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Baseball Prospectus Top 101 Prospects
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Post by rcmark on Jan 27, 2014 10:02:03 GMT -5
linkNo scouting reports, but the list is free. 2. Bogaerts 23. Bradley Jr. 51. Cecchini 64. Barnes 69. Owens 73. Swihart
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Post by soxfanatic on Jan 27, 2014 10:12:44 GMT -5
One thing I don´t understand. Webster was ahead of Swihart on the Red Sox top 10. How is he not on the top 101?
Add: Also, I don't see how Mookie doesn't make this list, while comparable players like Alcantara, Rosario, Schoop and Flores did.
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Post by patrmac04 on Jan 27, 2014 10:20:09 GMT -5
I would like to note that the only prospect the Yanks have on the list is Gary Sanchez who was ranked higher last year and dropped... this makes me feel good.
85. Gary Sanchez, C, New York Yankees Scouting Report (most recent): Link 2013 Ranking: 47
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Post by patrmac04 on Jan 27, 2014 10:22:59 GMT -5
No love for Mookie, Webster, Vasquez or Ranaudo. The only one that surprised me a bit out of those are Betts since the others can be argued against in one way or another.
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Post by jchang on Jan 27, 2014 10:26:25 GMT -5
last year, BP had 1.IF Xander Bogaerts 2.CF Jackie Bradley 3.RHP Matt Barnes 4.RHP Allen Webster 5.C Blake Swihart 6.3B Garin Cecchini 7.LHP Henry Owens 8.OF Bryce Brentz 9.SS Jose Iglesias 10. LHP Brian Johnson
this year its: 1.SS Xander Bogaerts 2.CF Jackie Bradley, Jr. 3.3B Garin Cecchini 4.RHP Matt Barnes 5.LHP Henry Owens 6.C Blake Swihart 7.RHP Allen Webster 8.2B Mookie Betts 9.C Christian Vazquez 10.LHP Trey Ball
so Webster is below 101?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 27, 2014 10:31:08 GMT -5
One thing I don´t understand. Webster was ahead of Swihart on the Red Sox top 10. How is he not on the top 101? He was not, as stated in the post above. And for those who want to quickly compare to MLB's list: 2 - Xander Bogaerts, SS 30 - Henry Owens, LHP 33 - Jackie Bradley Jr., CF 46 - Alan Webster, RHP 57 - Garin Cecchini, 3B 61 - Blake Swihart, C 62 - Mookie Betts, 2B 86 - Matt Barnes, RHP 96 - Trey Ball, LHP) The most variance seems to be on Webster (makes sense given disparity between floor and ceiling), Owens (makes some sense given disparity in how he scouted last year), Betts (probably due to his pop-up status)
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Post by soxfanatic on Jan 27, 2014 10:42:26 GMT -5
One thing I don´t understand. Webster was ahead of Swihart on the Red Sox top 10. How is he not on the top 101? He was not, as stated in the post above. And for those who want to quickly compare to MLB's list: 2 - Xander Bogaerts, SS 30 - Henry Owens, LHP 33 - Jackie Bradley Jr., CF 46 - Alan Webster, RHP 57 - Garin Cecchini, 3B 61 - Blake Swihart, C 62 - Mookie Betts, 2B 86 - Matt Barnes, RHP 96 - Trey Ball, LHP) The most variance seems to be on Webster (makes sense given disparity between floor and ceiling), Owens (makes some sense given disparity in how he scouted last year), Betts (probably due to his pop-up status) Right, I used the rankings on the OP on this thread. Could you please edit that to correct that? EDIT: Done. -Matt
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Post by jimoh on Jan 27, 2014 10:53:30 GMT -5
I think I remember Parks saw Owen on a bad day and tweeted about it. I tweeted back something about "what about his dominant last several games?" and he said "yeah, that's why you don't put too much weight on one time." But it's probably hard not to be influenced by what you yourself ses.
