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Post by jmei on Jun 16, 2014 13:49:02 GMT -5
He's athletic, but there's just about zero indication that Carbonell can hit. He didn't start for his Cuban team until the year before he defected, and he's 23 already. It's easy to dream on upside, but there's a reason he only got a $1m bonus.
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Post by jimoh on Jun 17, 2014 12:40:34 GMT -5
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Post by soxfanatic on Jun 17, 2014 12:43:15 GMT -5
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Post by azblue on Jun 17, 2014 20:06:01 GMT -5
Yankees projected to sign 4 of top 10.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jun 17, 2014 20:08:03 GMT -5
The wrong 4, hopefully!
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jun 18, 2014 11:06:22 GMT -5
The only guy I'd be jealous about isn't even one of the guys signing with the Yankees, though I do Like their OF Juan De Leon, it's Adrian Rodon the 15 y/o SS the Rays are going to sign most probably. I don't know much bout him other than what hast been written by Badler and small video I've seen but his profile is very good. A middle of the field player with a high chance of staying at SS, good hitter and developing power is very intriguing.
He seems to profile as a good hitter but the Red Sox like 2 million dollar light-hitting SS so that's why they probably aren't interested.... I'm joking off course.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 20, 2014 8:52:54 GMT -5
Ben Badler ?@benbadler Big, big news out of Cuba. Yasmani Tomas, one of Cuba's top power hitters, has defected and is on his way to MLB: bit.ly/1rfx57pBen Badler ?@benbadler He just left the country. Long process ahead. RT @darin926 any word on what teams are going after him Ben Badler ?@benbadler I've see Yasmani Tomas play in Japan, the US and in the Cuban league over the last 15 months. Swing has holes, but the raw power is huge. Ben Badler ?@benbadler Not for me. Abreu a much more polished hitter at this stage. RT @rrrubennnnnn scouting report similar to Jose Abreu ?
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Post by ibsmith85 on Jun 20, 2014 9:02:31 GMT -5
Ben Badler ?@benbadler Big, big news out of Cuba. Yasmani Tomas, one of Cuba's top power hitters, has defected and is on his way to MLB: bit.ly/1rfx57p ESPN.com
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jun 20, 2014 9:16:14 GMT -5
The Red Sox better be on the chase and do EVERYTHING to sign this guy. Talk about a fit to what the team SORELY lacks, a power hitting OF. It's not even about this season it's about the future the farm doesn't have it, the US free agent/trade market doesn't have it and if it has it is valued at a way too high premium.
Do it Ben, don't over think it, if he bust we can always blame you.
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Post by jmei on Jun 20, 2014 9:23:29 GMT -5
Because he has yet to establish residency and be cleared by OFAC, it's very unlikely that Tomas will sign in time to impact the 2014 season. But he seems like an intriguing player who fills an organizational void and is young enough that even if he needs seasoning in AAA, his upside might be worth the gamble. Still, considering the inflation in the IFA market of late, the bidding will likely reach high levels, and there has to be a point at which the front office is willing to walk away. Where that point should be, I'll leave to someone who has done more than read a couple scouting reports about him.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 20, 2014 10:13:40 GMT -5
I saw this guy during two weeks in Japan during the WBC so take this for what it's worth. Massive power but got beat inside near the hands and up in the zone. May not be as adept with advanced breaking stuff, but overall in the brief time I saw him, seemed like he had decent plate recognition and didn't seem to mind taking a walk. He is the kind of guy where, if a pitcher make a mistake he will crush it. He's also the kind of guy I would feel good about if he was swinging on first-pitch fastball strikes if they are middle, or middle-out. Chased some stuff out of the zone but he made solid contact as much as he missed when he did. He looked like a guy who could possibly produce a .250-260ish ave with decent OBP for that range at his peak with a ceiling of .330ish OBP at his peak BUT if he can learn to plug one of the two deficits in his swing - difficulty with breaking stuff in or outside, or FBs up and in - he could become a very dangerous man (think Encarnacion). The power is very real - BP was absurd. He'll hit alotta jacks. Average speed. He's young, too. He'll be a winter sign, open to the highest bidder.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jun 20, 2014 10:16:42 GMT -5
Serious question, is he much different, offensively, than Will Middlebrooks? The scouting report seem to say crushes FB, needs work on hitting the breaking ball. Sounds like WMB, although this is one sentence. Not sure if anyone has seen him enough in international play to have a sense.
ADD: Thanks, Guidas. You apparently posted while I was typing
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 20, 2014 11:05:34 GMT -5
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Post by GyIantosca on Jun 20, 2014 11:06:38 GMT -5
This is the guy the Sox need to hit on. I don't see a power outfielder on the horizon for the Sox. They are clearing lots of money in the next year or two. Between Papi and Napoli that about 40 to 50 home runs that will be leaving because of there contracts expiring or getting older also in the next two years.
I keep reading the international reports and they have the MFY tagged with 4 of these guys at about 2 million a piece. So basically there saying they don't give a crap there getting what they want this year?
