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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2012 20:08:31 GMT -5
One more thing:
HANG ON TO EVERY SINGLE PROSPECT. KEEP THE FARM SYSTEM INTACT! NOT A SINGLE PROSPECT SHOULD BE DEALT!!!!!!!!!!!!! IF ANYTHING, TRADE FOR PROSPECTS!
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Post by dmaineah on Oct 15, 2012 20:20:46 GMT -5
One more thing: HANG ON TO EVERY SINGLE PROSPECT. KEEP THE FARM SYSTEM INTACT! NOT A SINGLE PROSPECT SHOULD BE DEALT!!!!!!!!!!!!! IF ANYTHING, TRADE FOR PROSPECTS! There's a couple we could & should trade if we could get some team to buy into the unrealistic hype being thrown about.
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Post by larrycook on Oct 16, 2012 13:38:31 GMT -5
Starting Rotation: RHP Clay Buchholz LHP Jon Lester RHP Brandon McCarthy LHP Felix Doubront RHP Rubby De La Rosa Bullpen: RHP Clayton Mortensen RHP Scott Atchison LHP Franklin Morales RHP Daniel Bard LHP Andrew Miller LHP Craig Breslow RHP Mark Melancon RHP Junichi Tazawa Catcher: Jarrod Saltalamacchia Ryan Lavarnway 1st Base: Mauro Gomez Jerry Sands 2nd Base: Dustin Pedroia Shortstop: Pedro Ciriaco Jose Iglesias 3rd Base: Will Middlebrooks Left Field: Daniel Nava Center Field: Jacoby Ellsbury Ryan Kalish Right Field: Cody Ross Designated Hitter: David Ortiz I welcome comments. Tell me what you think. Nice realistic projection. You have 13 pitchers? seems like 1 too many. If we could sign/trade for a solid #2 starter and send Rubby to Pawtucket, then I would feel better with this lineup.
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Post by dmaineah on Oct 16, 2012 16:34:40 GMT -5
Lineup vs RHP: CF Jacoby Ellsbury 2B Dustin Pedroia DH David Ortiz 3B Will Middlebrooks RF Cody Ross C Jarrod Saltalamacchia 1B Mauro Gomez LF Daniel Nava SS Pedro Ciriaco Lineup vs LHP: CF Jacoby Ellsbury 2B Dustin Pedroia DH David Ortiz 3B Will Middlebrooks RF Cody Ross C Ryan Lavarnway 1B Jerry Sands LF Daniel Nava SS Pedro Ciriaco I welcome comments. Tell me what you think. Your line up vs RH or LH is good enough to finish with about 70 wins. Any line up with Ciriaco and Nava as everyday starters is going to be very week. If that's what your happy with I guess that's what you go with but I want more and I want to be competitive every year. I'm not looking for a couple of 70 win seasons while we wait for Xander, Brentz, Barnes, Webster etc...The Red Sox have the money & the prospects to be a contender in the Division while keeping an eye on the future if properly managed.
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Post by nomar on Oct 16, 2012 19:11:36 GMT -5
i doubt that we only make one move this offseason and that it would be McCarthy. Whats the hurry to find a new manager and resign Ortiz and Ross if they arent going to try to make some moves?
