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8/5-8/7 Red Sox @ Astros Series Thread
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Post by bluechip on Aug 6, 2013 23:08:57 GMT -5
Rubby looked good.
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Post by jchang on Aug 6, 2013 23:15:05 GMT -5
well if you don't like ells power, I am sure power bats Pujols and Josh Hamilton could be available this off season.
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Post by taftreign on Aug 6, 2013 23:19:35 GMT -5
Ellsbury may not be a power bat by any means but does anyone else get the feeling he's going to go on a little run here. By the end of August I can see him sitting with 12 or 13 HRs.
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Post by godot on Aug 6, 2013 23:30:58 GMT -5
Ellsbury's recent power should not be all that surprising. For whatever reason, maybe should still not strong, he was not staying back and taking a full swing for most of the first half and not even getting the ball in the air much, let alone consistently driven it. Not now though. Don't forget in his big year he got stronger as the year progressed.
If I recall correctly one of the Globe reporters, probably Nick C, said it was a no brainier; let Ellsbury go as Bradley was in the wings. Nick has changed his tune. Bradley is again on the DL with elbow issues. I believe it is the second time;if so, a precursor to TJ?
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Post by bjb406 on Aug 6, 2013 23:38:01 GMT -5
I still like Britton as a starter candiate. The stuff is top shelf. But I lov the way he has just waded into the pen role and embraced the moment. And Ellsbury - can't we keep him? PPPPLLLEEEEASE!!! Would be nice but it looks like our rotation is pretty much set for the next year and a half. He'll have settled into the reliever role by then. Ellsbury is gone. He'll probably end up on a team like the Mets or Cubs. We have a perfect replacement for Jacoby at a fraction of the price. What we really need is a power bat in LF or 1B. resign Jacoby, trade Bradley for an upgrade elsewhere would be an option
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Post by bluechip on Aug 6, 2013 23:38:31 GMT -5
For their respective prices, I would rather have Choo. Victorino is insurance for Brafley.
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Post by jmei on Aug 6, 2013 23:38:55 GMT -5
Tampa Bay lost; the Red Sox are now a game and a half up in the AL East and six games up in the Wild Card race. Is the sky still falling???
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Post by johnsilver52 on Aug 6, 2013 23:43:38 GMT -5
Getting a good idea of who looks good in what role as far as the top pitching prospects. Britton has been lights out as a reliever. Maybe that truly is his role? Workman has been rancid as a reliever and whoever came up with Wright as a SP, relieved by Workman can thank their lucky stars the offense was up to the task today..
Here is to no more relief efforts by Workman and Wright banished to the pen if he gets into any games. Team can't afford any more wobbly knuckle baller efforts from the outset. Workman was on a 3 game start role and deserved that start. Let Wright throw junk relief if they have to in a long effort.
Wow, did RDLR ever throw more fuel on the fire as a future closer? Nasty 96-8 heater with movement and 90-92 changeup? Forget working at lower velocity as a starter, those 2 pitches and let him work relief in the 7-8th innings for now. This guy just may have future closer written alllll over him he can keep what he had tonight up. No need for a third pitch that way. Just air it out.. Shades of Bard, just no crazy ideas from the FO about moving back to the rotation plz....
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Post by ray88h66 on Aug 6, 2013 23:52:13 GMT -5
The 4 passed balls in the first inning tied a record and it should of been 5.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Aug 6, 2013 23:53:54 GMT -5
If you sign Ellsbury to a 5 year extension/contract (he'll get more in free agency most probably) you know he'll miss at least two of those years and 1 will be him trying to get back in shape.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Aug 6, 2013 23:57:13 GMT -5
Tampa Bay lost; the Red Sox are now a game and a half up in the AL East and six games up in the Wild Card race. Is the sky still falling??? Yes you still have the Holt/Snyder platoon at 3B. For some reason they like Snyder, still haven't seen what ever it is. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 7, 2013 0:10:02 GMT -5
.241 / .303 / .335 (44 G, 208 PA): Ellsbury on May 20.
.346 / .408 / .514 (61 G, 287 PA): Ellsbury since. That's a pretty decent stretch at his 2011 level.
