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Post by jdb on Sept 14, 2012 12:33:47 GMT -5
I know this is a pipe dream (for this offseason) but what if the Marlins finances were so bad they unloaded Stanton. He is entering his Arbitration years in 2013 and they did trade Miggy after making 7.4 million in 2007.
Here are their expensive contracts.
Josh Johnson 1 yr left @ 13.75 mill Reyes 5 w/option @ 10,16,22,22,22 (22 club) Nolasco 1 yr @ 11.5 Bell 2 yrs @ 9 per Buehrle 3 yrs @ 11,18,19
They back loaded last years free agents going for it and it didnt work out. It looks like they are averaging 27K per home game (72%) but I didnt think they were doing that well.
Im not sure what their system looks like but I did see recently they need a 3B going forward. Im sure it would take several of our top prospects on top of some high priced players but how far would you go for Stanton? Im not sure. Given their one year deals I dont see Nolasco or Johnson being hard to move., the others might be for them but Reyes and Buehrle would fill needs for us.
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Post by larrycook on Sept 14, 2012 13:17:51 GMT -5
I know this is a pipe dream (for this offseason) but what if the Marlins finances were so bad they unloaded Stanton. He is entering his Arbitration years in 2013 and they did trade Miggy after making 7.4 million in 2007. Here are their expensive contracts. Josh Johnson 1 yr left @ 13.75 mill Reyes 5 w/option @ 10,16,22,22,22 (22 club) Nolasco 1 yr @ 11.5 Bell 2 yrs @ 9 per Buehrle 3 yrs @ 11,18,19 They back loaded last years free agents going for it and it didnt work out. It looks like they are averaging 27K per home game (72%) but I didnt think they were doing that well. Im not sure what their system looks like but I did see recently they need a 3B going forward. Im sure it would take several of our top prospects on top of some high priced players but how far would you go for Stanton? Im not sure. Given their one year deals I dont see Nolasco or Johnson being hard to move., the others might be for them but Reyes and Buehrle would fill needs for us. I think the Marlins would be fools to move Stanton, however if they get good medical reports on Johnson's shoulder, I could see teams making a run after him.
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Post by psusox14 on Sept 14, 2012 17:37:00 GMT -5
Although Mike Stanton would be awesome to have in the lineup, there is no way I would want to trade for him. His price would be waayyy too high. He along with Mike Trout, Clayton Kershaw, and Bryce Harper are the most valuable players in baseball since they are very young and have proven dominance in the MLB (save Harper who hasn't quite dominated yet). It's scary to think how empty any farm would be after trading for Stanton. I couldn't imagine us giving up The X-Factor, Barnes, Bradley, and a Cecchini/Swihart for him, and I couldn't imagine the Marlins taking much less. Id say stay away if this scenario would ever arise.
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Post by jdb on Sept 14, 2012 17:51:56 GMT -5
I agree but I doubt he signs an extension and he becomes a FA after 3 more years. It probably won't happen this offseason but it will happen. With us not having any dead weight we could afford for Buerhle to be our 5th start or Reyes to be our SS.
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Post by remember04 on Sept 18, 2012 5:47:49 GMT -5
I think the only scenario that this could spawn involves us taking on Reyes' contract and sending Iggy to start with the other way. Not sure I'd want to do that in this new CBA where every dollar counts. Stanton however is the type of player you go after and buy out of his arb years to extend to a contract the length of which is more to your liking
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Post by mainesox on Sept 18, 2012 11:42:02 GMT -5
I don't know that I'd advocate actually doing it, but you could take on Buehrle and Reyes to get Stanton and would still be on the hook for ~$100M less than you were with Beckett, Gonzalez, and Crawford (or about $20M less AAV).
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Post by nomar on Sept 24, 2012 15:32:38 GMT -5
I don't know that I'd advocate actually doing it, but you could take on Buehrle and Reyes to get Stanton and would still be on the hook for ~$100M less than you were with Beckett, Gonzalez, and Crawford (or about $20M less AAV). Even then we would still have to give up specs i bet. This just would never ever happen.
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Post by mainesox on Sept 24, 2012 16:39:13 GMT -5
Sure, I wasn't even mentioning what the Sox would give up in that scenario, just that they have the financial flexibility to do it.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Oct 4, 2012 12:17:33 GMT -5
They will ask for Bogaerts so no thanks.
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Post by sdiaz1 on Oct 4, 2012 13:38:03 GMT -5
Let me get this straight, in some crazy bizarre alternate - reality where Miami is willing to trade Giancarlo Stanton, you would refuse to trade Xander? Stanton is a 6 Win player right now, Xander could become that, but it is silly to act like that is a guarantee.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Oct 4, 2012 14:10:50 GMT -5
Yes.
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Post by brentl on Nov 1, 2012 13:02:14 GMT -5
Ill take the best young power hitter baseball. Thank you.
