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Trade Deadline Thread - Discussion Only
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Post by Guidas on Jul 26, 2013 8:57:21 GMT -5
Sorry this team the starting line up is not made for playoff baseball. Nobody sees this. I love this team but I see this plain and simple. You have to see what you have internally . If they didn't have the kids in AAA I would not be suggesting this. Promote Xander,Brentz and JBJ. If it doesn't pan out make a deal before August deadline. Much cheaper more teams will be sellers. See you later Drew and move Iggy ( the slap hitter over). See what Nava can get you. This is my plan. Not perfect but I try to address the needs f the team. Dude I've been calling for a RH high OBP bat or two for months. And other people here have as well. And you can always use another good pen arm. But yeah, they are flawed. So is Detroit, Oakland (esp if Colon draws a suspension), Texas, Balt, and Tampa, though Tampa looks very strong right now simply by adding Myers and a healthy Price. They also have pitching lined up like boxcars in a freight yard. |
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Post by GyIantosca on Jul 26, 2013 9:02:39 GMT -5
That's a bunch of crap. This line-up is one of the best in baseball, to say that it will magically go away because it's the playoffs is garbage. If anything the last couple years have proven, just make the dance and a lot can happen from there. I'm not saying don't make any improvements. I'd get a bullpen arm (which I think they will) and try and sign MAG, if we get outspent for MAG then trade Almanzar and Britton for Gallardo. I agree with shopping Iggy or Drew and I think Xander needs to be up here as the starting 3B or SS. Make some tweaks, don't trade anyone in the top 15 or so. we need a lot of bullets to throw against the wall in the next coming years. Okay it's a bunch of crap but you just agreed with the rest of what I said. WTF was that about? |
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Post by GyIantosca on Jul 26, 2013 9:05:01 GMT -5
Sorry this team the starting line up is not made for playoff baseball. Nobody sees this. I love this team but I see this plain and simple. You have to see what you have internally . If they didn't have the kids in AAA I would not be suggesting this. Promote Xander,Brentz and JBJ. If it doesn't pan out make a deal before August deadline. Much cheaper more teams will be sellers. See you later Drew and move Iggy ( the slap hitter over). See what Nava can get you. This is my plan. Not perfect but I try to address the needs f the team. Dude I've been calling for a RH high OBP bat or two for months. And other people here have as well. And you can always use another good pen arm. But yeah, they are flawed. So is Detroit, Oakland (esp if Colon draws a suspension), Texas, Balt, and Tampa, though Tampa looks very strong right now simply by adding Myers and a healthy Price. They also have pitching lined up like boxcars in a freight yard. Guidas you are right I should not of did a blanket assumption but just reading some of these posts bro . |
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Post by Guidas on Jul 26, 2013 9:09:12 GMT -5
That's a bunch of crap. This line-up is one of the best in baseball, to say that it will magically go away because it's the playoffs is garbage. If anything the last couple years have proven, just make the dance and a lot can happen from there. I'm not saying don't make any improvements. I'd get a bullpen arm (which I think they will) and try and sign MAG, if we get outspent for MAG then trade Almanzar and Britton for Gallardo. I agree with shopping Iggy or Drew and I think Xander needs to be up here as the starting 3B or SS. Make some tweaks, don't trade anyone in the top 15 or so. we need a lot of bullets to throw against the wall in the next coming years.Line-up construction issues aside I completely understand this to a point, But being this close to getting to the playoffs and maybe making a run to the ALCS is not something to take lightly. Serious question, you really want to eschew making a move or two and holding on to everyone in the top 15 rather than trading some who could facilitate getting you the division and maybe deep into the dance? You think all those top 15 guys who have never played in MLB will be average or better every day MLB players? |
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Post by brianthetaoist on Jul 26, 2013 9:12:05 GMT -5
You can make an argument the writing is on the wall now. Not to the degree, but major cracks are there. I do agree with not wasting an opportunity, but that works both ways. An opportunity to win now and an opportunity to build a great core going forward. Does trading GC or JB ruin the chance to build a core? No, but it severely hurts it. Does adding a bullpen arm and a starter increase their chances this year? Possibly, if they succeed, but if they make trades his years its got to be with the WS in mind, not a deep run. It's NOT a success for this group to make the ALCS IF it requires giving up big pieces of the future. You'd be hard pressed to find big trades that have put a team over the top to a WS. That's pretty much a strawman. The Sox aren't going to be trading Garin Cecchini or (I assume you mean) Jackie Bradley Jr for some marginal upgrade. I'd say that unless some cost-controlled young star is available, Cecchini, Bogaerts, and Bradley aren't going anywhere. I'd probably add Owens and Barnes to the list of unlikely trade pieces, too. Not because I think they're necessarily the two best pitching prospects, but their value is higher as prospects than in a trade, I believe; it'd be selling low on either of them. And I don't think any GM would make much of a distinction between ALCS and WS in their valuations. The playoffs are too much of a crapshoot to think that you can do any more than improve your odds. |