His injuries have come from collisions with other players. Given the dearth of OF prospects other than JBJ, I'm all for trying to re-sign him, and actually think there's a decent chance of it. He seems like me to be the sort of player that other GM's will not break the bank irrationally to sign.
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 7, 2013 0:40:31 GMT -5
Rubby's Pitch/fx breakdown, with 6 pitch identifications corrected (two 4-seamers misidentified as two-seamers, and all 4 changeups missed -- 2 classified as a generic fastball, 1 as a 2-seamer, 1 as a slider):
10 4-seamers, average 98.2 mph, range 96.7 - 99.2 (last 3: 99.1, 99.1, 99.2). Horizontal and vertical movement, -4.9, 8.1. Results: 2 swinging strikes (1 for a K), 2 called strikes, 2 fouls, 4 balls.
4 changeups, average 92.0. Movement, -5.2, 4.2, so it had the same amount of armside run as his FB, but 4" of relative drop. Results: groundout, called strike, 2 fouls.
2 sliders, each 90.6. Movement, 4.0, 2.2. Results: 2 swinging strikes (1 for a K).
A 6 mph separation between FB and change is not only nothing to worry about, it's actually better than an average (11 mph) separation.
Depending on his makeup, I could see giving him another half-year in the Pawtucket rotation, or letting him compete for 2014 closer in ST.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Aug 7, 2013 0:58:28 GMT -5
A (small) watershed. The next win for the Sox will be there 70th, more than they won all of last year. So they're a good bet to finish better than even.
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Post by Gwell55 on Aug 7, 2013 1:06:12 GMT -5
If you sign Ellsbury to a 5 year extension/contract (he'll get more in free agency most probably) you know he'll miss at least two of those years and 1 will be him trying to get back in shape. Yikes and if they keep JBJr he will have Tj surgery after his one good year and than suck for the rest of his career too! Guess you should start now blaming Xander for it cuz he will most likely run into JBJ thereby ruining all his great years that coulda shoulda been!
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Aug 7, 2013 6:27:42 GMT -5
Would be nice but it looks like our rotation is pretty much set for the next year and a half. He'll have settled into the reliever role by then. Ellsbury is gone. He'll probably end up on a team like the Mets or Cubs. We have a perfect replacement for Jacoby at a fraction of the price. What we really need is a power bat in LF or 1B. He could always move back to the rotation if the team wanted. Chris Sale, Adam Wainwright, ect... ..... Daniel Bard ......
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Post by Guidas on Aug 7, 2013 6:59:29 GMT -5
I still like Britton as a starter candiate. The stuff is top shelf. But I lov the way he has just waded into the pen role and embraced the moment. And Ellsbury - can't we keep him? PPPPLLLEEEEASE!!! Would be nice but it looks like our rotation is pretty much set for the next year and a half. He'll have settled into the reliever role by then. Ellsbury is gone. He'll probably end up on a team like the Mets or Cubs. We have a perfect replacement for Jacoby at a fraction of the price. What we really need is a power bat in LF or 1B. Completely agree and have been calling for this since before April.
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Post by aardsmacarta on Aug 7, 2013 7:04:05 GMT -5
Getting a good idea of who looks good in what role as far as the top pitching prospects. Britton has been lights out as a reliever. Maybe that truly is his role? Workman has been rancid as a reliever and whoever came up with Wright as a SP, relieved by Workman can thank their lucky stars the offense was up to the task today.. Here is to no more relief efforts by Workman and Wright banished to the pen if he gets into any games. Team can't afford any more wobbly knuckle baller efforts from the outset. Workman was on a 3 game start role and deserved that start. Let Wright throw junk relief if they have to in a long effort. Wow, did RDLR ever throw more fuel on the fire as a future closer? Nasty 96-8 heater with movement and 90-92 changeup? Forget working at lower velocity as a starter, those 2 pitches and let him work relief in the 7-8th innings for now. This guy just may have future closer written alllll over him he can keep what he had tonight up. No need for a third pitch that way. Just air it out.. Shades of Bard, just no crazy ideas from the FO about moving back to the rotation plz.... Way to overdraw numerous wrong conclusions from a single game. You had a knuckleballer who's had a very strong year, including pitching well in the majors (winning two key games for us), pitching in a dome for the first time. His knuckler was just moving too much, both for him and for Lavarnway. We've seen it happen with Wakefield, too (often in domes, or with the wind in outdoor games blowing in his face), but add nerves and inexperience and what you get is last night. He is still a good starting prospect -- it's a much better thing when your problem is your stuff moving too much, as opposed to moving too little or too slowly. Workman came in in a very difficult situation. He had otherwise been very good in relief. He had a bad night. Remember how Francona didn't bench Ortiz or Pedroia (at the beginning of his career) when they went through month-long slumps? The opposite of that would be making sweeping decisions based on one game involving two guys with a few weeks of major league experience between the two of them.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Aug 7, 2013 7:50:15 GMT -5
Would be nice but it looks like our rotation is pretty much set for the next year and a half. He'll have settled into the reliever role by then. Ellsbury is gone. He'll probably end up on a team like the Mets or Cubs. We have a perfect replacement for Jacoby at a fraction of the price. What we really need is a power bat in LF or 1B. Completely agree and have been calling for this since before April. Can you imagine if the Sox had been able to pull of Lester for Wil Myers?
