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Post by 1mpaz10 on Jul 31, 2013 18:40:41 GMT -5
Is there any deal not involving Bogaerts or Bradley that piques Miami's interest today? Does WMB/Cecchini, Doubront, Owens, Swihart, Ranaudo/Webster even get an answer? Adding Stanton's bat would cost a truckload, but he'd be worth it. Like someone said in another thread the GM's job depends on what he gets in return for Stanton if he is in fact, traded. He's not going anywhere without a top 20 prospect. However, I'm sure they'd, at the very least, be tempted by this offer even though it's not something I would do because Owens is included.
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Post by rider on Aug 1, 2013 1:07:46 GMT -5
I'd much rather hang on to Cecchini and Owens than get Stanton
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Post by jbberlo22 on Aug 1, 2013 8:59:21 GMT -5
I'd much rather hang on to Cecchini and Owens than get Stanton guys i love prospects and its hard for me to part with any but you seriously wounldnt part with a guy who is at very best a #2 SP (definitely more likely to be a 3 or 4 though) and a 3B that can only be above average cause he doesnt have great power or great speed for one of the best young hitters in the majors? thats crazy.
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Post by xxdamgoodxx on Aug 1, 2013 9:11:43 GMT -5
Bradley is less immovable than people think. I would definitely think twice about doing it, but you could potentially move Victorino to CF for the next 2 years and who knows? maybe Margot has made himself a candidate to be the CF of the future and you might get another JBJ in the 2014 draft who goes through the minors in 2 years and all you need is a stopgap vet for 1 season until he is ready. Also, who's going to be your power righty bat for the future (besides Boegarts) Brentz? Is Brentz the Right Fielder that is an everyday starter for the next 10 years? Stanton would cost a ton and I love me some JBJ, but if the deal were to hinge on giving up JBJ or not than I would give him up. I actually think that Cecchini is more immovable than Bradley because there is no one there at 3B for the future besides WMB (who I think will be a part-time 1B) now that the team has committed to Boegarts as their long-term SS.
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Post by jmei on Aug 1, 2013 9:26:40 GMT -5
Yeah, I would trade JBJ (and others) for Stanton in a heartbeat. Victorino moves to CF (you'd need a good backup, but there are a few interesting pending free agents-- Nyjer Morgan, Franklin Gutierrez, Rajai Davis, etc.) and this offense reaches another stratosphere.
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Post by orcoaster on Aug 1, 2013 10:12:57 GMT -5
Apparently several teams -- RS likely among them -- tried to pry Stanton away before the deadline, but Miami was not listening. Wouldn't matter what the package was. Names were never discussed. He's arbitration eligible next year and doesn't hit free agency until 2017. Looks like he'll be a Marlin for a while yet. By then we'll know more about his cranky knee, but he'll also be 27.
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Post by semperfisox on Aug 1, 2013 10:29:36 GMT -5
Bogaerts is my only untouchable. Everyone else is in play for Stanton.
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Post by rider on Aug 1, 2013 10:58:29 GMT -5
I'd much rather hang on to Cecchini and Owens than get Stanton guys i love prospects and its hard for me to part with any but you seriously wounldnt part with a guy who is at very best a #2 SP (definitely more likely to be a 3 or 4 though) and a 3B that can only be above average cause he doesnt have great power or great speed for one of the best young hitters in the majors? thats crazy. Stanton's injuries scare the crap out of me, I wouldn't part with those two in the same deal
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Post by jdb on Aug 1, 2013 11:41:05 GMT -5
I don't think we match up well with them unless we throw in Xander. Cecchini is similar to Moran, they have some good young CF options so JBJs out. I don't think they do a package around only SP prospects. This is fine by me bc I'm worried about his injuries going forward and that's a ton to give up. Probably end up in Texas in a Profar deal or STL around Tavares, Wong and pitching.
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Post by xxdamgoodxx on Aug 1, 2013 11:44:21 GMT -5
guys i love prospects and its hard for me to part with any but you seriously wounldnt part with a guy who is at very best a #2 SP (definitely more likely to be a 3 or 4 though) and a 3B that can only be above average cause he doesnt have great power or great speed for one of the best young hitters in the majors? thats crazy. Stanton's injuries scare the crap out of me, I wouldn't part with those two in the same deal What is Stanton's injury history? All I could find was a grade 2 hamstring strain and knee surgery, but there is probably more.