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Post by James Dunne on Jan 27, 2014 12:27:11 GMT -5
I think I remember Parks saw Owen on a bad day and tweeted about it. I tweeted back something about "what about his dominant last several games?" and he said "yeah, that's why you don't put too much weight on one time." But it's probably hard not to be influenced by what you yourself ses. And to turn that around - the time Parks saw Owens he wasn't impressed, but there still was enough there to include him in the Top 70. That's nothing to sneeze at.
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Post by jrffam05 on Jan 27, 2014 13:04:30 GMT -5
Just too low on Webster for him not to scratch top 101, in my opinion.
Bogaerts seems to be unanimous #2 huh.
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Post by raftsox on Jan 27, 2014 13:17:57 GMT -5
Something of interest that plays into my "rank by tiers, not numbers" theory is a probably unintentional trend that plays out in the top 20 or so prospects.
Looking at 1,2,3 is pretty cut and dry. But 4-7 is all short stops with arguments made either way to rank them in different order. The conversation probably lumped all of them together with the final decision disregarding their "true top 100" placing, but rather where they ranked in comparison with one-another. After that, regardless of where they rank compared in the grand scheme of baseball, they discussed the elite starting pitching prospects. 8-13 are all SPs (coincidentally, RHP), but the result shouldn't be seen as BP thinks Taijuan Walker is a worse prospect than Addison Russell, but rather that Walker is the best pitching prosect in baseball today with the others filling in behind him. The funny one to me looks like Miguel Sano; they probably discussed all the pitchers from 8-16 in order when someone noted that Sano is clearly a top 15 prospect. "OK, let's put him in at 14, ahead of Bundy who might not pitch much this year because aside from Giolito's huge upside the pitchers ahead of him will all pitch in MLB this year."
After the top 20 it gets a bit muddled in where you should rank prospects, but you still see some smaller debates: Bradley, Polanco and Almora for example. There are more further on: Cecchini and Franco, Cole and Stewart and Fried. Etc.
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Post by templeusox on Jan 27, 2014 13:52:04 GMT -5
Owens is too low. I'm fine with Webster not making the list, but they'll look bad not including Betts.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 27, 2014 14:13:56 GMT -5
I'm thinking that when BA and Sickels come out with their lists, BP will look even more inept.
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Post by moonstone2 on Jan 27, 2014 15:32:11 GMT -5
No love for Mookie, Webster, Vasquez or Ranaudo. The only one that surprised me a bit out of those are Betts since the others can be argued against in one way or another. I vote to make part of the groundrules to ban the phrase "no love" from the board forever.
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Post by moonstone2 on Jan 27, 2014 15:42:01 GMT -5
One thing I don´t understand. Webster was ahead of Swihart on the Red Sox top 10. How is he not on the top 101? Add: Also, I don't see how Mookie doesn't make this list, while comparable players like Alcantara, Rosario, Schoop and Flores did. Ergo they don't think he's a comparable to those players. I hate to see this again, but in general these are players that most of us haven't seen play a lot, and even if we did we don't have the training or experience to evaluate them properly. I think BP did a good job of explaining the range of scouting opinions on Betts. Though some think he's an impact player, some wonder if he has enough offense to be more than a good utility player in the majors.
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Post by jimoh on Jan 27, 2014 16:48:37 GMT -5
I see both Betts and Ranaudo as players who did very well in 2013 after being either just OK (Betts) or hurt and bad (Ranaudo) in 2012; both will shoot up in people's estimation if they can do again and at a higher level in 2014 what they did in 2013.
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Post by burythehammer on Jan 27, 2014 17:50:38 GMT -5
Half of their top 50 is pitchers. That's probably gonna look silly in retrospect.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 27, 2014 18:01:50 GMT -5
I would like to note that the only prospect the Yanks have on the list is Gary Sanchez who was ranked higher last year and dropped... this makes me feel good. 85. Gary Sanchez, C, New York Yankees Scouting Report (most recent): Link 2013 Ranking: 47 It's a feel good but it's the only place I've seen Swihart ranked higher than Sanchez including the thoughts expressed in our own Swihart/Vazquez thread. Also contrarian, they have Hedges at 18 and D'Amaud at 49.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 27, 2014 18:04:19 GMT -5
Half of their top 50 is pitchers. That's probably gonna look silly in retrospect. MLB had 48 pitchers in their Top 100. ADD: On the other hand there are 33 pitchers ranked higher than a pitcher they think is going to have a 15 year major league career.
