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Post by beasleyrockah on Nov 13, 2012 23:09:33 GMT -5
If Stanton is available, he's destined for Texas. I think they value Profar and Andrus too much for Upton, but Stanton is THE type of guy that would make moving them a no brainer.
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Post by jrffam05 on Nov 13, 2012 23:38:29 GMT -5
If Stanton is available, he's destined for Texas. I think they value Profar and Andrus too much for Upton, but Stanton is THE type of guy that would make moving them a no brainer. Yea, if the Rangers were trying to flip Olt for Upton, I just don't see the Red Sox making an offer for Staton the the Rangers wouldn't beat. In that sense if Stanton was available I wouldn't put it past the Yankees to sell the farm for him. Miami's farm system would look pretty good with a Staton trade. What would you guys think if you were Miami fans?
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Post by curll on Nov 13, 2012 23:43:19 GMT -5
No chance Profar moves. Andrus, perhaps. But, I think the Marlins are sweet on pitching based on their track record. Rangers aren't so thick with talent there.
Stanton is likely worth Barnes+, but I know the board would flip out. I'm sure other clubs would give up a hell of a lot more then Barnes, so I don't think the Sox are a realistic landing spot .
If the DBacks are sweet on moving Bauer, they could flip Bauer and another to the Marlins for Stanton, then Upton to another squad.
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Post by jrffam05 on Nov 13, 2012 23:53:14 GMT -5
From Miami's viewpoint, They probably don't have much of a chance to compete in the next 2-3 years, and they only have Stanton for 4 . Arbitration will push his price up. He will never be worth more then right now. I think it would be in their best interest to trade him. And although we may put his worth at a Baurer +, I think if he was to hit this market right now to the highest bidder he would pull in a huge hall.
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Post by bluechip on Nov 14, 2012 4:42:48 GMT -5
Profar and Olt for Stanton makes so much sense and should happen, but it never will. Miami isn't going to trade Stanton. He will have just as much value next offseason, and almost as much value in two years.
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Post by jdb on Nov 14, 2012 9:00:59 GMT -5
Now with all their payroll gone, besides Nalasco, I dont see anything happening this offseason and it might not be a bad thing. This time next offseason the Sox will have more prospects nearly MLB ready.
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Post by brentl on Nov 16, 2012 15:46:28 GMT -5
Bogaerts, De La Rosa, Workman, Swihart, Chech for Stanton an mybe something of lesser or Bogaerts, Webster, Swihart/Chech an Jacobs. One of those deals could get it done. Rather do deal one.
Rangers wont trade Profar an because of that we can offer them the best deal an probally the best prospect ( offensive one at least) then any other team an have plenty of good prospects to sweeten the deal after Bogaerts. They are gonna want a big bat a good/decent SP or two an atleast one more bat, with lots of potential.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Nov 16, 2012 16:38:13 GMT -5
Maybe when Texas makes the trade we can just send some Workman/Owens/Checchini types to Florida in exchange for Elvis Andrus.
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Post by burythehammer on Dec 5, 2012 9:40:25 GMT -5
Bogaerts, De La Rosa, Workman, Swihart, Chech for Stanton an mybe something of lesser or Bogaerts, Webster, Swihart/Chech an Jacobs. One of those deals could get it done. Rather do deal one. Neither of those comes remotely close to getting it done. You named two guys who have any significant experience above A ball.
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Post by honkbal on Dec 5, 2012 10:35:03 GMT -5
Fangraphs had a good discussion last week on Stanton's trade value. Basically, their conclusion is that a fair value trade would net them Profar and Olt++ or Machado and Bundy+. In other words, forget about this happening.
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Post by nomar on Dec 5, 2012 12:41:08 GMT -5
If we flipped Ellsbury then it certainly could be possible:
Jacoby Ellsbury, Jarrod Saltalamacchia, Anthony Ranaudo, Alex Wilson & Pedro Ciriaco to the Rangers in exchange for Derek Holland and Mike Olt.
Felix Doubront, Will Middlebrooks, Allen Webster, Bryce Brentz and Blake Swihart to the Marlins in exchange for Giancarlo Stanton.