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Post by welovewally on Oct 16, 2012 23:02:20 GMT -5
The 2013 Red Sox: Acquistions: Free Agents: SP Brandon McCarthy Trades Candidates; RHP Alfredo Aceves RF Ryan Sweeney RHP Andrew Bailey SS Mike Aviles RHP John Lackey The sox need to acquire a (1) a pitching prospect, (2) a shortstop, (3) a player with power such as Allen Craig, Mark Trumbo, or Todd Frazier who can play first or outfield Resign Ortiz, Ross. Do not resign Cook, Podsednik, Padilla Starting Rotation: RHP Clay Buchholz LHP Jon Lester RHP Brandon McCarthy LHP Felix Doubront RHP Rubby De La Rosa Other Starter Candidates: Zach Stewart, Junichi Tazawa, Clayton Mortensen, Chris Hernandez, Drake Britton, Franklin Morales, Alfredo Aceves (If he is not traded), Allen Webster Bullpen: RHP Clayton Mortensen RHP Scott Atchison LHP Franklin Morales RHP Daniel Bard LHP Andrew Miller LHP Craig Breslow RHP Mark Melancon RHP Junichi Tazawa Other Bullpen Candidates: Josh Fields, Chris Carpenter, Pedro Beato Catcher: Jarrod Saltalamacchia Ryan Lavarnway 1st Base: Mauro Gomez Jerry Sands 2nd Base: Dustin Pedroia Shortstop: Pedro Ciriaco Jose Iglesias 3rd Base: Will Middlebrooks Left Field: Daniel Nava Center Field: Jacoby Ellsbury Ryan Kalish Right Field: Cody Ross Designated Hitter: David Ortiz Lineup vs RHP: CF Jacoby Ellsbury 2B Dustin Pedroia DH David Ortiz 3B Will Middlebrooks RF Cody Ross C Jarrod Saltalamacchia 1B Mauro Gomez LF Daniel Nava SS Pedro Ciriaco Lineup vs LHP: CF Jacoby Ellsbury 2B Dustin Pedroia DH David Ortiz 3B Will Middlebrooks RF Cody Ross C Ryan Lavarnway 1B Jerry Sands LF Daniel Nava SS Pedro Ciriaco There are many other aquisitions that the Sox can do. I'm just naming basic ones. There are countless guys they can sign to minor league deals. I don't know why everyone says the Sox need to sign a first baseman. They already have two good prospect first basemen in Jerry Sands and Mauro Gomez. Looking at their career splits, Sands crushes lefties and slumps against righties, while Gomez crushes righties and slumps against lefties. That is why I changed them in the lineups. I welcome comments. Tell me what you think. Well first off it appears you have a 26 man roster without a Closer. And Nava as a starting Outfielder? Other then that if it was your intention to have a bridge year roster that doesn't compete while waiting for the kids to develop I think you did it. I suggested something similar.
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Post by brendan98 on Oct 17, 2012 15:42:15 GMT -5
To build my 2013 Red Sox, I first have to define what my goal for 2013 is. Having won 2 World Championships in the last 10 years, I do not think that having a goal of a +.500 ballclub, or even a playoff ballclub, is a goal that the Sox should set. The goal should either be, Option A - put together a championship caliber ballclub for 2013, or Option B - begin building a club in 2013, that can win a championship in 2014 and moving forward. Looking realistically at this team, a championship in 2013 could be a possibility, however to accomplish it, the club would likely have to resort to overpaying for players, either in terms of contracts (free agency) or prospects (trades), that will not lend itself to long term success, and which will hardly guarantee a playoff team let alone a championship. Lets be for real, it would be extremely difficult, and even more costly, for the Sox to build a team this offseason, that would look anywhere near as competitive as the 2012 Red Sox looked last spring, and we all know how that club ended up. For that reason, I hope that the Red Sox management takes an Option B approach to 2013.
I think most decisions should be made with an eye towards the future, though some can be made with the now in mind, or the heart (for example, I would not be against giving Ortiz a 2 year deal, providing he were willing to compromise a little and settle on an annual salary in the same range as the last couple of years).
To me the first thing that must be set in place is the manager, I am fine with Farrell as long as any compensation is a B prospect or less (maybe someone like a Linares or a Vitek). Wallach, Ausmus, and Pena all seem like solid candidates as well and I'd be fine with any of those 3 if Toronto is going to demand more for Farrell.
The next big decision in my mind is Ellsbury, JBJ is the centerfielder and likely leadoff hitter of the future for the Red Sox, perhaps as soon as 2013 at some point, what that means as far as Ellsbury is concerned is that if the Sox can resign him they are resigning a LF. The Sox should approach Ellsbury this offseason about an extension, and should make an offer commensurate with how they would pay a 29 year old LF with elite skills but an extensive injury history. My guess is that Boras will advise Ellsbury to play the year out and test free agancy, and if so I think the Sox should trade Ellsbury as soon as they can get the maximum return for him (probably just after the big name Free Agents sign). Now I realize, that could leave the Red Sox with some mix of Sweeney, Kalish, Lin in CF, just keep in mind that Bradley is on the horizon.
