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8/5-8/7 Red Sox @ Astros Series Thread
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Post by Jonathan Singer on Aug 5, 2013 7:19:43 GMT -5
8/5 Red Sox (RHP John Lackey 7-8 3.23) @ Astros (LHP Brett Oberholtzer 1-0 3.77) 8:10 pm ET, NESN/WEEI8/6 Red Sox (RHP Steven Wright 2-0 3.65) @ Astros (RHP Jordan Lyles 4-5 4.91) 8:10 pm ET, NESN/WEEI8/7 Red Sox (RHP Ryan Dempster 6-8 4.54) @ Astros (RHP Jarred Cosart 1-0 0.96) 8:10 pm ET, NESN/WEEIMLB StandingsRed Sox Hitting StatsRed Sox Pitching StatsMLB ScoreboardMLB TransactionsWeatherSeries Thread Disclaimer: The SoxProspects Moderators will be somewhat liberal in policing the Red Sox "Series" Threads. Some of the Ground Rules are applied loosely in here, as we understand that there is a tendency to want to react (or overreact) to every play of a Sox game with one line reactionary posts. Those posts are okay in the Red Sox Series threads to a point - we certainly appreciate the passion. Just try not to overdo it, and try to maintain some semblance of reason. In addition, please don't let those type of posts spill over to other more substantive threads, where they may be deleted. -The Management
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Aug 5, 2013 8:44:53 GMT -5
Sweep! Or, you have to cross the Rio Grande with Aceves!!
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Post by GyIantosca on Aug 5, 2013 8:51:12 GMT -5
I am not complaining just asking . What is the story with wright pitching? Lester skipped?
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Post by bluechip on Aug 5, 2013 8:57:25 GMT -5
I am not complaining just asking . What is the story with wright pitching? Lester skipped? Trying to get everyone a little extra rest is what they said. They could have done that by letting Workman make a start then moving him to the pen, but maybe they want to put workman in the bullpen sooner. Perhaps they also want to get a longer look at Wright at the MLB level before the off season? He has been pretty good of late, so it makes sense for him to make the spot start. |
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Post by Oregon Norm on Aug 5, 2013 9:07:34 GMT -5
This happens most seasons, and about this time. As mentioned above it's all about getting starters more rest, prepping for post-season should the team make it that far.
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Post by okin15 on Aug 5, 2013 9:56:44 GMT -5
I am not complaining just asking . What is the story with wright pitching? Lester skipped? I'm not trying to be a jerk, but do you read ANY other Boston media? Also, I actually am complaining about pitching Wright. The Sox make a big deal out of how every game is important, and Ellsbury has to (in 2008) learn to play through nagging stuff, and so-and-so has to bear down on every play on defense once you get to the majors, and we need another arm... and then they go and say, well, this game is less important. We're not going to start one of our 5 best guys. It seems like this kind of thing as much as anything could derail an otherwise energized and motivated ball club. I mean, don't you want Peavy back in there? I dunno, I see both sides, but this sounds like a decision made on a chess board, and not with the flow of the team in mind. |
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Post by semperfisox on Aug 5, 2013 10:33:37 GMT -5
We better sweep this AA team.
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Post by iakovos11 on Aug 5, 2013 10:41:52 GMT -5
Also, I actually am complaining about pitching Wright. The Sox make a big deal out of how every game is important, and Ellsbury has to (in 2008) learn to play through nagging stuff, and so-and-so has to bear down on every play on defense once you get to the majors, and we need another arm... and then they go and say, well, this game is less important. We're not going to start one of our 5 best guys. It seems like this kind of thing as much as anything could derail an otherwise energized and motivated ball club. I mean, don't you want Peavy back in there? I dunno, I see both sides, but this sounds like a decision made on a chess board, and not with the flow of the team in mind. Well, his two relief appearances have been great and he's been pitching great in his Pawtucket starts for quite a while now. I think the team has a lot of confidence in him. I think I'd actually have at least as much confidence in him as in Lester, for right now. Besides, giving your pitchers a start off for some rest before heading into the final month of the season is a good idea. Houston is probably a good game to provide him that break. |
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Aug 5, 2013 10:51:28 GMT -5
I am not complaining just asking . What is the story with wright pitching? Lester skipped? I'm not trying to be a jerk, but do you read ANY other Boston media? Also, I actually am complaining about pitching Wright. The Sox make a big deal out of how every game is important, and Ellsbury has to (in 2008) learn to play through nagging stuff, and so-and-so has to bear down on every play on defense once you get to the majors, and we need another arm... and then they go and say, well, this game is less important. We're not going to start one of our 5 best guys. It seems like this kind of thing as much as anything could derail an otherwise energized and motivated ball club. I mean, don't you want Peavy back in there? I dunno, I see both sides, but this sounds like a decision made on a chess board, and not with the flow of the team in mind. Maybe, they're pitching Wright because he has been instrumental in two key wins. I agree about not giving games away. I was against pitching Webster because he's not ready. Wright has earned this start with his performances lately. His last two big league outings were 5 2/3IP 3H 0R 0ER 2BB and 3k's. Comeback win at Seattle. And, in the miraculous comeback Thursday. Lost in the comeback was his 3ip 2h 0r 0er 1bb and 2k'S in relief of Dempster who stunk that night. And, at AAA wright's last 8 starts have been 51 2/3IP 43h 18r 14er 23 bb 37 k . 3-2 with a 2.44 ERA |
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Post by Oregon Norm on Aug 5, 2013 10:52:53 GMT -5
Workman on his way back early because of Nava's paternity leave. ESPN Boston has the story. |
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Post by brianthetaoist on Aug 5, 2013 11:17:56 GMT -5
Wright's a lottery ticket. Maybe he pays off and goes 8 strong, but he could also go 1.2 innings if he doesn't have his knuckleball that day. I'd assume Workman is standing by to piggyback if Wright doesn't have it that day ...