He would cost alot an entail us to take back a big contract or two. Reyes an Stanton for Xander, Igelisis, Marrero, Workman, Chech an possibly one more player like Britton or De La Rosa or worse Webster would be what it takes. So Marlins get Xander, Chech, De La Rosa, Workman, Marrero an Igelisis for Mike Stanton, Jose Reyes an a lesser prospect or player. That is alot but id seariosuly consider it an I no Id prob do it. I am all for staying young not moving most of our prospects especially the big ones an hate to barren the farm. But Mike Stantons come around rarely an to get one so young is insanely lucky. Reyes is no slouch hes still a great great player an fills a giant need at SS. We could then move Ells for prospects an help replenish the farm an wont hurt having Reyes to step into the leadoff spot. Bogaerts isnt a problem to lose if it meens getting Mike Stanton back. Workman is a middle rotation guy at best an we anuff depth at SP in minors to lose him. Iglesis isnt a bigg loss an Marrero is garbage to me so getting value for him now is great. Chech sucks losing but we got Middelbrooks an will need to replenish our depth at 3B. De La Rosa would suck to lose but he has question marks with health, an ability to stay in the rotation which would meen improving his arsenal. Our lineup is just about set now only need a 1B unless u move Stanton there ( theres a thought) an a ace SP would be another need which isnt getting reached unless we make some sort of deal for one of the top up coming ones.
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Post by sibbysisti on Nov 1, 2012 13:16:29 GMT -5
Great idea. ;D
No doubt if you also include Barnes, Bradley and Brentz that would guarantee Giancarlo in a Sox uni.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2012 13:57:28 GMT -5
i bet the marlins would be willing to trade giancarlo stanton if the sox also took on a bad contract. although this is optimistic, i'd take on jose reyes or maybe josh johnson, depending on whether he bounces back. but i would never trade a good prospect for him especially a pitcher. i don't think the sox should trade any prospects
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Post by welovewally on Nov 7, 2012 0:55:08 GMT -5
Trading for Stanton would require to much in terms of prospects even if we were willing to take on the contracts of Reyes, Buehrle & Bell
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Post by sibbysisti on Nov 7, 2012 8:05:28 GMT -5
Trading for Stanton would require to much in terms of prospects even if we were willing to take on the contracts of Reyes, Buehrle & Bell Not to be picky, but Bell plays for Arizona now.
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Post by larrycook on Nov 7, 2012 14:20:21 GMT -5
i bet the marlins would be willing to trade giancarlo stanton if the sox also took on a bad contract. although this is optimistic, i'd take on jose reyes or maybe josh johnson, depending on whether he bounces back. but i would never trade a good prospect for him especially a pitcher. i don't think the sox should trade any prospectsIf his shoulder checks out 100%, I would have no problem trading prospects for Johnson. I still consider Boegarts, Barnes, Owens and Bradley untouchable, but most everybody else is in play on this trade.
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Post by welovewally on Nov 8, 2012 3:04:47 GMT -5
Trading for Stanton would require to much in terms of prospects even if we were willing to take on the contracts of Reyes, Buehrle & Bell Not to be picky, but Bell plays for Arizona now. Yup, forgot about that
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Post by nomar on Nov 8, 2012 8:19:55 GMT -5
Pedroia + Swihart + Buchholz for Stanton + Reyes
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Post by brentl on Nov 13, 2012 18:43:33 GMT -5
Looks like Blue Jays just made it a whole lot harder to get Stanton with all the big contracts left on the Marlins suppose to go the the Jays.
I still think the re-building Marlins would deal Stanton if it ment they get back a mega deal for him. Id give Bogaerts, Chech/Swihart, Vinico an Workman to get him but thats alot to give up. But Stanton is a franshise player still getting better an still under 23 24 years old. Not sure that would be anuff mybe not.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 13, 2012 20:10:59 GMT -5
Stanton would take Bogaerts plus one of Barnes or Webster, and that's just to start (not including Bradley since they have both Marisnick and Yelich)
Keep in mind that Stanton hit 37 home runs and led the majors in slugging at age 22. He is effectively the same age as Bradley, Barnes, and Webster.
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Post by patrmac04 on Nov 13, 2012 20:40:49 GMT -5
If you are going to give up Bogarts... now is the time with the Marlins. With Reyes now on the Jays the Marlins could use a cost controlled young stud short stop.
I agree with the poster who noted that it will be harder to trade for him with most of the bad contracts removed from Miami. That said we need a stud power hitter to anchor this line-up for years to come and Stanton is that type of player. If you are going to unload top prospects ... this is the type of player to get as a return.
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Post by patrmac04 on Nov 13, 2012 20:41:28 GMT -5
How is his defense?
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Post by mainesox on Nov 13, 2012 21:58:29 GMT -5
About an hour after the news of this trade started breaking:
"Giancarlo Stanton @giancarlo818
Alright, I'm pissed off!!! Plain & Simple"
Any chance this makes a Stanton trade more likely?
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Post by gatortough on Nov 13, 2012 22:47:37 GMT -5
Any chance this makes a Stanton trade more likely? I think it does, but that doesn't mean I think the Sox are necessarily any closer to trading for him. And while I love Stanton, I don't think they would be in a better place if they did. Chad Finn tweeted something tonight about how he would say, or rather Cherington would say "hell yes" to a trade of Stanton for Barnes, Webster, and Bradley. I think that would be a moronic trade, but it's probably what it would take. I think BC is smart enough to see it closer to my view. I think keeping what is the likelihood of having three cost controlled players equaling or bettering his WAR over time would prove to be the prudent play. Obviously all hypothetical assuming that would be the package it would take. EDIT: ADDENDUM: If you switch the package to something that might be more palatable, say a Ranaudo, Cecchini, Lavarnway/Salty, Brentz + type package, it is certainly worth considering. But for me, 3 of the top 5 prospects (of a solid farm system, that the Red Sox are) are worth a youngish #1 starter, not a right fielder
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