Sticking with the outfield, the candidates for LF and RF, I am in favor of resigning Ross if the Sox can get him on a fair deal, which for me is south of 4 years, and south of $8M per. Nava should be given a chance to compete for a spot, as should Podsednik, and Lin/Kalish/Sweeney could be possibilities in those spots if not being utilized in CF. As for FA's the 2 big names to me are BJ Upton and Josh Hamilton, Upton's OBP dipped below .300 last year and though his power took a good jump, I am guessing he will have to be vastly overpaid. Hamilton is intriguing for 1 reason, all of the red flags might mean that he does not get the mega contract in terms of years or salary that he desires. If the Red Sox could get Hamilton at 4-5 years at $15M per, he could be a gamble that could pay off. I'd be a fool to say that his dependency problems don't concern me, but I think any huge deal Hamilton signs will come with contract language protecting the signing team.
Movig to the infield, Middlebrooks is the 3B, Pedroia is the 2B, that leaves SS and 1B to fill. My opinion is that the SS job should be given to Iglesias in 2013. A full season would give Iglesias a good sample size to show the Red Sox his value, and give the Sox the opportunity to evaluate whether they want to move forward with a defensive whiz with a limited bat at SS, while also being able to watch Xander's progress (and growth) for another year. 1B is possibly the most challenging position to predict for 2013 and moving forward, as far as a long term prospect is concerned, the only one in the system that comes to mind is Travis Shaw, and there seems to be serious doubt as to his ability to hit advanced pitching, looking at our 1B prospects, it is painful to think about having traded Rizzo (hell, I'd like to have Lars right now). Free agent options for this year are less than thrilling, LaRoche will be in demand, and will get too much IMO, I like the Napoli idea, but could even see him getting silly $$$. A Gomez/Sands platoon could be the solution, but certainly isn't going to excite anyone, which means a trade may be a real option. Very tough to predict who is really available, and how much they might cost, speculating who it might be could be an exhausting exercise. Napoli might be the best option, if the Sox have to overpay for him, I'd prefer that it be in dollars vs years (2 or 3 years would be preferable). Long term, I think the Sox 1B could end up being Shaw, or another prospect who changes position (Xander/Cecchini/Jacobs).
Running out of time for now, be back to finish up with C and P later.
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Post by nomar on Oct 17, 2012 16:42:03 GMT -5
Ive actually thought of Jacobs moving too, but his bat needs development and that is not something ou can assume will happen at this point. If al goes well he could be a great hitter. He has a world of potential.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Oct 17, 2012 19:27:19 GMT -5
My problem with this post is I want to compete next year, but I really think we would be better off for the future if we decided to use 2013 as a year in which we re-build for much greater success starting in 2014. Many of our better prospects will be getting their feet wet this year, but really making a difference in 2014 and beyond.
Keeping this in mind, all of my decisions would be based on getting younger and not using the band-aid approach.
Catcher -- a platoon of Salty (27) and Lavarnway (25) 1st base - trade for Kendrys Morales (28) if not a steep cost 2nd base - Pedroia (29) shortstop - Iglesias (22) 3rd base - Middlebrooks (24) leftfield - Kalish (24 ) and Sands (25) platoon centerfield - Victorino-sign for 2 years/Bradley (22) takes over when ready rightfield - Ross (32) - resign for 2/Brentz (23) takes over when ready and Ross is our LF
Trade Jacoby Ellsbury to Seattle for Danny Hultzen (23) or San Francisco for Brandon Belt (24)
Rotation: Lester (29), Buchholz (28), Doubront (25), Brandon McCarthy (29), Rubby De La Rosa (23)
Closer and 8th Inning Guy: Andrew Bailey (28) and Junichi Tazawa (26)
Bullpen: Mark Melancon (27), Andrew Miller (27), Clayton Mortensen (27), Alex Wilson (25).......and others
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Post by welovewally on Oct 17, 2012 23:37:45 GMT -5
I'm trying to build a playoff team while keeping prospects for the future.
