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Post by fenwaythehardway on Dec 17, 2013 11:51:26 GMT -5
I am good with KAlish gone and Theo have fun with the Sox leftovers. I know a few guys are excited with the direction of the Cubs but I just don't see it. I know the FO built a better farm system but until they bear fruit we still don't know what they have there. Every season there sellers . Something in Boston that wouldn't be tolerated. They already fired there first manager that the Sox supposedly "dropped the ball on". I always want to know what really happened when Theo left and the negotiation process because there is no way that's what Ben wanted when things got settled or Larry for that matter ,He was spearheading that. I would love to be a fly on the wall. I always wanted to know who Theo would really hire , if he could grab who ever he wanted. L Good point on the manager part, but when you had almost virtually nothing in either the majors or the minors, it's going to take a while to rebuild from the ground up. Considering Theo is a fan of building from the farm up, he needs to deplete what ever resources he has in the majors to fill out the farm systems. Not to mention getting high draft picks every year goes a long way in reshaping your system. I don't fault Theo for how long it has taken him. Everyone knew what kind of project he was left with when he started. If there's anyone who can engineering the Cubs to playoff contenders and eventually World Series champions, it's Theo and Hoyer. Edit: This is a good pickup for Theo as well. A 25 year old kid with virtually no value, but had a very promising future but has been severely derailed due to injury. If Kalish can start to recapture some of that, he just acquired a valuable asset for next to nothing. What's the worst case scenario? AAAA depth and potentially releasing him after spending what is essentially pennies for owners? It was also kind of Theo to give Jed Hoyer a position on the Cub's janitorial staff. Shows a lot of loyalty to his friend who've fallen on hard times...
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Post by burythehammer on Dec 17, 2013 11:54:24 GMT -5
He'll be a scouting director/AGM in 5-10 years.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Dec 17, 2013 12:03:17 GMT -5
Good point on the manager part, but when you had almost virtually nothing in either the majors or the minors, it's going to take a while to rebuild from the ground up. Considering Theo is a fan of building from the farm up, he needs to deplete what ever resources he has in the majors to fill out the farm systems. Not to mention getting high draft picks every year goes a long way in reshaping your system. I don't fault Theo for how long it has taken him. Everyone knew what kind of project he was left with when he started. If there's anyone who can engineering the Cubs to playoff contenders and eventually World Series champions, it's Theo and Hoyer. Edit: This is a good pickup for Theo as well. A 25 year old kid with virtually no value, but had a very promising future but has been severely derailed due to injury. If Kalish can start to recapture some of that, he just acquired a valuable asset for next to nothing. What's the worst case scenario? AAAA depth and potentially releasing him after spending what is essentially pennies for owners? It was also kind of Theo to give Jed Hoyer a position on the Cub's janitorial staff. Shows a lot of loyalty to his friend who've fallen on hard times... I'm not following?
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Dec 17, 2013 12:28:26 GMT -5
There's no GM in baseball who gets less credit for the moves he makes than Jed Hoyer.
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Post by jmei on Dec 17, 2013 12:40:30 GMT -5
It's because Hoyer is widely acknowledged to be the second-in-command in that front office. Few team presidents exercise as much authority over personnel decisions as Theo.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Dec 17, 2013 12:47:45 GMT -5
Ah. I kind of wonder if Hoyer actually prefers it that way. He basically abandoned his job with the Padres to follow Theo out to Chicago. He gets to live in a bubble where he can do no right or wrong. He gets to do his job and Theo will take all the blame/credit for it. I have to imagine the two of them have a very good working relationship if Jed hasn't left and there have been no rumors of him looking around for his next position.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 27, 2014 12:21:40 GMT -5
Pete Abraham ?@peteabe 3m Glad to see @ryan_Kalish made the Cubs. Been a long two years for him with injuries. Guy has a world of talent.
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Post by pedey on Mar 27, 2014 13:08:20 GMT -5
Pete Abraham ?@peteabe 3m Glad to see @ryan_Kalish made the Cubs. Been a long two years for him with injuries. Guy has a world of talent. Yes, I wish him the best. I was very disappointed the Sox gave up on him. I feel that they could have found a 40-man spot for him. I've always been a big Ryan Kalish fan. Although he is 26, he still can get better and be a productive player.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Mar 27, 2014 14:09:38 GMT -5
Pete Abraham ?@peteabe 3m Glad to see @ryan_Kalish made the Cubs. Been a long two years for him with injuries. Guy has a world of talent. Yes, I wish him the best. I was very disappointed the Sox gave up on him. I feel that they could have found a 40-man spot for him. I've always been a big Ryan Kalish fan. Although he is 26, he still can get better and be a productive player. You can count me in on this one!! I hope Ryan has a strong career, but it really "pisses" me off he is not with us. I know.....I know.....I do understand the 40 dilemma, but there were a couple of RP I would liked to give up on instead of Kalish. Interesting that Rizzo and Kalish are both on the Cubbies and were two of my favorite prospects.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 27, 2014 14:20:53 GMT -5
I'm disappointed as well, but Ben was going to keep him in AAA for as long as he could, so I'm glad he's getting his shot in the majors.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Mar 27, 2014 14:27:48 GMT -5
I was a huge Kalish booster, thought he was a very underrated prospect and had a bright career ahead of him ... I hope I can put that all in the present tense very soon. Good news that he made the team!
