard, Papelbon, Young, Utley, Rollins, even Halladay - and maybe Lee in a year or so - under-performing those contracts. They've got quite an outlay for players who's pull date has come and gone. Welcome to the new reality.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jul 31, 2013 17:51:42 GMT -5
I think there's a number of factors at play here. Some of them are factors of the current CBA and the modern MLB ecosystem in general, and some are specific to this year. First off, you've got the extra wildcard out there, reducing the number of sellers. Second, you've got the TV money (bubble?) pouring into the game, fueling the trend of teams locking up their best young players and reducing the number of times you see a premium player like Carlos Beltran hit the market in advance of his impending free agency. Finally, front offices are just smarter and more analytical in general, and they recognize that trading top prospects for a rental player is in general a very poor investment. Those are the general factors.
Specific to this year though, you have a number of teams with records that SHOULD make them sellers not selling for various reasons. The Phillies and the Royals both have GMs who are stubborn about selling for various reasons, mostly relating to their job security and of course general incompetence. You've got the Angels, but with their commitments to Hamilton and Pujols, they're really not in a position to rebuild. The Blue Jays are in a similar situation, where they've imploded, but they've just gutted their farm system and they're bringing back a quality lineup next year, so rebuilding doesn't make a lot of sense for them either. Ditto the Nationals, who are still trying to win in the Harper/Strasburg era. The Yankees should really be selling* and Cashman seems to know it, but ownership doesn't and is going over his head to bring in the faded remains of Alfonso Soriano. The Twins record should make them sellers but they don't have anything to sell (well they should clearly flip their closers, but PROVEN CLOSER and everything, not like those guys ever blow up). Then there's the Mets and the Giants, who didn't sell anything for reasons beyond my understanding.
*They should really trade Cano and resign him in the offseason. It's not like he's going to give them a hometown discount.
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Post by ray88h66 on Jul 31, 2013 17:56:51 GMT -5
I think there's a number of factors at play here. Some of them are factors of the current CBA and the modern MLB ecosystem in general, and some are specific to this year. First off, you've got the extra wildcard out there, reducing the number of sellers. Second, you've got the TV money (bubble?) pouring into the game, fueling the trend of teams locking up their best young players and reducing the number of times you see a premium player like Carlos Beltran hit the market in advance of his impending free agency. Finally, front offices are just smarter and more analytical in general, and they recognize that trading top prospects for a rental player is in general a very poor investment. Those are the general factors. Specific to this year though, you have a number of teams with records that SHOULD make them sellers not selling for various reasons. The Phillies and the Royals both have GMs who are stubborn about selling for various reasons, mostly relating to their job security and of course general incompetence. You've got the Angels, but with their commitments to Hamilton and Pujols, they're really not in a position to rebuild. The Blue Jays are in a similar situation, where they've imploded, but they've just gutted their farm system and they're bringing back a quality lineup next year, so rebuilding doesn't make a lot of sense for them either. Ditto the Nationals, who are still trying to win in the Harper/Strasburg era. The Yankees should really be selling* and Cashman seems to know it, but ownership doesn't and is going over his head to bring in the faded remains of Alfonso Soriano. The Twins record should make them sellers but they don't have anything to sell (well they should clearly flip their closers, but PROVEN CLOSER and everything, not like those guys ever blow up). Then there's the Mets and the Giants, who didn't sell anything for reasons beyond my understanding. *They should really trade Cano and resign him in the offseason. It's not like he's going to give them a hometown discount. All of that is right.
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Post by bjb406 on Jul 31, 2013 17:59:29 GMT -5
*They should really trade Cano and resign him in the offseason. It's not like he's going to give them a hometown discount. The problem with that strategy as a rule is you would be taking away the draft pick penalty for another team signing him, which drives up the price and brings more competition to sign him.
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Post by bluechip on Jul 31, 2013 18:15:19 GMT -5
Well, that was pretty boring. Yes it was. Happened to catch the tail end of the MLB network's broadcast as the clock wound down to the witching hour. Harold Reynolds did all he could to try and liven things up, but he doesn't quite have enough knowledge of the prospects who are in play to do that. He does take cues from Verducci well, but he keeps to generalities usually. The ten minutes I watched ended up being repetitive and, as you say, boring. There was hardly anything going on. I think we're starting to see the long-term effects of the CBA play out. Teams are hoarding their prospects for the most part. That's where the value is perceived to be now. The spending cap on draft signings is hard enough that you can add potential value at a relatively reasonable price without the bidding war and the jockeying that drove prices up. Good for the teams, but less good for the draftees. And for those GMs who didn't catch on quickly enough, or who got stuck holding expensive assets when the music stopped, it's tough. Things look stark for the Phillies at this point, what with Howard, Papelbon, Young, Utley, Rollins, even Halladay - and maybe Lee in a year or so - under-performing those contracts. They've got quite an outlay for players who's pull date has come and gone. Welcome to the new reality. Amaro still hasn't figured it out that no one is going to take Lee's contract and give up four premium prospects.
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Jul 31, 2013 18:30:14 GMT -5
As if anybody didn't already know that Amaro is an idiot.
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