In the Free Agent thread I signed; DH David Ortiz LF Cody Ross CF Michael Bourn SP Zack Grienke SP Anibal Sanchez
Now I need to make some trades;
Jon Lester to Milwaukee for Cory Hart (both with one year left for about the same $$$)
Ellsbury & Melancon to Washington for Minor League SP Alex Meyer
Buchholz & Aviles to Miami for Josh Johnson & Minor League OF Christian Yelich
JBJ & DeJesus to Philadelphia for Minor League 1B Darin Ruf & SP Jonathan Pettibone
25/40 Man Roster;
C - Salty 1B - Ruf 2B - Pedroia 3B - Middlebrooks SS - Iglesias LF - Ross CF - Bourn RF - Hart DH - Ortiz
Starting Pitchers;
Grienke Sanchez Johnson Lackey Doubront
Bullpen;
Mortenson Bard Hill Breslow Miller Morales Bailey
The Bench;
Lavarnway Sweeney Ciriaco Gomez
In The Minors;
SP Webster SP De La Rosa SP Stewart SP Pimentel SP Britton SP Meyer SP Pettibone RP Tazawa RP Beato RP Carpenter 1B/OF Sands 3B Valencia OF Nava OF Kalish OF Yelich
One thing I didn't take into consideration is anybody who is rule 5 eligible and would need to be added to the 40 man roster. A Catcher would definitely be needed. I added Yelich, Meyer & Pettibone to the 40 man roster but did not check to see if they needed to be added yet so there could be a couple of spots there. Also the everyday lineup is RH heavy & the bullpen has 4 LH so maybe another trade involving a LH RP for another minor leaguer is in order. Hart can play RF for a year then hopefully Kalish, Yelich or Brentz will be ready to take over.
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Post by nomar on Oct 18, 2012 11:31:50 GMT -5
I'm trying to build a playoff team while keeping prospects for the future. In the Free Agent thread I signed; DH David Ortiz LF Cody Ross CF Michael Bourn SP Zack Grienke SP Anibal Sanchez Now I need to make some trades; Jon Lester to Milwaukee for Cory Hart (both with one year left for about the same $$$) Ellsbury & Melancon to Washington for Minor League SP Alex Meyer Buchholz & Aviles to Miami for Josh Johnson & Minor League OF Christian Yelich JBJ & DeJesus to Philadelphia for Minor League 1B Darin Ruf & SP Jonathan Pettibone 25/40 Man Roster; C - Salty 1B - Ruf 2B - Pedroia 3B - Middlebrooks SS - Iglesias LF - Ross CF - Bourn RF - Hart DH - Ortiz Starting Pitchers; Grienke Sanchez Johnson Lackey Doubront Bullpen; Mortenson Bard Hill Breslow Miller Morales Bailey The Bench; Lavarnway Sweeney Ciriaco Gomez In The Minors; SP Webster SP De La Rosa SP Stewart SP Pimentel SP Britton SP Meyer SP Pettibone RP Tazawa RP Beato RP Carpenter 1B/OF Sands 3B Valencia OF Nava OF Kalish OF Yelich One thing I didn't take into consideration is anybody who is rule 5 eligible and would need to be added to the 40 man roster. A Catcher would definitely be needed. I added Yelich, Meyer & Pettibone to the 40 man roster but did not check to see if they needed to be added yet so there could be a couple of spots there. Also the everyday lineup is RH heavy & the bullpen has 4 LH so maybe another trade involving a LH RP for another minor leaguer is in order. Hart can play RF for a year then hopefully Kalish, Yelich or Brentz will be ready to take over. Darin Ruf is Mauro Gomez, and youre willing to trade JBJ for that? That's a joke. He's a AAAA player, nothing more. Yelich is more valuable than that trade shows. It would have to take more than that to land JJ and Yelich.
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Post by welovewally on Oct 18, 2012 16:24:14 GMT -5
SP Jonathan Pettibone also comes over in the JBJ trade. And having Ruf as competition for the 1B job is good. And he's better then Gomez or AAAA. His bat is so good that Philadelphia is having him play the OF this winter so they can get him unblocked from Howard.
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Post by nomar on Oct 18, 2012 17:41:33 GMT -5
SP Jonathan Pettibone also comes over in the JBJ trade. And having Ruf as competition for the 1B job is good. And he's better then Gomez or AAAA. His bat is so good that Philadelphia is having him play the OF this winter so they can get him unblocked from Howard. The Phillies suck and need OF help so theyre seeing what they can get. Hi is literally the epitome of a AAAA player. I wouldnt even do that if we got Biddle.