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Post by steveofbradenton on Jun 20, 2014 11:21:30 GMT -5
After looking at the "top 30" and seeing over and over that the Yankees and the Astros (and others) are the favorites to sign them, I don't understand how our organization who has somewhat implied in was going to go over budget this year is only tied to two kids. If you are going over.....GO OVER!!
Am I not seeing something? Why go over a few bucks? There were several players, especially outfielders, who were quite interesting on that list. I understand NOT giving Lester 5 years or more, but I don't see how we cannot be very aggressive in the international draft. I can't even imagine how far over the Yankees are going over their budget.
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Post by mgoetze on Jun 20, 2014 11:43:26 GMT -5
This is the guy the Sox need to hit on. What does that mean? They need to sign him first and scout him later?
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Post by alnipper on Jun 20, 2014 11:46:36 GMT -5
The only reason they might have for not going over is because they think they'll possibly have a bad record. With a top 10 bad record we'd have more pool money than last year. Next year or in two years may have a better talent pool. I don't like such thinking because there might be an international draft. I am for going over the budget.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 20, 2014 11:50:28 GMT -5
The only reason they might have for not going over is because they think they'll possibly have a bad record. With a top 10 bad record we'd have more pool money than last year. Next year or in two years may have a better talent pool. I don't like such thinking because there might be an international draft. I am for going over the budget. There is no chance the Red Sox will stay under budget if they sign Acosta and Espinoza.
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Post by jmei on Jun 20, 2014 12:27:03 GMT -5
They're already committed to going over. The complaint is that if they're going to go over, they might as well pull a Yankees and go way, way over. My issue with that logic is that even before there was a cap, it was a bad idea just to throw money hand over fist at guys. You have to set a value at which is makes sense to sign each player, and if they want more than that, you don't give it to them-- the same logic used in the MLB free agent market. Given how little we know about each of these guys (literally a two-sentence scouting report and, if we're lucky, a snippet of bad Youtube footage), it seems unfair to demand that the Red Sox sign all these guys or else they're being cheap.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 20, 2014 12:52:03 GMT -5
I saw this guy during two weeks in Japan during the WBC so take this for what it's worth. Massive power but got beat inside near the hands and up in the zone. May not be as adept with advanced breaking stuff, but overall in the brief time I saw him, seemed like he had decent plate recognition and didn't seem to mind taking a walk. He is the kind of guy where, if a pitcher make a mistake he will crush it. He's also the kind of guy I would feel good about if he was swinging on first-pitch fastball strikes if they are middle, or middle-out. Chased some stuff out of the zone but he made solid contact as much as he missed when he did. He looked like a guy who could possibly produce a .250-260ish ave with decent OBP for that range at his peak with a ceiling of .330ish OBP at his peak BUT if he can learn to plug one of the two deficits in his swing - difficulty with breaking stuff in or outside, or FBs up and in - he could become a very dangerous man (think Encarnacion). The power is very real - BP was absurd. He'll hit alotta jacks. Average speed. He's young, too. He'll be a winter sign, open to the highest bidder. Laying off those pitches he can't handle is what plate recognition is all about. I imagine he'll never see a fastball in the majors.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 20, 2014 12:59:45 GMT -5
Extremely intriguing. I don't have an issue with the team not coming away with Abreu given that they were fighting for the World Championship with Napoli being a big contributor, but here's a position of need and a team that needs young power. Yasmani Tomas could be exactly what the Sox need. He's young enough to improve and be an impact player and with other youngsters coming up(Bogaerts is already here), Betts and Swihart, he could be a core player on the team going forward.
The Sox need to spend the money if they think he's a major talent. And I hope they judge correctly. I remember reading that the Sox questioned if Tanaka would be much more than a #3 starter and quite clearly he is.
I think it was good to see Yaz in LF and it could be pretty cool to see Yas in LF for the Sox going forward.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jun 20, 2014 13:03:03 GMT -5
I understand people read these lists and go "why don't they sign this guy, that guy" etc. etc. etc. But the amateur International market has way too may variables that affect it and scouting 16 year olds is incredibly hard, one moth they can't hit, the next moth they improve greatly and changes their entire equation. I'm all for fully backing our amateur international scouting department since they have been better than avg lately at identifying who to go after. But just signing everyone who is considered a top 30 prospect is not gonna cut it, thats not how it works, I would start listing names of guys who sign for mid range bonuses and are way better than guys who signed for millions but you guys know them because the list is large.
Also why are we focusing on "why are the Red Sox not signing some of these other guys that I've just read their name on my screen" ? instead of saying "The Red Sox are favorites to sign two of the top 10"
I can guarantee they'll also sign other guys that perhaps aren't as heralded but who the heck knows what they'll be in a year or two.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 20, 2014 13:10:00 GMT -5
What Norberto said. Plus, many of these players made verbal commitments a long time ago. It's not like there's a sudden scramble on J2 to make offers to these guys.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 20, 2014 13:28:25 GMT -5
It's interesting that of the top 30, only 5 are pitchers. Of the top 10, 2 are pitchers and both associated with the Sox.
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Post by semperfisox on Jun 20, 2014 13:43:49 GMT -5
hopefully we make a play for Yasmani Tomas
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