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Post by xxdamgoodxx on Aug 1, 2013 11:53:13 GMT -5
I don't think we match up well with them unless we throw in Xander. Cecchini is similar to Moran, they have some good young CF options so JBJs out. I don't think they do a package around only SP prospects. This is fine by me bc I'm worried about his injuries going forward and that's a ton to give up. Probably end up in Texas in a Profar deal or STL around Tavares, Wong and pitching. Could always do a 3-team trade like we did with Peavy and give JBJ to someone who needs a CF. Still a pipe dream, but he would give us HR pop that is not currently abundant in the lineup.
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Post by jrffam05 on Aug 1, 2013 12:30:34 GMT -5
I'd much rather hang on to Cecchini and Owens than get Stanton guys i love prospects and its hard for me to part with any but you seriously wounldnt part with a guy who is at very best a #2 SP (definitely more likely to be a 3 or 4 though) and a 3B that can only be above average cause he doesnt have great power or great speed for one of the best young hitters in the majors? thats crazy. I'd rather keep all those prospects, pay them league minimum for the first three years, and sign Stanton when he is a FA. Everyone talks about Cliff Lee this year, but we had a shot at signing him that off season.
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Post by qazmlpgh on Aug 1, 2013 13:21:59 GMT -5
Yeah, I would trade JBJ (and others) for Stanton in a heartbeat. Victorino moves to CF (you'd need a good backup, but there are a few interesting pending free agents-- Nyjer Morgan, Franklin Gutierrez, Rajai Davis, etc.) and this offense reaches another stratosphere. I agree. It's also worth noting that JBJ is only 5 months younger than Stanton.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Aug 1, 2013 13:42:08 GMT -5
What is Stanton's injury history? All I could find was a grade 2 hamstring strain and knee surgery, but there is probably more. I think that's pretty much it, but when you're talking about a gigantic dude who suffered fairly serious leg injuries in his age 22 and 23 seasons for no other reason than his body doesn't like running, that's pretty alarming.
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Post by mainesox on Aug 1, 2013 14:30:54 GMT -5
What is Stanton's injury history? All I could find was a grade 2 hamstring strain and knee surgery, but there is probably more. I think that's pretty much it, but when you're talking about a gigantic dude who suffered fairly serious leg injuries in his age 22 and 23 seasons for no other reason than his body doesn't like running, that's pretty alarming. He'd look pretty good standing at first base though...
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Post by bluechip on Aug 4, 2013 9:54:00 GMT -5
While I think the Marlins would want Bogaerts, it might be possible to make the trade without him, I would think, if you include Doubront in the package and a bunch of the high minors pitchers. The Red Sox have pretty amazing pitching depth in the minors. You would have to trade almost all of that depth for Stanton.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Aug 4, 2013 12:03:06 GMT -5
The big question is whether the Marlins are going to be willing to pay his $7 - $8 million price tag for 2014 - this would determine if he is available this offseason or next offseason.
If he is free this offseason, then a package centered around Doubront, Bradley and Webster (with a couple others thrown in) may interest them. Although, they seem to be pretty well-off when it comes to young pitchers, so their best play would probably be to give Doubront 3-4 months looking great in the NL and then spin him for a big haul of prospects at the deadline. For this reason, they may want to skip the middle-man and try a 3-team trade with Doubront going to a team who will provide the additional top prospect who the Marlins are seeking.
It would be nice to get either Cishek or Dunn coming back as well. They are both hitting arbitration, but I'm not sure what the Marlins would want for them (I always feel that rebuilding teams should trade away any/all of their good relievers to contending teams in order to stockpile more talent).
Impossible to know what they would want (this may be enough or not even close - depending on what they can get elsewhere), but would everyone be ok giving up the following? Doubront, Bradley, Webster, Lavarnway (gives them cost controlled R/L platoon at C), Bryce Brentz, Alex Wilson (cheap reliever filler) and Sean Coyle
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Stanton, Cishek
What if the Red Sox threw in Ranaudo on top of all of that?
(If they were to make this trade then it would be important to throw the bank at Ellsbury - Stanton can then play LF and transition to 1B with a later transition to DH)
Also a contract extension would be necessary: 5 years and $76 mil with a 6th year option at $20 mil? (thinking 8, 12, 16, 20, 20 + 20)
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Post by jdb on Aug 4, 2013 13:16:58 GMT -5
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Aug 4, 2013 13:22:07 GMT -5
Is there any way that the injury concerns mount for the Marlins and they decide they'd rather have Yelich Ozuna Marisnick and whoever they get from the trade rather than Stanton?
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