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Post by bosox705 on Oct 24, 2012 15:41:59 GMT -5
i agree that 2013 is not a year to trade alot of our future but i think we can make a competitive team in 2013. And have an exciting mix of veterans and rookies for 2014 and beyond returning to the sox way of winning while still taking care of the future. so here is my go at it.
Trade Ellsbury to Mets for ike davis . davis good young power hitter and good glove. but you can tell by his 220 Avg. he has some flaws that is why the mets may be willing to take a chance on Ellsbury. The Mets may have the money and the need for another marquee player other than david wright. FA signings Hamilton 5 x 100-125 some concerns but also only true stud on market for the next couple of years when people are talking Swisher making close to 100 million hamilton would be a steal Victorino 2 x 12 great player before last year only 31 great bridge for JBJ Ross 2 x 16 he earned this proved he can thrive in Boston perfect bridge for brentz Peavy 3 x 36 heart of a lion , still has great stuff only 31 ortiz 2 x 25 papi still is great hitter and Lavarnway can give him breaks against tough leftiesand keep him fresh
roster c Salty 1b ike Davis 2b pedroia 3b middlebrooks ss iglesias lf hamilton cf victorino rf ross dh ortiz
sp lester sp bucholz sp peavy sp lackey sp doubront let lackey gain a little trade value move him when value is higher and let the best of barnes,webster delarosa,morales take that spot. rp's throw all the names breslow,carpenter,morales,miller,tazawa,de la rosa,bard,bailey,atchinson,hill,melancon,aceves let them fight it out use the surplus for small but important bench pieces
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Post by sibbysisti on Oct 27, 2012 13:44:40 GMT -5
My problem with this post is I want to compete next year, but I really think we would be better off for the future if we decided to use 2013 as a year in which we re-build for much greater success starting in 2014. Many of our better prospects will be getting their feet wet this year, but really making a difference in 2014 and beyond. Keeping this in mind, all of my decisions would be based on getting younger and not using the band-aid approach. Catcher -- a platoon of Salty (27) and Lavarnway (25) 1st base - trade for Kendrys Morales (28) if not a steep cost 2nd base - Pedroia (29) shortstop - Iglesias (22) 3rd base - Middlebrooks (24) leftfield - Kalish (24 ) and Sands (25) platoon centerfield - Victorino-sign for 2 years/Bradley (22) takes over when ready rightfield - Ross (32) - resign for 2/Brentz (23) takes over when ready and Ross is our LF Trade Jacoby Ellsbury to Seattle for Danny Hultzen (23) or San Francisco for Brandon Belt (24) Rotation: Lester (29), Buchholz (28), Doubront (25), Brandon McCarthy (29), Rubby De La Rosa (23) Closer and 8th Inning Guy: Andrew Bailey (28) and Junichi Tazawa (26) Bullpen: Mark Melancon (27), Andrew Miller (27), Clayton Mortensen (27), Alex Wilson (25).......and others Ok...but where are you going to stick John Lackey? Unless you included him with "..and others" in the bullpen.
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Post by welovewally on Nov 29, 2012 6:56:52 GMT -5
Trade Lester, Aceves & 1 of Webster or De La Rosa to KC for Myers & a PTBNL and sign Grienke & Sanchez to Start and let the kids play.
C - Salty 1B - Gomez 2B - Pedroia 3B - Middlebrooks SS - Iglesias LF - Gomes CF - Ellsbury RF - Kalish DH - Ortiz
SP - Grienke SP - Sanchez SP - Buchholz SP - Lackey SP - Doubront
RP - Morales RP - Miller RP - Breslow RP - Tazawa RP - Bard RP - Melancon RP- Bailey
Bench;
Ross Ciriaco Sweeney Sands
In the Minors;
1 of De La Rosa/Webster Pimentel Britton Wright Mortensen Chris Carpenter Wilson Beato
Lavarnway Butler Vazquez Myers Nava Hassan
Non Tender Hill & Atchison Add Myers to 40 Man Roster Roster stands at 39 players
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