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Post by bluechip on Dec 5, 2012 13:47:03 GMT -5
If we flipped Ellsbury then it certainly could be possible: Jacoby Ellsbury, Jarrod Saltalamacchia, Anthony Ranaudo, Alex Wilson & Pedro Ciriaco to the Rangers in exchange for Derek Holland and Mike Olt. Felix Doubront, Will Middlebrooks, Allen Webster, Bryce Brentz and Blake Swihart to the Marlins in exchange for Giancarlo Stanton. That's a lot of moving parts. Its basicallys Ellsbury and Salty to the Rangers for Holland and Olt. I do not see that happening.
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Post by nomar on Dec 5, 2012 14:58:44 GMT -5
If we flipped Ellsbury then it certainly could be possible: Jacoby Ellsbury, Jarrod Saltalamacchia, Anthony Ranaudo, Alex Wilson & Pedro Ciriaco to the Rangers in exchange for Derek Holland and Mike Olt. Felix Doubront, Will Middlebrooks, Allen Webster, Bryce Brentz and Blake Swihart to the Marlins in exchange for Giancarlo Stanton. That's a lot of moving parts. Its basicallys Ellsbury and Salty to the Rangers for Holland and Olt. I do not see that happening. A buddy of mine suggested this to me. That's exactly what I told him too. Well I think the important player to get from TX would be Olt in that scenario. Maybe Perez instead of Holland. But thats the general idea I had. Yes, lots of moving parts, but that's not stopping teams anymore. After working out the kinks, I would say theres a way to benefit each side.
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Post by jdb on Jan 2, 2013 11:05:48 GMT -5
Man I hope the Marlins wait an off season to trade Stanton. Give us a year for some of our guys to develop into better trade chips.
Morosi tweet
Mariners have contacted Marlins about Giancarlo Stanton, but one source I talked with doubts a trade will occur.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2013 11:15:39 GMT -5
If we flipped Ellsbury then it certainly could be possible: Jacoby Ellsbury, Jarrod Saltalamacchia, Anthony Ranaudo, Alex Wilson & Pedro Ciriaco to the Rangers in exchange for Derek Holland and Mike Olt. Felix Doubront, Will Middlebrooks, Allen Webster, Bryce Brentz and Blake Swihart to the Marlins in exchange for Giancarlo Stanton. in this case you are basically trading away the entire future of the team for a great outfielder in stanton, and then a below-average starter and an unproven prospect. than would be an irresponsible move
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Post by nomar on Jan 5, 2013 13:39:02 GMT -5
If we flipped Ellsbury then it certainly could be possible: Jacoby Ellsbury, Jarrod Saltalamacchia, Anthony Ranaudo, Alex Wilson & Pedro Ciriaco to the Rangers in exchange for Derek Holland and Mike Olt. Felix Doubront, Will Middlebrooks, Allen Webster, Bryce Brentz and Blake Swihart to the Marlins in exchange for Giancarlo Stanton. in this case you are basically trading away the entire future of the team for a great outfielder in stanton, and then a below-average starter and an unproven prospect. than would be an irresponsible move Olt replaces WMB at 3B. With Stanton theres no dire need for Brentz. If Bogaerts ends up in LF the outfield would be filled too. Swihart, Doubront, and Webster are good, but when you're trading for a future HOF'er you give up good players. They'd be easier to replace than it is to find another player like Stanton.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jan 5, 2013 13:48:41 GMT -5
If we flipped Ellsbury then it certainly could be possible: Jacoby Ellsbury, Jarrod Saltalamacchia, Anthony Ranaudo, Alex Wilson & Pedro Ciriaco to the Rangers in exchange for Derek Holland and Mike Olt. Felix Doubront, Will Middlebrooks, Allen Webster, Bryce Brentz and Blake Swihart to the Marlins in exchange for Giancarlo Stanton. That's a lot of moving parts. Its basicallys Ellsbury and Salty to the Rangers for Holland and Olt. I do not see that happening. It's a laughable trade proposal. Why are the Rangers trading Olt and Holland for Ellsbury when Middlebrooks is apparently all it takes to get Stanton? Olt is pretty close in value to Middlebrooks, why not just take Stanton for themselves in that case? Oh, and the Rangers also have Profar. Why they wouldn't just drop that bomb if Stanton were on the market (which is isn't ) is beyond me.