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Aug 7, 2013 8:01:40 GMT -5
I had some computer issues last night. Listened on radio. I couldn't wait to read this thread. Wanted to add for entertainment purposes that Dale Arnold on D&C show just said that the Sox won because of Farrell's managerial decisions....oh my!
1. I was a defender of starting Wright prior to the game. I didn't see it. But, from watching the highlights. I thought Lavarnway should have caught a few of those. Inning could have been different. Oh well, it wasn't.
2. I like the idea of Workman and Britton in the pen. They can give you 2-3 innings. Or more. We really need that. Franklin Morales might help there too. Had a nice 2 1/3 outing last time out in AAA.
3. First time I've seen Chubby Rubby pitch. He sure looks like one of those chunky closers; Heath Bell, Valverde, Hanrahan, etc. Just needs a beard. You don't have to be in great shape to be a pitcher. But, not impressed with his body. Doubt he's a starter. I know. Over-reaction
4. I'm with Guidas on Ellsbury. We need to keep him. In the non-roid area, teams don't have many elite players. Pedey, Papi and Ells are ours. We need to keep all 3. Keep JBJ and I dub them the Roadrunner Outfield.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Aug 7, 2013 8:33:43 GMT -5
I had some computer issues last night. Listened on radio. I couldn't wait to read this thread. Wanted to add for entertainment purposes that Dale Arnold on D&C show just said that the Sox won because of Farrell's managerial decisions....oh my! 1. I was a defender of starting Wright prior to the game. I didn't see it. But, from watching the highlights. I thought Lavarnway should have caught a few of those. Inning could have been different. Oh well, it wasn't. 2. I like the idea of Workman and Britton in the pen. They can give you 2-3 innings. Or more. We really need that. Franklin Morales might help there too. Had a nice 2 1/3 outing last time out in AAA. 3. First time I've seen Chubby Rubby pitch. He sure looks like one of those chunky closers; Heath Bell, Valverde, Hanrahan, etc. Just needs a beard. You don't have to be in great shape to be a pitcher. But, not impressed with his body. Doubt he's a starter. I know. Over-reaction 4. I'm with Guidas on Ellsbury. We need to keep him. In the non-roid area, teams don't have many elite players. Pedey, Papi and Ells are ours. We need to keep all 3. Keep JBJ and I dub them the Roadrunner Outfield. We would keep him if he would sign a reasonable extension but it doesn't appear thats the route he wants to go. He is a boras guy. He has already won a WS so he just wants to cash in his chips.
