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Post by stevedillard on Jul 2, 2014 7:38:37 GMT -5
Happy July 2 nd everyone!
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 2, 2014 7:42:52 GMT -5
Happy July 2 nd everyone! Not quite yet Ben Badler ?@benbadler 27m 9 a.m. ET RT @tjco1006 what time does the bell ring for official signings?
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Post by Jonathan Singer on Jul 2, 2014 8:01:40 GMT -5
Open for business
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 2, 2014 8:05:26 GMT -5
Twins sign Ynoa... Jesse Sanchez ?@jessesanchezmlb Source: #Twins have agreed to $800K deal w/ RHP Huascar Ynoa, #17 on @mlb Top Int’l Prospects list atmlb.com/1irBBzQ @mlbpipeline
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Post by joshv02 on Jul 2, 2014 8:21:04 GMT -5
an international draft is going to be really interesting because how do you weigh a totally raw 15 yo vs a polished college kid? I'd guess an international draft would be separate from the domestic draft. Yes, the CBA contemplates a separate international draft with seprate bonus pools.
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Post by jmei on Jul 2, 2014 8:45:00 GMT -5
You know how I know they're putting in an international draft? They already have draft money all slotted and everything. That's one of the reasons I think a lot of teams are blowing past their IFA allotments this year-- because they suspect a draft will come within the next few years.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 2, 2014 9:59:43 GMT -5
Jesse Sanchez ?@jessesanchezmlb Source: #RedSox have agreed to $1.5M deal RHP w/Chris Acosta, ranked #6 on @mlb Top Intl Prospects list htt://atmlb.com/1irBBzQ @mlbpipeline
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jul 2, 2014 10:04:37 GMT -5
1 down 1 to go.
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Post by Jonathan Singer on Jul 2, 2014 10:18:35 GMT -5
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Post by mjay24 on Jul 2, 2014 10:29:00 GMT -5
Quick thought, With the sox already signing Acosta, and most likely signing Espinoza to a rumored 2 million dollar deal, that would put them past their cap of 1.881,370 by 1.6 million. The sox have not been linked to any other high profile guys that should command 500k or over. I don't like the theory of going over the cap and losing the ability to not sign any high profile guys for next year or depending on how much they spend the next 2 years unless your going with the Yankees strategy and signing like 10 of the top 40 prospects. I think the Red Sox should trade for cap space by using Doubront. Theres teams who have not been linked to any meaningful international players and their cap would go to waste if they did not spend it. I think trade Doubront who is still young enough to figure it out would be perfect for a team not projected to spend to their cap, while the sox still sign the two best pitchers on the market, and have the ability next year to be the number 1 player on the international market with teams like the Yankees cubs and rangers not being able to make a splash next year. Thoughts??
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 2, 2014 10:29:02 GMT -5
Google translation of the key sentence but no mention of the amount.
"I am very happy with this signing. It is no longer just a game, but my future as a professional, "Espinoza said about his agreement with the Red Sox.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 2, 2014 10:32:04 GMT -5
Quick thought, With the sox already signing Acosta, and most likely signing Espinoza to a rumored 2 million dollar deal that would put them past their cap of 1.881,370 by 1.6 million. The sox have not been linked to any other high profile guys that should command 500k or over. I don't like the theory of going over the cap and losing the ability to not sign any high profile guys for next year or depending on how much they spend 2 years unless your going with the Yankees strategy and signing like 10 of the top 40 prospects. I think the Red Sox should trade for cap space by using Doubront. Theres teams who have not been linked to any meaningful international players and their cap would go to waste if they did not spend it. I think trade Doubront who is still young enough to figure it out would be perfect for a team not projected to spend to their cap, the sox still sign the two best pitchers on the market, and have the ability next year to be the number 1 player on the international market with teams like the Yankees cubs and rangers not being able to make a splash next year. Thoughts?? Cap is maxed out at 1.5 times the original cap. There's also, as far as I've seen, no mention of the financial considerations involved in the Rich Hill deal so we might have already done that. (Or might not have).