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 5, 2013 13:33:33 GMT -5
The whole point of bringing Workman up in the first place was to see how he'd fit in the bullpen. The sooner they can see if he's the RHRP they need, the better - there's always the option of a waiver trade if they determine they need that piece for the playoffs.
And as has been said above, Wright has earned a start with his relief work. If you're starting from the premise that you're going to give someone a start to rest the rotation, and you remove Workman, Britton, and RDLR because you want to evaluate them in the bullpen, I'd go Wright over Webster right now, as the latter needs to stay in Pawtucket and consolidate gains right now. And if there's a team to get him a start against, it's the Astros.
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Post by GyIantosca on Aug 5, 2013 15:02:34 GMT -5
I am not complaining just asking . What is the story with wright pitching? Lester skipped? I'm not trying to be a jerk, but do you read ANY other Boston media? Also, I actually am complaining about pitching Wright. The Sox make a big deal out of how every game is important, and Ellsbury has to (in 2008) learn to play through nagging stuff, and so-and-so has to bear down on every play on defense once you get to the majors, and we need another arm... and then they go and say, well, this game is less important. We're not going to start one of our 5 best guys. It seems like this kind of thing as much as anything could derail an otherwise energized and motivated ball club. I mean, don't you want Peavy back in there? I dunno, I see both sides, but this sounds like a decision made on a chess board, and not with the flow of the team in mind.[/quot Likewise , but if that question bothers you why respond? Why not just skip it? I mean I have seen other things here much worse. |
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Post by okin15 on Aug 5, 2013 16:09:09 GMT -5
Yeah, it's the premise that they NEED to rest guys while lowering their chances of winning that I don't like. I do like Greg and Iak's arguments, so I'll set aside my indignation for now. Hopefully the kid proves me wrong. I just don't want a good idea on paper to kill the team's momentum and drive.
JRRusso, I wasn't bothered, just literally surprised that you hadn't seen/heard it yet somewhere.
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Post by Guidas on Aug 5, 2013 16:58:46 GMT -5
Yeah, it's the premise that they NEED to rest guys while lowering their chances of winning that I don't like. I do like Greg and Iak's arguments, so I'll set aside my indignation for now. Hopefully the kid proves me wrong. I just don't want a good idea on paper to kill the team's momentum and drive. JRRusso, I wasn't bothered, just literally surprised that you hadn't seen/heard it yet somewhere. I wasn't surprised at the move of giving everyone a day's rest. I just thought they'd do it with Peavy and leave Workman in the rotation for one more turn. I think we have seen that this iteration of the team seems to reward success/the hot hand and with Wright having success at the MLB level, and Houston being a very poor team offensively they thought 'why not?' Lavarnway again sitting against a lefty. If they do hate him this much - or think he's this incompetent, as they are really riding Salty, then send him down and bring up Butler. Salty won't be able to move come Oct at this rate. Hell, his quads must feel like they're filled with broken glass and rocks at this point. |
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Aug 5, 2013 17:09:10 GMT -5
Lavarnway again sitting against a lefty. If they do hate him this much - or think he's this incompetent, as they are really riding Salty, then send him down and bring up Butler. Salty won't be able to move come Oct at this rate. Hell, his quads must feel like they're filled with broken glass and rocks at this point. Same reason Crap never pinch hits for Napoli. Have to show faith in your starter blah blah blah shoot me in the face. |
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Post by godot on Aug 5, 2013 17:16:05 GMT -5
If he gets medical clearance, Ross is suppose to begin a minor league rehab assignment at the end of this week. If he does, do you believe they will keep him there more than a week, and if they recall him with a few weeks left in August, then Lavarnway goes back, no. If Ross is indeed okay, I am pretty sure he will get playing time and Salty will get his rest.
I just wonder how safe it is for Ross to play again. A catcher will get knocks on the mask, and they really cannot say it will not affect him.
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Post by ray88h66 on Aug 5, 2013 17:19:24 GMT -5
I think this is a good time to give Wright a spot start. With an off day next Monday all the starters can get some extra rest 2 times through the rotation. Good risk vs. reward potential.
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Post by Guidas on Aug 5, 2013 18:22:07 GMT -5
If he gets medical clearance, Ross is suppose to begin a minor league rehab assignment at the end of this week. If he does, do you believe they will keep him there more than a week, and if they recall him with a few weeks left in August, then Lavarnway goes back, no. If Ross is indeed okay, I am pretty sure he will get playing time and Salty will get his rest. I just wonder how safe it is for Ross to play again. A catcher will get knocks on the mask, and they really cannot say it will not affect him. He looked like complete shit at the plate last time he came back off rehab. And I think one more foul off the mask and he may be calling it a career. |
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Post by Guidas on Aug 5, 2013 19:39:53 GMT -5
Anyone know if Cosart is as good as his numbers? Looks like an extreme GB pitcher. Took care of Tampa and Sox' evil twin (that hits more HRs) Oakland pretty well first time facing them.
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Post by bluechip on Aug 5, 2013 19:44:38 GMT -5
UGHHHHHH
Lackey rolls his ankle fielding that last grounder and he goes down.
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Post by mgoetze on Aug 5, 2013 19:46:33 GMT -5
That looked almost Milleresque... fortunately he got up and appears to be able to walk by himself.
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Post by bluechip on Aug 5, 2013 19:47:41 GMT -5
Lackey is in the clubhouse. Rubby is warming.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Aug 5, 2013 19:47:49 GMT -5
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Post by ray88h66 on Aug 5, 2013 19:51:41 GMT -5
Looks like Lackey's going to try to go back out.
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