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Post by sarasoxer on Jul 25, 2013 8:35:27 GMT -5
Rob Bradford ?@bradfo 1u Lucchino confirms to @gerrycallahan @johndennisweei @kirkmin that pitcher Gonzalez represents ideal kind of acquisition: no cost but money Yes, Yes & Yes. Lucchino is spot on. We finally have a good looking farm system and I don't want to blow it. Want Peavy?....Good give any three of our prospects......from 28 ranked on down.
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Post by bluechip on Jul 25, 2013 9:28:23 GMT -5
Rob Bradford ?@bradfo 1u Lucchino confirms to @gerrycallahan @johndennisweei @kirkmin that pitcher Gonzalez represents ideal kind of acquisition: no cost but money Yes, Yes & Yes. Lucchino is spot on. We finally have a good looking farm system and I don't want to blow it. Want Peavy?....Good give any three of our prospects......from 28 ranked on down. I like Peavy well enough if the cost is Marrero, Britton/Workman, and Montas. That is not a really sexy package (no top 100 prospect), so I would prefer an accquistion LIKE Gonzalez (ie costing only money). If the Red Sox are confident that Gonzalez can do what El Duque did for the Yankees in 1998, then I am all for it. He has already been pitching in AAA, so in theory, he wouldn't need to many starts in Pawtucket before joining the MLB rotation. The decision really comes down to whether the Red Sox saw enough in Mexico to believe in Gonzalez. We don't have enough criticize signing or not signing him.
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Post by hammerhead on Jul 25, 2013 9:33:18 GMT -5
I think Mag is the perfect situation. I think Workman is a safe bet to outperform Peavy for the rest of eternity. I wouldn't touch Peavy with any prospects in the top 30 (soxprospects list). Peavy is a salary dump, you don't give up anything of value to take him off the white sox hands.
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Post by buffs4444 on Jul 25, 2013 10:48:52 GMT -5
News/Credible Rumors should be posted in the Trade Deadline Thread - News and Credible Rumors Only thread to keep a constant log and reliable place for members who wish to see news/rumors only.
Trade Deadline discussion warrants its own place on the main board, outside the shackles of the Trade Subforum dungeon. Specific proposals should still be limited to the dungeon, er, Trade Subforum. Discussion of rumors, team needs, etc however does deserve its own place.
Moderators, with whom I've worked with several in the past, and all of whom I respect greatly, I would request this thread remain for the next 7 days to confine discussion that is relevant to fans of the site and is also beneficial for the site as a whole (more discussion = more hits = more better good business).
Discuss.....
Needs: bullpen, starter(?), long term building blocks Potential Targets: Jake Peavy (CHW), Miguel Alfredo Gonzalez (Cuba FA), etc
Personally, I'm of the opinion anyone outside Xander and Bradley (replacing Ellsbury in '14) could potentially be available. That being said, I wouldn't trade any for a rental or any non-building block type player going forward. Sign Gonzalez and let the kids play to fill the holes, they'll benefit from this experience long term.
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Post by burythehammer on Jul 25, 2013 11:03:38 GMT -5
Is it likely that Gonzalez pitchs in the majors this year?
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 25, 2013 11:14:51 GMT -5
Moderators, with whom I've worked with several in the past, and all of whom I respect greatly, I would request this thread remain for the next 7 days to confine discussion that is relevant to fans of the site and is also beneficial for the site as a whole (more discussion = more hits = more better good business). This thread will stay open on the main board until it is locked on August 1 and will be a free-form discussion forum on potential trades (Red Sox and otherwise). Completed trades should go in their own threads. The other thread is for news and rumors only - no discussion. Offending posts will continue to be deleted from that thread.