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Post by bjb406 on Jan 27, 2014 18:18:25 GMT -5
one thing that's intersting, Swihart is ahead of ahead of Gary Sanchez. I remember the middle of last season getting scoffed at for suggesting they are comparable, seeing how they were playing at the same level at the same age with highly similar offensive production at the time.
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Post by rasimon on Jan 27, 2014 18:35:56 GMT -5
No love for Mookie, Webster, Vasquez or Ranaudo. The only one that surprised me a bit out of those are Betts since the others can be argued against in one way or another. I vote to make part of the groundrules to ban the phrase "no love" from the board forever. no love for that suggestion
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 27, 2014 18:57:49 GMT -5
I'm thinking that when BA and Sickels come out with their lists, BP will look even more inept. Disagree with this concept. Let's look back in 5 or more years. Not following the herd ? being inept, although you could certainly be inept by following the herd or by not doing so. I remember when Law was public enemy #1 here for being way down on Bowden, and look how that turned out.
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Post by patrmac04 on Jan 27, 2014 19:58:17 GMT -5
I would like to note that the only prospect the Yanks have on the list is Gary Sanchez who was ranked higher last year and dropped... this makes me feel good. 85. Gary Sanchez, C, New York Yankees Scouting Report (most recent): Link 2013 Ranking: 47 It's a feel good but it's the only place I've seen Swihart ranked higher than Sanchez including the thoughts expressed in our own Swihart/Vazquez thread. Also contrarian, they have Hedges at 18 and D'Amaud at 49. Saw a good video on this if you haven't seen it yet. I think Hedges is more like a Vasquez to me but has logged time in the majors. He has that sick release, but his bat is lagging behind his pop up times. I don't know enough about Hedges to speak intelligently, but his numbers look real solid. mlb.mlb.com/news/article/bos/mlbcoms-list-of-top-10-catching-prospects?ymd=20140116&content_id=66617222&vkey=news_mlbI have to admit, that this Yankee write up I found while googling around is pure bliss to my eyes for the time being. I know it won't be this way forever, so I will enjoy it while it is. www.pinstripealley.com/yankees-prospects-minor-leagues/2014/1/27/5350098/gary-sanchez-yankees-baseball-prospectus-top-101-prospectsJason Parks at Baseball Prospectus released the company's annual Top 101 Prospects list, and it was not a pretty showing for the New York Yankees. This result is not really surprising since in his review of the Yankees' top 10 prospects (subscription required), Parks remarked, "It's Gary Sanchez and a list of interchangeable prospects with reliever profiles or bench futures,"
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Post by chavopepe2 on Jan 27, 2014 20:13:45 GMT -5
Using the same methodology as in the mlb.com rankings thread:
Team Total Minnesota Twins 92.2 Chicago Cubs 84.1 Houston Astros 77.0 Boston Red Sox 70.0 Kansas City Royals 68.2 Pittsburgh Pirates 64.4 Baltimore Orioles 61.3 St. Louis 49.6 Texas Rangers 45.1 Arizona Diamondbacks 43.9 Colorado Rockies 41.1 Cleveland Indians 36.8 Seattle Mariners 36.4 New York Mets 36.4 San Diego Padres 34.2 Los Angeles Dodgers 33.5 Washington Nationals 33.3 Toronto Blue Jay 32.4 Cincinnati Reds 30.9 Oakland Athletic 24.9 Miami Marlins 18.6 Atlanta Brave 14.7 Philadelphia Phillies 11.7 Detroit Tigers 10.9 San Francisco Giants 10.6 Chicago White Sox 10.1 Tampa Bay Rays 8.5 New York Yankee 4.7
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Post by James Dunne on Jan 27, 2014 20:45:32 GMT -5
Nice, thank you. Angels and Brewers with nobody in the Top 100. Though, the Angels, unlike the Brewers, have a 22 year old who is the best player alive.
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