I really thought he'd be the rightfielder for the Red Sox for a decade.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Mar 27, 2014 14:30:30 GMT -5
I'm disappointed as well, but Ben was going to keep him in AAA for as long as he could, so I'm glad he's getting his shot in the majors. It would have been nice to keep him but realistically he belongs on a rebuilding team that can afford to just give him a job and see what happens. Happy to see him get another shot, and good move by the Cubs for picking up a player with some upside for free.
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Post by ericmvan on Mar 27, 2014 14:32:19 GMT -5
Yes, I wish him the best. I was very disappointed the Sox gave up on him. I feel that they could have found a 40-man spot for him. I've always been a big Ryan Kalish fan. Although he is 26, he still can get better and be a productive player. You can count me in on this one!! I hope Ryan has a strong career, but it really "pisses" me off he is not with us. I know.....I know.....I do understand the 40 dilemma, but there were a couple of RP I would liked to give up on instead of Kalish. Interesting that Rizzo and Kalish are both on the Cubbies and were two of my favorite prospects. I think the one mistake of the offseason was not dealing Butler to save a roster spot for Kalish, when there were multiple teams that could have used a solid AAA / passable MLB backup catcher who had options left.
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Post by pedey on Mar 27, 2014 16:00:14 GMT -5
You can count me in on this one!! I hope Ryan has a strong career, but it really "pisses" me off he is not with us. I know.....I know.....I do understand the 40 dilemma, but there were a couple of RP I would liked to give up on instead of Kalish. Interesting that Rizzo and Kalish are both on the Cubbies and were two of my favorite prospects. I think the one mistake of the offseason was not dealing Butler to save a roster spot for Kalish, when there were multiple teams that could have used a solid AAA / passable MLB backup catcher who had options left. I agree. Butler is 27. 27 and yet to have a major league at-bat. Plus, we already have Pierzynski, Ross, Vazquez, and Lavarnway. How many catchers do we need? I would have dumped him way before I would have dumped Kalish.
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Post by moonstone2 on Mar 27, 2014 19:21:57 GMT -5
In the end the real choice came down to Lavarnway or Kalish. Given the questions about Kalish's health, I think the Sox made the obvious decision.
Butler will have more value during the season after some catchers get injured. No one needs catching in November.
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Post by mredsox89 on Mar 27, 2014 19:47:29 GMT -5
Congrats certainly to Kalish.
It's fantastic for him, but I don't think it's a huge "miss/mistake" by the Sox, certainly not at this point based on the fact that he made the Cubs 25 man roster. The Chicago OF crop is mediocre at best.
Now if he comes out of the gate on fire, and the Sox still don't do anything with the 5 catchers on the 40 man roster, then maybe it's something to look back on
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Post by okin15 on Mar 28, 2014 10:41:43 GMT -5
Congrats certainly to Kalish. The Chicago OF crop is mediocre at best. The Cubbies actually have a very muddy OF right now with Sweeney, Schierholtz and Lake all projected to start, but all projected to be below average this season (well, Lake's a rookie at least). It'll be interesting to see where he goes, but I can't imagine the Sox having kept Kalish and then probably not signing our new CF.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Mar 28, 2014 11:03:26 GMT -5
Fenway pointed out that he needs to be on a team that will actually give him a shot with a major league team, which he richly deservers. That wasn't going to happen with Boston.
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Post by godot on Mar 28, 2014 13:02:05 GMT -5
This one is beyond me. Sox do not really have much for outfield prospects, and they are some on the 40 man roster that puzzle. But they chose to let him go, perhaps believing too much of a risk, but.....
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Post by Oregon Norm on Mar 28, 2014 13:17:38 GMT -5
It's very simple. He needs a job in the majors. He's spent enough time in the minors. He wasn't going to get that with the Sox. Now he may have that. They did him a favor.
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Post by godot on Mar 28, 2014 17:01:27 GMT -5
They certainly did him a favor. Don't know their thinking here, but doubt it was mainly compassion. Who knows. Regardless, seems like he played an overall decent game with the Cubs in st. Did not hit for any power, just one extra base hits, but do now know how his abats went. He did walk 6 times in limited abats, and swiped 6 bases. He can play all positions, not a great shakes as center fielder. Other than Bradley, the Sox really do not have much of anything for outfield prospects in the minors. Oh well. Brentz could surprise thou, but that's what it would be, a surprise. Best of luck to Kalish. Did not realize he had the same operation as Peyton Manning and the same doc, even the same room. Wonder if he has the same nurses.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 28, 2014 19:52:06 GMT -5
The fact Kalish made one of the worst rosters in baseball doesn't tell us much. This "disappointed" stuff should really be put on hold until he actually performs in the majors for an extended stretch. The majority of the Cubs roster wouldn't make this Red Sox team.
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Post by moonstone2 on Mar 29, 2014 9:04:07 GMT -5
He would be the fourth OF/DH in AAA.
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Post by godot on Mar 29, 2014 9:20:47 GMT -5
He would be the fourth OF/DH in AAA. Would he really? If he can remain healthy, wouldn't he be better than Hassan or Brentz who are marginal right now. Yeah, the Cub's roster may be mediocre but the backup outfield situation for the Sox and prospects in these positions is also mediocre. Regardless, I am am jumping the gun here. Let's see how Ryan performs.
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Post by chavopepe2 on Mar 29, 2014 10:12:57 GMT -5
Kalish was one of my all time favorite prospects coming up. I hope he kills it with the Cubs and becomes everything I once thought he could be. And if that happens I still won't blame the Sox for the decision they made because I don't think he would have ever gotten that chance with this team.
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