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Post by jimoh on Jul 26, 2013 9:14:26 GMT -5
So how and why did Peavy break his rib anyway? I've just read a bunch of stories from early June and find no answer. One story says it was hurting him the day before his last appearance before going on the DL. There is no mention of him taking a nap with his daughter, or running into the third baseman. We know that in 2005, "Jumping up and down in a close knot of teammates during San Diego's celebration of the NL West championship, Jake Peavy felt a sharp twinge in his rib cage" and missed the postseason (but for one misbegotten start) with a broken rib. sports.espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs2005/news/story?id=2181056(But OTOH, he is not a five-inning pitcher, as suggested above; he is averaging over 6 this year, even after leaving in the third when his rib was bothering him. Last year he averaged close to 7.) |
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Post by Guidas on Jul 26, 2013 9:28:49 GMT -5
Dude I've been calling for a RH high OBP bat or two for months. And other people here have as well. And you can always use another good pen arm. But yeah, they are flawed. So is Detroit, Oakland (esp if Colon draws a suspension), Texas, Balt, and Tampa, though Tampa looks very strong right now simply by adding Myers and a healthy Price. They also have pitching lined up like boxcars in a freight yard. Guidas you are right I should not of did a blanket assumption but just reading some of these posts bro . No worries. It all comes down to pitching, defense and scoring runs. It's just the right blend that makes the difference between a satisfying brew and something you want to pour down the drain. We all have our opinions on the mix. |
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Post by bluechip on Jul 26, 2013 9:41:46 GMT -5
Philly really should be a seller, that team was filled by Amaro with terrible contacts to make runs in 2011 and 2012. They will be out from under Halladay's contact this offseason, and should look to get out from Lee's contract. L ee is the guy I would part with premium prospects to acquire.
I don't see the Phillies trading Lee, but they really should. Then again, they could possibly move Lee in August, few teams would put a waiver claim in on that contract.
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 26, 2013 9:47:35 GMT -5
I have to be honest. If Philly turns into a seller, the idea of trading with Ruben Amaro sets my heart aflutter.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jul 26, 2013 10:34:07 GMT -5
Philly really should be a seller, that team was filled by Amaro with terrible contacts to make runs in 2011 and 2012. They will be out from under Halladay's contact this offseason, and should look to get out from Lee's contract. L ee is the guy I would part with premium prospects to acquire. I don't see the Phillies trading Lee, but they really should. Then again, they could possibly move Lee in August, few teams would put a waiver claim in on that contract. Philly right now is a MLB carbon copy of the NFL version of Washington Redskin late 70's "over the hill gang" that continually made trades for aging players, traded away future draft picks and signed aging players for "now years" until they were left with a rotting corpse of a franchise. Philly is not far from that fall. The team has multiple player contracts impossible to move (Rollins, Papelbon, Howard) moved it's farm to get in the situation it's in (Pence deals, Halladay, Lee etc) and really has little hope left now other than go all the way. It's day of reckoning is at most another year away. Signing Utley to another extension just proves the folly going on with that organization. |
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Post by Guidas on Jul 26, 2013 10:50:58 GMT -5
I have to be honest. If Philly turns into a seller, the idea of trading with Ruben Amaro sets my heart aflutter. This X 5. Why I wish Jim Bowden was still a GM. |
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Post by bluechip on Jul 26, 2013 10:54:25 GMT -5
All is not necessarily lost in Philly, if they choose to rebuild: if i was Amaro, I would sell Lee now and see it is possible to package him with Howard/Rollins. If I cannot get someone to take Howard or Rollins (which would be very difficult), I sell Lee for the best prospects I can get. In the off-season I offer Utley and Halladay the QO. Utley probably rejects the QO, so he walks and Philly can take another draft pick. Halladay might accept, and if he does, I eat some money and trade his rights.
