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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 19, 2013 10:27:42 GMT -5
Is this call up a bad thing for his super two status (i dont really know what that means) and/or potential time to free agency? Is he gonna hit the FA market at like 25 now? If he performs as projected, free agency won't be an issue hopefully. I can't see him NOT signing a contract that'll buy out the start of his free agency. FYI, super-two just refers to when he's eligible for arbitration. If he was going to be on the opening day roster next year anyway, it's a non-issue. |
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Post by honkbal on Aug 19, 2013 10:33:23 GMT -5
I've wanted a reason to post this for a long time. Beat me to it! Required viewing. Absolutely.  |
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Post by burythehammer on Aug 19, 2013 10:53:13 GMT -5
Edes is saying something about all of Xander's stuff still being Pawtucket. This is meaningless, right?
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Post by njsox on Aug 19, 2013 11:14:43 GMT -5
I do not want to rain on everyone's parade but do not expect him to be great right away. Trout needed to be sent down after his first call up. Keep the expectations realistic for a 20 year old in his first shot at the Majors. Hopefully he rakes from day 1 but do not expect it. While player comparisons are always dangerous it should be noted that Trout had seen 0 AAA time when he was called up. Also, Trout was not awful in his debut, he definitely showed flashes of the player that he could become. Not to mention solid production against lefties in his SSS which would be great if we could get the same out of Bogaerts. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 19, 2013 11:22:45 GMT -5
Edes is saying something about all of Xander's stuff still being Pawtucket. This is meaningless, right? The call-up has been confirmed by the Herald at this point, and to be honest, the Sox would have put the kabosh on this news by now if it weren't happening. |
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Post by pedroelgrande on Aug 19, 2013 11:27:00 GMT -5
So happy. Hope he goes nuts with the bat down the stretch.
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Post by hammerhead on Aug 19, 2013 11:30:11 GMT -5
I'm sure I'm not alone, but I just think this kid is going to take this city by storm. He is so likable and takes joy from the little things that most stars seem to take for granite. He is the most complete baseball player I have seen at such a young age since following prospects. I know that I should temper the excitement and that there realistically may be a adjustment period for him, but I can't help thinking he's gonna start ripping from the get go and never look back.
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Post by terriblehondo on Aug 19, 2013 11:37:14 GMT -5
I do not want to rain on everyone's parade but do not expect him to be great right away. Trout needed to be sent down after his first call up. Keep the expectations realistic for a 20 year old in his first shot at the Majors. Hopefully he rakes from day 1 but do not expect it. This is no time for tempering expectations! Honestly, I think most everyone here is pretty realistic that Bogaerts isn't going to come in and immediately be Cal Ripken, but this IS really exciting. Bogaerts is the best positional prospect the Red Sox have had since Nomar. There will be some hiccups, but he improves the team now and has a chance to be really, really special in the long term. Also, Trout did struggle some, but the biggest reason he got sent back to the minors is because the Angels are dumb. Trout struggled some? He hit .220 avg .281 obp and a .672 ops. in 40 games. If Xander does that the Sox will not be a better team right now but it also will not mean he is a bust. I hope he is like Puig and on every highlight show but I am not counting on it. If he can play decent defense and hit between .250 and .270 with some pop I will be very happy. |
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 19, 2013 11:41:17 GMT -5
Trout also had a .170 Iso and his overall stat line was held down by a .247 BABIP in '11. So there was good and bad. He should've been in the majors to start 2012 for them.
If he can hit like 2011 Mike Trout he may end up helping the team, depending on who he's taking those at-bats from. Brock Holt didn't hit at all during his recent recall, Napoli hasn't done much in the second half, Drew has trouble with lefties, and the jury is still out on Middlebrooks.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 19, 2013 11:50:44 GMT -5
This is no time for tempering expectations! Honestly, I think most everyone here is pretty realistic that Bogaerts isn't going to come in and immediately be Cal Ripken, but this IS really exciting. Bogaerts is the best positional prospect the Red Sox have had since Nomar. There will be some hiccups, but he improves the team now and has a chance to be really, really special in the long term. Also, Trout did struggle some, but the biggest reason he got sent back to the minors is because the Angels are dumb. Trout struggled some? He hit .220 avg .281 obp and a .672 ops. in 40 games. If Xander does that the Sox will not be a better team right now but it also will not mean he is a bust. I hope he is like Puig and on every highlight show but I am not counting on it. If he can play decent defense and hit between .250 and .270 with some pop I will be very happy. RE: Trout, the Angels at the time were playing the corpses of Vernon Wells and Bobby Abreu every day, and if I remember right, I don't think Hunter was playing that well either. |
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Post by bighead on Aug 19, 2013 11:54:04 GMT -5
Is this call up a bad thing for his super two status (i dont really know what that means) and/or potential time to free agency? Is he gonna hit the FA market at like 25 now? If he performs as projected, free agency won't be an issue hopefully. I can't see him NOT signing a contract that'll buy out the start of his free agency. FYI, super-two just refers to when he's eligible for arbitration. If he was going to be on the opening day roster next year anyway, it's a non-issue. Who is his agent? I did a double take when I saw this post because for some reason I was convinced he was a Boras client. |
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Post by Guidas on Aug 19, 2013 11:55:36 GMT -5
Pedroia will play for Pedroia if Pedroia gets hurt. Muddy Chicken, bro. |
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Post by Guidas on Aug 19, 2013 11:56:46 GMT -5
If he performs as projected, free agency won't be an issue hopefully. I can't see him NOT signing a contract that'll buy out the start of his free agency. FYI, super-two just refers to when he's eligible for arbitration. If he was going to be on the opening day roster next year anyway, it's a non-issue. Who is his agent? I did a double take when I saw this post because for some reason I was convinced he was a Boras client. He is a Boras client. |
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Post by pedroelgrande on Aug 19, 2013 12:12:49 GMT -5
His brother posted this picture from when they signed at Fenway.  |
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 19, 2013 13:03:10 GMT -5
They shouldn't be concerned about 6 years from now anyways. The Sox can pay top dollar to keep anyone if he's worth it. It's easier to do when a kid is homegrown and 26/27 so don't worry about his agent. Plus, Cargo signed an early extension so it can happen if the PLAYER wants it to.
