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Post by soxfanatic on Jul 25, 2013 14:23:37 GMT -5
I'm definitely intrigued by Miguel Gonzalez.
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Post by mgoetze on Jul 25, 2013 15:07:53 GMT -5
Peavy so far tonight: 3 IP, 9 batters faced, 1 BB 3 K. I obviously jinxed him as he followed up immediately by giving a single and a home run. But he will get the all-important "W" as Verlander is being destroyed by the mighty White Sox offense, 7-2 after 6.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2013 15:19:27 GMT -5
Peavy so far tonight: 3 IP, 9 batters faced, 1 BB 3 K. Peavy on BP "What Scouts Are Saying" Today. What I've always seen in Peavy is his willingness to compete, a guy who pitches above his stuff if you will. He's an awfully good pitcher, and signed for next year at a reasonable cost. You want him. I understand not wanting to give up too much. But those posters who don't want to give up Workman or Middlebrooks for him are seriously overrating our players. Middlebrooks might be worthless in a year, and even if you believe in Workman, he's a back-end guy. If those guys are the best players in the trade you do it. In a heartbeat.
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Post by jdb on Jul 25, 2013 15:26:45 GMT -5
Gammo Keep hearing White Sox need pitching for Peavy, as 5 of their 6 best prospects are position players.
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Post by mgoetze on Jul 25, 2013 15:28:27 GMT -5
WMB for Peavy would be ridiculously good for the Red Sox. Workman... tough to say where he really stands right now. I would be sad to see him go but would accept that it's probably rational.
WMB, Britton and PTBNL for Peavy... wishful thinking on my part or could it be enough?
As I write this, Peavy leaves game in 8th inning after giving up 3rd HR on pitch #118.
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Post by bluechip on Jul 25, 2013 15:30:29 GMT -5
Gammo Keep hearing White Sox need pitching for Peavy, as 5 of their 6 best prospects are position players. I know that a loy of white sox fans want position player, FWIW. Red Sox do have lots of high minors pitching prospects, as we all know...
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Post by bluechip on Jul 25, 2013 15:34:20 GMT -5
WMB for Peavy would be ridiculously good for the Red Sox. Workman... tough to say where he really stands right now. I would be sad to see him go but would accept that it's probably rational. WMB, Britton and PTBNL for Peavy... wishful thinking on my part or could it be enough? As I write this, Peavy leaves game in 8th inning after giving up 3rd HR on pitch #118. I am thinking that package is a little light. I am guessing, no real info, the white sox want Cecchini or Bradley plus for Peavy. Rumor has it that the White Sox had scouts at Portland last night, and Ranuado was pitching, so maybe they want him.
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Post by GyIantosca on Jul 25, 2013 15:38:19 GMT -5
We need hitting. I am happy with the pitching. We are gonna get shut down in the playoffs you can't win 0-0. I would promote Xander to either SS or 3B. Then put Drew and even Nava on the market for bullpen help. See what Xander can do and if he struggles maybe in this time frame the Phillies will be all done and try to sneak Young thru waivers. If a team claims him They can dump him if they want who knows.
Now Nava I believe is a bit part I love the guy but I don't see him here in 2 or 3 years. You know the deal he starts going to abritration and becomes too much for what he produces. He is at a peak now don't give him away. Promote Brentz or JBJ maybe both. This team will not hurt the inventory and get a big jump start from the young kids and I provide a back up also. It's not perfect but it's thinking outside the box and being realistic.
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Post by ocdss on Jul 25, 2013 16:22:33 GMT -5
Remember how at the beginning if the year everyone thought this was a good year for the Jays to go for it because if the weakness of the rest of the division? If we all had known that the Sox would have the best record and offense in the AL at this point wouldn't we be expecting a move to shore up the pitching for the stretch run? The bottom line is that not all of RDLR, Webster, Workman, Ranauado, Britton, and Barnes are going to pan out, so someone should go for Peavy and we just need to hope/ trust that the front office picks the right guy(s). Based on stuff I would strike RDLR from the list, and based on present utility I'm inclined to do the same for Workman. If the ChiSox like Ranaudo I'd be ecstatic.
As a separate issue they should totally sign MAG and point at least to a spot in the 'pen and lay out his long term future as a starter. They just don't have the chances to spend money like this to get young players anymore.
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Post by widewordofsport on Jul 25, 2013 16:23:00 GMT -5
Really want to say Cecchini shouldn't be traded, but his value may never be higher, he's a decent but not plus defender, and hasn't had the power (yet). Lars Anderson had better stats (including in more plate appearances at AA, so not just because the park effect) two years younger than Cecchini in A+/AA in 2008.
Same with Workman, who really may not be a Red Sox starter long-term (though looked good at 90-100 pitch count so far), but could be for someone else. Two of my favorite and the most consistent players in the system the last two years... but in two years they may be like trading low like on Stolmy and Anderson.
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Post by widewordofsport on Jul 25, 2013 16:24:57 GMT -5
More trade value right now: Coyle or Cecchini?
(am I doing this right?)
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Post by Guidas on Jul 25, 2013 16:45:40 GMT -5
So if they want picthing offer Chicago two of Ranaudo/Barnes/Webster/Owens/RDLR. All project at best to be #3s, although Owens has some #2 buzz here and there because he hides the ball well.