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Post by jmei on Aug 7, 2013 9:35:02 GMT -5
Rubby's Pitch/fx breakdown, with 6 pitch identifications corrected (two 4-seamers misidentified as two-seamers, and all 4 changeups missed -- 2 classified as a generic fastball, 1 as a 2-seamer, 1 as a slider): 10 4-seamers, average 98.2 mph, range 96.7 - 99.2 (last 3: 99.1, 99.1, 99.2). Horizontal and vertical movement, -4.9, 8.1. Results: 2 swinging strikes (1 for a K), 2 called strikes, 2 fouls, 4 balls. 4 changeups, average 92.0. Movement, -5.2, 4.2, so it had the same amount of armside run as his FB, but 4" of relative drop. Results: groundout, called strike, 2 fouls. 2 sliders, each 90.6. Movement, 4.0, 2.2. Results: 2 swinging strikes (1 for a K). A 6 mph separation between FB and change is not only nothing to worry about, it's actually better than an average (11 mph) separation. Depending on his makeup, I could see giving him another half-year in the Pawtucket rotation, or letting him compete for 2014 closer in ST. Good post. One nit to pick-- the more the separation between the fastball and changeup, the better (hitters are more off-balance and likely to swing and miss). So the fact that De La Rosa only has a 6 mph separation is not better than average but much worse. Some pitchers can make it work (Beckett always threw a 90 mph changeup that got a few swings-and-misses) but all else being equal, you'd like to see that changeup be slower by a few mph.
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Post by ramireja on Aug 7, 2013 9:39:17 GMT -5
Tampa Bay lost; the Red Sox are now a game and a half up in the AL East and six games up in the Wild Card race. Is the sky still falling??? How dare you forget the inexcusable loss to the Stros on Monday.
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Post by ramireja on Aug 7, 2013 9:42:34 GMT -5
Getting a good idea of who looks good in what role as far as the top pitching prospects. Britton has been lights out as a reliever. Maybe that truly is his role? Workman has been rancid as a reliever and whoever came up with Wright as a SP, relieved by Workman can thank their lucky stars the offense was up to the task today.. Here is to no more relief efforts by Workman and Wright banished to the pen if he gets into any games. Team can't afford any more wobbly knuckle baller efforts from the outset. Workman was on a 3 game start role and deserved that start. Let Wright throw junk relief if they have to in a long effort. Wow, did RDLR ever throw more fuel on the fire as a future closer? Nasty 96-8 heater with movement and 90-92 changeup? Forget working at lower velocity as a starter, those 2 pitches and let him work relief in the 7-8th innings for now. This guy just may have future closer written alllll over him he can keep what he had tonight up. No need for a third pitch that way. Just air it out.. Shades of Bard, just no crazy ideas from the FO about moving back to the rotation plz.... I tend to agree although my opinions are based on just a few observations so take them with a grain of salt. But yes, Britton and De La Rosa seem to have stuff that plays really well in relief, especially if they really focus on 2 pitches only occasionally throwing a 3rd. Workman on the other hand doesn't really have a plus pitch (maybe the cutter?), but rather gets by on mixing 4 or so pitches. In the long term, there just isn't enough room in the rotation for Webster, De La Rosa, Barnes, Workman, Ranaudo, Owens, and Britton. A couple of these guys will get transitioned to relief, and I think Britton and De La Rosa offer a lot of upside in those roles.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Aug 7, 2013 9:46:56 GMT -5
Getting a good idea of who looks good in what role as far as the top pitching prospects. Britton has been lights out as a reliever. Maybe that truly is his role? Workman has been rancid as a reliever and whoever came up with Wright as a SP, relieved by Workman can thank their lucky stars the offense was up to the task today.. Here is to no more relief efforts by Workman and Wright banished to the pen if he gets into any games. Team can't afford any more wobbly knuckle baller efforts from the outset. Workman was on a 3 game start role and deserved that start. Let Wright throw junk relief if they have to in a long effort. Wow, did RDLR ever throw more fuel on the fire as a future closer? Nasty 96-8 heater with movement and 90-92 changeup? Forget working at lower velocity as a starter, those 2 pitches and let him work relief in the 7-8th innings for now. This guy just may have future closer written alllll over him he can keep what he had tonight up. No need for a third pitch that way. Just air it out.. Shades of Bard, just no crazy ideas from the FO about moving back to the rotation plz.... I tend to agree although my opinions are based on just a few observations so take them with a grain of salt. But yes, Britton and De La Rosa seem to have stuff that plays really well in relief, especially if they really focus on 2 pitches only occasionally throwing a 3rd. Workman on the other hand doesn't really have a plus pitch (maybe the cutter?), but rather gets by on mixing 4 or so pitches. In the long term, there just isn't enough room in the rotation for Webster, De La Rosa, Barnes, Workman, Ranaudo, Owens, and Britton. A couple of these guys will get transitioned to relief, and I think Britton and De La Rosa offer a lot of upside in those roles. Agreed
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