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Post by jmei on Jul 25, 2013 11:29:50 GMT -5
I think Mag is the perfect situation. I think Workman is a safe bet to outperform Peavy for the rest of eternity. I wouldn't touch Peavy with any prospects in the top 30 (soxprospects list). Peavy is a salary dump, you don't give up anything of value to take him off the white sox hands. www.fangraphs.com/blogs/jake-peavy-is-not-matt-garza-might-be-better/
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Post by jmei on Jul 25, 2013 11:36:07 GMT -5
I moved in some posts from another thread so the chronology is funny.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jul 25, 2013 11:58:05 GMT -5
I'd really hate to see the team give up Workman in any deal for Peavy. If the team is going to give in and make a move for a pitcher with history of injuries and pitching on borrowed time anyway? Move Ranaudo, Have doubts he'll ever last, if even make it as a back end SP anyway, then talk about moving Middlebrooks.
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Post by jdb on Jul 25, 2013 12:06:09 GMT -5
I'm not sure if Workman would hold up a good deal in my eyes but I like him to. At worst I think he'd be a hell of a 6th starter swing type who could come in a pitch 3+ innings any given night to bail out the pen.
Peavy has a big start today and I wouldn't hesitate to put WMBs in that deal.
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Post by hammerhead on Jul 25, 2013 12:10:10 GMT -5
Peavy is an above average pitcher. He probably would give you a better game performance than Garza. The problem is he can't help you when he's on the DL with Buchholz. You don't fill one injury problem with another. Then on top of that people are suggesting trading two cost-controlled moderate ceiling players for him? To me that's crazy. That doesn't even take into account the fact that Peavy is due 15mil next season.
I wouldn't do Peavy for Workman straight up , Workman has pitched against two playoff caliber teams and held his own. If the goal was to see what we have in Workman, then I think that happened.... we have an above average major league pitcher.
I wouldn't do Middlebrooks for Peavy straight up , Middlebrooks is at the all-time low in value. He's too good of a commodity to be selling low on.
Sign MAG , give him 2 or 3 starts in AAA and then let him run with it. There's nothing to loose by signing him especially because it's not my money.
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Post by soxfan06 on Jul 25, 2013 12:12:07 GMT -5
Regardless of what the Sox do at the deadline, I think they should sign MAG. He may not be a stud, but we have the money and we can always use more arms. I'm sick of seeing the Dodgers and Rangers sign these guys.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 25, 2013 12:15:07 GMT -5
Keith Law - so according to this board, it's either Gospel or manure:
Adam (Dallas) Have you had a chance to see/hear about Miguel Alfredo Gonzalez? Does he project as a front-end starter or something lesser?
Klaw (1:08 PM) Haven't seen except a little video. Have talked to several scouts who did, general reports seem to have him as a likely above-average MLB starter, fastball up to 96, plus slider, four pitches, arm works. I can't imagine dealing with the inflation in Cuban free agents, but he's got to be worth $40MM+ in this market.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jul 25, 2013 12:20:51 GMT -5
Put me in the don't want to deal WMB for Peavy. I see him playing more 3b as the season winds down. Iggy plays SS against lhp and pitchers WMB will prob have contact issues with.
I'd deal Webster before the other guys. He's Joe Cowley II to me. Oh, he'll probably thrown a no-hitter some day. And, have a great 15 start stretch. Not hanging my hat on him. Workman throws strikes and looks to be able to help the pen at worse. Spot start occasionally. Not sure what we have in Ranaudo yet.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 25, 2013 12:28:47 GMT -5
Put me in the don't want to deal WMB for Peavy. I see him playing more 3b as the season winds down. Iggy plays SS against lhp and pitchers WMB will prob have contact issues with. I'd deal Webster before the other guys. He's Joe Cowley II to me. Oh, he'll probably thrown a no-hitter some day. And, have a great 15 start stretch. Not hanging my hat on him. Workman throws strikes and looks to be able to help the pen at worse. Spot start occasionally. Not sure what we have in Ranaudo yet. Mega Props for dropping that name.