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Post by joshv02 on Jul 2, 2014 10:32:46 GMT -5
I think the Red Sox should trade for cap space by using Doubront. Theres teams who have not been linked to any meaningful international players and their cap would go to waste if they did not spend it. They can only trade for up to 50% of their pool space -- $950k. That would only give a total pool of $2.7mm, which is likely well below what the two pitchers got combined. Therefore, there is no point in trading for pool space this year.
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Post by mjay24 on Jul 2, 2014 10:40:50 GMT -5
Dammit didn't know that thanks for the reply
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jul 2, 2014 10:41:09 GMT -5
Huge surprise they have signed Espinoza and Acosta.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 2, 2014 10:53:11 GMT -5
I think the Red Sox should trade for cap space by using Doubront. Theres teams who have not been linked to any meaningful international players and their cap would go to waste if they did not spend it. They can only trade for up to 50% of their pool space -- $950k. That would only give a total pool of $2.7mm, which is likely well below what the two pitchers got combined. Therefore, there is no point in trading for pool space this year. I think there is a tiered penalty system with different ranges and penalties. I think (but not certain) range 1 is a tax, range 2 adds 1 year of limits and the final stage is 2 years of sanctions. With 950k I'm not sure if that would effect the sanction range they would achieve.
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Post by jmei on Jul 2, 2014 10:56:52 GMT -5
Here are the penalties for going over the pool amounts. The combined values of the reported amounts of Acosta and Espinoza (roughly $3.5m combined) would represent 129% of the maximum amount of pool space the Sox could acquire ($2.7m). So it wouldn't lessen the penalty other than slightly reducing the tax amount.
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Post by mjay24 on Jul 2, 2014 10:57:35 GMT -5
Yeah it doesn't seem that way, hopfully they can pull another top 30 signing out of their ass to make it really worth not being able to spend more than 300k the next two years, hopfully an outfielder
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Post by taftreign on Jul 2, 2014 11:08:21 GMT -5
I don't know that I care if they sign more top 30 guys who will cost 750,000 plus. Rather I'm content signing the top guys they target (Acosta and Espinoza) and then go for quantity. There have already been 3 other players speculated in the $200,000 to $400,000 range and experience shows us they are just as likely to become MLBers as the million dollar prospects. Two top pitchers and 6 or 7 players in the lesser $ category is more than acceptable.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jul 2, 2014 11:11:16 GMT -5
These kids are so hit and miss that I'm not going to worry too much about who they sign and don't sign from here on out. I think had relationships with Acosta and Espinoza and that helped. There was an opportunity and they felt these kids are worth the risk. (and they likely figure we're going to an international draft in the couple years anyway). I don't think they're afraid to spend the money now, but they're not going to outbid other teams just for the sake of spending more money. Maybe we can find a couple low bonus surprises.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 2, 2014 11:18:33 GMT -5
I think the last minute call a kid's agent and outbid the MFY that people are picturing just doesn't exist. Virtually all of the top 30 will be signed in the first day. These relationships have been going on for months and it's often the signing teams representatives that have walked the kids through the MLB approval process. It just doesn't work like people are picturing. We're more likely to see the Sox sign players not generally on the big radar screen.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jul 2, 2014 11:22:11 GMT -5
Going over is not just for July 2. There are guys who become elegible later, like the Basabe brothers. Others pop up looking better than they are now, like Carlos Matias aka Carlos Martinez. The Red Sox can be active in all this "markets" throughout the next year.
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Post by RedSoxStats on Jul 2, 2014 11:37:43 GMT -5
Acosta was 1.5, Espinoza was 1.8
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Post by jmei on Jul 2, 2014 11:43:13 GMT -5
I think that still makes them 122% of the maximum the Red Sox could acquire, which means they're paying the max penalty.
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Post by dominicansoxfan on Jul 2, 2014 11:51:47 GMT -5
Anderson Espinoza was signed for "almost" 2 million according to linderendeportes.com and Roniel Raudez was signed for 350k according to laprensa.com.ni
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