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Post by jmei on Aug 19, 2013 13:29:02 GMT -5
His brother posted this picture from when they signed at Fenway. #swag |
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Post by ray88h66 on Aug 19, 2013 13:35:56 GMT -5
Good luck to the young man. Hope he tears it up.
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Post by widewordofsport on Aug 19, 2013 13:46:54 GMT -5
The defense will be what struggles, more so than the bat IMO. Nice option for when WMB inevitably cools.
As for the FA question, if hes as good as we think, who cares, hell be signed long term anyway. Wont cost more than one year anyway, and if you are signing your own player youd kinda want the contract to start younger..
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Post by hammerhead on Aug 19, 2013 14:57:46 GMT -5
Not all that important, but a fun question.... what number does Xander wear for the big club? Is ten available? seeing as "x" is ten in roman numerals...
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Post by ibsmith85 on Aug 19, 2013 15:21:20 GMT -5
Not all that important, but a fun question.... what number does Xander wear for the big club? Is ten available? seeing as "x" is ten in roman numerals... He wont get to chose right away, the Red Sox typically assign a random high number to prospects until the are established. For instance WMB wore #64 last season, before #16. In the future, I do like your idea of #10 |
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Post by taftreign on Aug 19, 2013 15:30:59 GMT -5
Instead of Trout I was thinking more along the lines of another 20 year old who came up during a playoff run.
Miguel Cabrera came up to the Marlins as a 20 year old straight from AA where he posted a .365/.429/.609 line with 10 HRs and 31 BBs vs 49 Ks in 69 games. He then hit .268/.325/.468 with 12 Hrs and 25 BBs vs 84 Ks in 87 MLB games. All in helping the Marlins defeat the Yankees 4 games to 2 in the World Series.
Bogaerts AA line this season before being promoted to Pawtucket was .311/.407/.502 with 6 HRs and 35 BBs to 51 Ks in 56 games. Taking into account the 13 less games I think he posted equivalent stats and with the AAA bridge think he could post similar scaled numbers to Cabrera's 2003 debut in the Majors for the remainder of the season if given enough ABs. Xander won't get 87 games this late in the year but I could see similar ratios with a little pop.
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Post by bjb406 on Aug 19, 2013 15:33:50 GMT -5
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Post by jchang on Aug 19, 2013 15:36:31 GMT -5
I wonder if Xander had a chance to arrange for family to come?
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Post by mainesox on Aug 19, 2013 16:22:20 GMT -5
Who is his agent? I did a double take when I saw this post because for some reason I was convinced he was a Boras client. He is a Boras client. Wasn't it reported that his brother is trying to become an agent? |
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 19, 2013 16:35:13 GMT -5
To lose his 2014 prospect eligibility and ROY status, he'd have to average 3.6 AB per game, which is exactly what AL #7 hitters are averaging this year. Since he won't be starting every game, there's essentially no threat of that happening.
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There is a compression of dynamic range in the reporting of just about everything.* Merely interesting stuff gets overhyped, while the same journalists are reluctant to make bold claims about the best stuff, even when accurate, for fear of sounding hyperbolic.
Of course, if they didn't overhype the merely good (Allen Webster, say) or even irrelevant (Julian Benbow in the Globe spending column ink on the likes of David Chester and Kevin Mager), they would leave themselves headroom to accurately describe the truly exceptional.
I know I've read, and probably more than once, that "Xander Bogaerts is the best Red Sox SS prospect since Hanley Ramirez." This is the equivalent of a TV critic reviewing the first five episodes of The Sopranos (ep 5 was "College") and declaring it "the best TV crime drama since Hill Street Blues."
I've looked at the numbers, and I believe that based on minor league performance, Xander Bogaerts is the best Red Sox prospect since Tony Conigliaro. For instance, his raw ml numbers are nearly as good as Jim Rice's, except he's now a year more advanced than Rice and he's playing better defense at the opposite end of the defensive spectrum. When Hanley was his age, he was putting up an 800 OPS split between high-A and AA.
It's perhaps ironic that he's being recalled the day after the anniversary of Tony C's beaning in 1967. A lot can happen between now and an appropriate legacy. But so far, he's been, for the prospect-watchers of a typical MLB team, a once-in-a-lifetime experience.
*I first noticed this effect as a local rock critic, pointing out (in 1986 in The Noise) that you could go back and read three contemporary articles about, say, Dutch Courage, Phobia, and Mission of Burma, and have no idea which two were perfectly decent local-scene bands and which would become iconic post-punk legends. At the time, fellow critics had written copiously about a new local band called Throwing Muses, consistently describing them as being really good for teenage girls, when in fact they were just plain astonishingly good, period.
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