Then again, it is very likely that Amaro does none of the things I suggested. He probably keeps Lee. He might sign Utley to a three year extension. Amaro then might allow Halladay to walk without a QO.
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Post by semperfisox on Jul 26, 2013 11:16:57 GMT -5
No Young please, we can fill that spot in house if need be.
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 26, 2013 12:00:24 GMT -5
They should probably keep Halladay if he accepts the QO, at least until next years all-star break. He's got a good chance to seriously increase his trade value if he shows he's healthy next year.
I understand allowing lame duck managers to finish out the season, as the long-term damage to the organization they can do is minimal (look at the disaster Bobby V. was last year and how easy the Sox were able to transition). However, it's crazy to keep an incompetent GM on through the trading deadline. Dayton Moore and Jack Z. might end keeping their jobs, but I'd be pretty shocked if Amaro does. So why let him be in charge of such a crucial trading deadline?
It's going to be impossible to package Howard. He's making $25M per and is a DFA or outright release candidate. The Phils are stuck with that one. His decline has been really painful to see.
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Post by hammerhead on Jul 26, 2013 12:03:53 GMT -5
I think the sox are trading for Gregorson or Sergio Romo . The cost shouldn't be prohibitive and both would slot in nicely before Uehara , taking some stress off Tazawa's arm.
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Post by mjammz on Jul 26, 2013 12:07:50 GMT -5
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Post by burythehammer on Jul 26, 2013 12:14:07 GMT -5
My plan is coming together.
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 26, 2013 12:18:50 GMT -5
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Post by Guidas on Jul 26, 2013 12:19:24 GMT -5
This guy scares me unless he is just for depth - at least as a starter. If it's a move to bolster the pen, fine. But this guy hasn't pitched competitively in 2 years.
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Post by hammerhead on Jul 26, 2013 12:21:44 GMT -5
MAG seems like a no-brainer. If he's the #2 or #3 starter that most scouts agree he is, then you have to do it. Not just for this year but for the next 4 or 5. Young top notch starters don't come along very often , especially mid-season when it will cost no prospects to get him.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 26, 2013 12:26:57 GMT -5
Excerpt from a very long Baseball America scouting report on MAG:
Scouts generally agree that Gonzalez is a major leaguer, but projections vary significantly. Scouts highest on Gonzalez see his upside as a No. 3 starter who could pitch in the big leagues immediately, or at least soon after getting acclimated with some Triple-A time. Others see a back-end starter, a middle relief option or a long reliever as more realistic projections given their concerns about how his stuff will play the second time through the order and as major league teams become more familiar with him.
Bottom line: He could be a #3 or he could be a long guy. But either way he'll need some time (a week, two, more?) in AAA at least to ramp up.
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Post by burythehammer on Jul 26, 2013 12:27:26 GMT -5
Goes without saying, but I just want to thank the Dodgers once again.
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Post by jdb on Jul 26, 2013 12:29:35 GMT -5
I think MAG probably chooses a team before the weekend ends. You would think most GMs will be focusing on the deadline.
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Post by sibbysisti on Jul 26, 2013 12:40:34 GMT -5
If a playoff contending team's shortstop takes a Tim Hudson, the Sox would be set up well to move Stephen Drew. Heck, even without a serious injury, there could be interest out there. The Cards are looking for a SS. If Jhonny Peralta goes the Ryan Braun route, the Tigers will be in the market.
Drew will not be offered a contract beyond the season and the Sox will not offer arbitration. So, now is the time to move him if they expect to recoup something on their investment. It would help clear up the logjam at 3B/SS by putting Iglesias in the best position to succeed and opening up a slot for WM or Xander.
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 26, 2013 12:44:40 GMT -5
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