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Post by nomar on Jan 5, 2013 13:56:03 GMT -5
That's a lot of moving parts. Its basicallys Ellsbury and Salty to the Rangers for Holland and Olt. I do not see that happening. It's a laughable trade proposal. Why are the Rangers trading Olt and Holland for Ellsbury when Middlebrooks is apparently all it takes to get Stanton? Olt is pretty close in value to Middlebrooks, why not just take Stanton for themselves in that case? Oh, and the Rangers also have Profar. Why they wouldn't just drop that bomb if Stanton were on the market (which is isn't ) is beyond me. Profar could be just as valuable as Stanton is, that's why. And it's definitely not laughable. As I've said before if you would actually read the whole conversation, the Texas trade may take a bit more. The are two separate deals too, not a 3 team deal.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jan 5, 2013 14:31:23 GMT -5
How is WMB + Webster for Giancarlo Stanton not laughable? In what universe does Florida not get better offers than that?
Any trade for Stanton that doesn't include Bogaerts and a lot more is a fantasy, period. (In fact, assuming that Stanton is even on the market is itself a fantasy)
And Ellsbury couldn't net Olt alone. Or Holland alone, for that matter. Ellsbury is like the second player in a trade for Holland at this point, if even that. It's entirely possible that Texas doesn't want Ellsbury at ANY price.
Both of these trades are pure Sox homerism.
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Post by nomar on Jan 6, 2013 2:14:14 GMT -5
How is WMB + Webster for Giancarlo Stanton not laughable? In what universe does Florida not get better offers than that? Any trade for Stanton that doesn't include Bogaerts and a lot more is a fantasy, period. (In fact, assuming that Stanton is even on the market is itself a fantasy) And Ellsbury couldn't net Olt alone. Or Holland alone, for that matter. Ellsbury is like the second player in a trade for Holland at this point, if even that. It's entirely possible that Texas doesn't want Ellsbury at ANY price. Both of these trades are pure Sox homerism. The proposal isnt just WMB + Webster for him. You clearly aren't even reading before you respond. WMB + Doubront + Webster + Swihart + Brentz Ellsbury could net Olt. He was pretty old for AA and had a high K rate in a big time hitters league. He's far from a sure thing at 3B. Definitely worth Holland too, pretty easily at that. Holland hasnt proved to be anything more than a passable 3 at this point and last year was more of a 4/5. You're trying to be realistic, but you're going way too far with it by overvaluing other teams' players.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jan 7, 2013 15:03:47 GMT -5
You're trying to be realistic, but you're going way too far with it by overvaluing other teams' players. Not really, I just think Ellsbury has very little trade value. And again I wonder why on earth the Rangers would want him in this scenario when they could use Holland and Olt as part of a package to get Stanton themselves. Just for context, if the Red Sox were acquiring Ellsbury (assuming the same contract status and performance/health record), and they give up anyone in the Swihart-Cecchini-Owens group for him, this board would scream bloody murder and they'd probably be right.
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Post by jdb on Apr 14, 2013 11:50:15 GMT -5
Gammo
Team after team--from Boston to Mets to Rangers and on and on--have checked in with Miami on Stanton, with "not interested" response from Ms
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Post by orcoaster on Jul 31, 2013 12:45:47 GMT -5
Is there any deal not involving Bogaerts or Bradley that piques Miami's interest today? Does WMB/Cecchini, Doubront, Owens, Swihart, Ranaudo/Webster even get an answer?
Adding Stanton's bat would cost a truckload, but he'd be worth it.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jul 31, 2013 16:37:15 GMT -5
I think Stanton will be moved in the off-season.
What I want is for Xander to come up and show he's unmovable. You know how some GMs are, they don't want to move big star players and not get the other team's #1 prospect even though not all # 1 are created equal. Its kind of a pride thing and since the Marlins have such bad public relations it'd be hard for them to accept a deal without Bogaerts unless they and the rest of baseball realize he's unmovable.
The Red Sox definitely have a enough besides Bogaerts and Bradley (I don't think they'd have much interest in him since both their big position prospects are CF)to at least have a seat at the table, perhaps even make the deal.
Its gonna cost though, and plenty of teams will be interested, I think Cecchini, Owens, Webster/Barnes are good headliners and you'll probably have to throw a couple of more lower level prospects.
It'd be tough to part with Cecchini specially since I don't have a ton of faith in Middlebrooks and I think Cecchini projects as a better player than Middlebrooks down the road, perhaps even by the middle of next year, but I expect the Marlins to feel the same way about it so he'll have to be in the deal.
Its gonna be an interesting off-season though. The Red Sox have the prospects to go out and acquire young big league talent even without dealing their two big prospects.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jul 31, 2013 17:53:37 GMT -5
Stanton's legs remind me too much of Adrian Gonzalez's shoulder.
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