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Post by charliezink16 on Jul 25, 2013 12:29:22 GMT -5
Personally, I hope Boston signs MAG simply because be projects as an above average starter, has 4+ years of team control, would cost nothing from the farm, and may even have more upside than most believe once he's under the wings of a professional system. I, too, like the idea of trading for Peavy, but only for a lesser package than TEX gave up for Garza. Unfortunately, Buster Olney joined Speier (I believe) yesterday and said: from what he's heard, Peavy's extra year of team control means that the package used to trade for him will have to include MORE than that of the Garza trade. So yes, sign me up for MAG instead.
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Post by hammerhead on Jul 25, 2013 12:44:00 GMT -5
Another benefit of signing Mag besides the fact that he doesn't cost prospects is that you are keeping him away from your potential competition. Texas, Oakland, Baltimore, Yankees, Detroit all could end up using this guy to beat us in the playoffs, keep us from the playoffs, or have to face him down the road.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jul 25, 2013 12:57:09 GMT -5
Another benefit of signing Mag besides the fact that he doesn't cost prospects is that you are keeping him away from your potential competition. Texas, Oakland, Baltimore, Yankees, Detroit all could end up using this guy to beat us in the playoffs, keep us from the playoffs, or have to face him down the road. Gonzales is a moot point. He's going to the Dodgers. Wouldn't mind facing him in the World Series.
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Post by bluechip on Jul 25, 2013 13:14:39 GMT -5
Another benefit of signing Mag besides the fact that he doesn't cost prospects is that you are keeping him away from your potential competition. Texas, Oakland, Baltimore, Yankees, Detroit all could end up using this guy to beat us in the playoffs, keep us from the playoffs, or have to face him down the road. Gonzales is a moot point. He's going to the Dodgers. Wouldn't mind facing him in the World Series. The rumors over the last few days have consistently said the Dodgers are not in on MAG.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jul 25, 2013 13:16:49 GMT -5
If the reports are true that the Dodgers are out of the running then it has to be between Theo and Ben right now.
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Post by jimoh on Jul 25, 2013 13:23:35 GMT -5
If Gonzalez can be an above-average starter 2014-17 as Law says I overpay now.
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Post by jdb on Jul 25, 2013 13:53:40 GMT -5
If Gonzalez can be an above-average starter 2014-17 as Law says I overpay now. Agree with everything including your time frame. Some seem to think he could slot directly into the rotation but I just don't see it. He might need 3-6 weeks at the Fort on top of some minor league outings. I would guess he could be used out of the pen mid to late Sept.
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Post by mgoetze on Jul 25, 2013 13:57:18 GMT -5
Peavy so far tonight: 3 IP, 9 batters faced, 1 BB 3 K.
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Post by bluechip on Jul 25, 2013 14:09:38 GMT -5
If Gonzalez can be an above-average starter 2014-17 as Law says I overpay now. Agree with everything including your time frame. Some seem to think he could slot directly into the rotation but I just don't see it. He might need 3-6 weeks at the Fort on top of some minor league outings. I would guess he could be used out of the pen mid to late Sept. Well my understanding is that he is/was pitching for the Tijuana Toros, which would classify as AAA. So you would probably move him to your affiliated AAA team when he is signed, for a tune up. Then hopefully he could step into an MLB rotation.
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Post by jimoh on Jul 25, 2013 14:17:09 GMT -5
Agree with everything including your time frame. Some seem to think he could slot directly into the rotation but I just don't see it. He might need 3-6 weeks at the Fort on top of some minor league outings. I would guess he could be used out of the pen mid to late Sept. Well my understanding is that he is/was pitching for the Tijuana Toros, which would classify as AAA. So you would probably move him to your affiliated AAA team when he is signed, for a tune up. Then hopefully he could step into an MLB rotation. at some time in June he had pitched a 1-inning and a 5-inning stint for the Toros; the latter was when Ben and the kazillion scouts saw him. Discussion and career stats and 12-min vid from three weeks ago www.obstructedview.net/news-and-rumors/miguel-alfredo-gonzalez-stats.html
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