Or is that too dispassionate?
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Post by bluechip on Jul 25, 2013 16:51:14 GMT -5
So if they want picthing offer Chicago two of Ranaudo/Barnes/Webster/Owens/RDLR. All project at best to be #3s, although Owens has some #2 buzz here and there because he hides the ball well. Or is that too dispassionate? According to Spiers, the Red Sox think much more highly of Owens. They realize Owens is not thought of as highly, and thus will not move him.
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 25, 2013 16:59:50 GMT -5
So if they want picthing offer Chicago two of Ranaudo/Barnes/Webster/Owens/RDLR. All project at best to be #3s, although Owens has some #2 buzz here and there because he hides the ball well. Or is that too dispassionate? I don't think it will take that much, assuming BOS eats the remaining $20mm or so left of Peavy's deal. I'm thinking more along the lines of (1) Ranaudo, (2) one of Betts or Almanzar, (3) a low-A level lottery-ticket starter (think Gomez/Diaz/Montas), and (4) a throw-in reliever-type (think Hernandez/Couch/Ott/Younginer/Cuevas, not Martin/Huntzinger/Price/Ramirez) Ranaudo and Betts are definitely "trade high" candidates (as is Iglesias, if they are ready to give Xander the opportunity to come up in September and play).
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Post by Guidas on Jul 25, 2013 17:10:56 GMT -5
Wow - OK, I thought after the Garza deal, cash not withstanding they would have to do a bit more. I would do that.
And I think if they trade Iggy you see Holt for a few days and Xander is up after 3 AAA starts at 3rd.
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Post by bluechip on Jul 25, 2013 17:25:39 GMT -5
Ranuado is a good trade candidate. If the midsession prospect lists indicate the industry perception, or at least the outside perspective, then Ranuado may not have higher value than he does at present.
I think a package like Ranaudo, Almanzar, and Montas is a pretty fair package.
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Post by GyIantosca on Jul 25, 2013 17:37:20 GMT -5
If we get Gonzalez does that kill the Peavy talk? So Gonzalez has to make a decision soon I would imagine?
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Post by GyIantosca on Jul 25, 2013 17:40:12 GMT -5
By the way how does the Cuban baseball system work? Do they have there own major league baseball system and then pick the best for the Cuban national team? How do they disseminate there talent down there? Like in soccer in europe they have the top league and the lower league right?
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Post by Guidas on Jul 25, 2013 17:43:03 GMT -5
If we get Gonzalez does that kill the Peavy talk? So Gonzalez has to make a decision soon I would imagine? I think it's a tough stretch to think that a pitcher who has never played in the majors and hasn's played organized baseball in a while could just step into a pennant race rotation. I've got to believe he would need 3-5 AAA starts. By Sunday the Sox may not be able to give that many starts away.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 25, 2013 17:50:45 GMT -5
So if they want picthing offer Chicago two of Ranaudo/Barnes/Webster/Owens/RDLR. All project at best to be #3s, although Owens has some #2 buzz here and there because he hides the ball well. Or is that too dispassionate? I don't think it will take that much, assuming BOS eats the remaining $20mm or so left of Peavy's deal. I'm thinking more along the lines of (1) Ranaudo, (2) one of Betts or Almanzar, (3) a low-A level lottery-ticket starter (think Gomez/Diaz/Montas), and (4) a throw-in reliever-type (think Hernandez/Couch/Ott/Younginer/Cuevas, not Martin/Huntzinger/Price/Ramirez) Ranaudo and Betts are definitely "trade high" candidates (as is Iglesias, if they are ready to give Xander the opportunity to come up in September and play). This is reasonable for Peavy. None of the top 3 should be going and a minimum of 1 top 10. I only want Peavy if its in large part a salary dump. Fine with Barnes or Ranaudo going in a deal but not Webster, ruby or Owens
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Jul 25, 2013 17:58:47 GMT -5
I'm surprised we have been linked to Gallardo and not Lohse.
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Post by bentossaurus on Jul 25, 2013 18:02:02 GMT -5
If we're giving up talent for the right to pay Peavy $20M until the end of 2014 I'll throw a fit. And this is coming from someone who vastly appreciates him.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 25, 2013 18:13:08 GMT -5
Really want to say Cecchini shouldn't be traded, but his value may never be higher, he's a decent but not plus defender, and hasn't had the power (yet). Lars Anderson had better stats (including in more plate appearances at AA, so not just because the park effect) two years younger than Cecchini in A+/AA in 2008. Same with Workman, who really may not be a Red Sox starter long-term (though looked good at 90-100 pitch count so far), but could be for someone else. Two of my favorite and the most consistent players in the system the last two years... but in two years they may be like trading low like on Stolmy and Anderson. You can't compare Cecchini to Lars. Lars never loved baseball. He's a hippie - GC lives and breaths the game.
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Post by GyIantosca on Jul 25, 2013 18:14:49 GMT -5
Guarentee if we get this guy he does not stay healthy this year, I not even going to get into next year, I think he goes down for something this year.
I pray Chicago gets cocky and asks for Xander.
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Post by GyIantosca on Jul 25, 2013 18:15:52 GMT -5
I we're giving up talent for the right to pay Peavy $20M until the end of 2014 I'll throw a fit. And this is coming from someone who vastly appreciates him. I heared he has a player option.
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