SoxProspects News
|
|
|
|
Legal
Forum Ground Rules
The views expressed by the members of this Forum do not necessarily reflect the views of SoxProspects, LLC.
© 2003-2024 SoxProspects, LLC
|
|
|
|
|
Forum Home | Search | My Profile | Messages | Members | Help |
Welcome Guest. Please Login or Register.
2014 MLB Post-Draft Discussion Thread
|
Post by mgoetze on Jul 21, 2014 10:29:45 GMT -5
Or do free agents stop negotiating after a verbal agreement and assume the teams are acting in good faith while they allow their market to slip away if they invent some BS during the physical? That's exactly what they do. See Saffold, Rodger.
|
|
|
Post by Gwell55 on Jul 21, 2014 10:35:53 GMT -5
Or do free agents stop negotiating after a verbal agreement and assume the teams are acting in good faith while they allow their market to slip away if they invent some BS during the physical? That's exactly what they do. See Saffold, Rodger. Gee, I was thinking you were going to say see Naps!
|
|
|
Post by jmei on Jul 21, 2014 11:56:38 GMT -5
Preface: I mostly agree, with the exception of the Statute of Frauds issue. But I'm playing devil's advocate here just to show that Nix might have a case and that it might still go to arbitration. The Astros do not have the ability to enter into a binding player contract that is not approved by the Commissioner's Office (subject to arbitration if the MLB Players Association does not agree). Negotiations between clubs and draftees are just negotiations until approved by the Commissioner. As an agent approved by MLB, Casey Close knows that there is no binding agreement unless the Commissioner approves of the contract. There was no signed agreement, and, of course, no approval by the Commissioner. Also, al of these player contracts are subject to a physical exam. Aiken had to know it and his "advisor" definitely knew it. This is not necessarily true. It could well be that verbal agreements like this one are fully binding but are conditional upon Commissioner's Office approval and a passed physical. Nix would then argue that the Astros breached by not submitting a contract to the Commisioner to approve, thus making it impossible to determine whether or not the condition would have otherwise been satisfied. This is a pretty standard theory of breach, and one that has at least a small chance of being successful. An adjudicator would look at some of the factors I mentioned above, and though the Astros would probably win on this issue, there's at least a small chance they might not. I disagree with the assertion that there was valid consideration given and accepted by both the Astros and Aiken. There are significant Statute of Frauds issues (which vary from state to state but generally provide that oral contracts that will be performed in less than a year may be oral but longer ones must be in a writing signed by the party against whom it is sought to be enforced) preventing an enforceable contract here, and there is almost always a dollar limitation. The amount tentatively agreed upon between Aiken and the Astros dramatically exceeds the typical $500 to $5,000 figure depending on the state. I discussed earlier why the one-year rule likely doesn't apply. The dollar limitation only applies to the sale of goods context under the UCC-- this is a services contract, to which there are no dollar limitations. I remain convinced that there is no Statute of Frauds issue here. There could also be an enforceable contract if there was a representation by the Astros that was detrimentally relied upon by Aiken. There was no detrimental reliance by Aiken. He did not lose the option of signing with another major league team nor did he give up the opportunity to pitch for a team outside of organized baseball based on the tentative agreement with the Astros regarding the bonus. You're right that Aiken must have actually detrimentally relied on the Astros' promise. But there is a chance that he did-- for instance, by formally hiring Close as his agent (and thus losing NCAA eligibility) or by missing registration deadlines/summer classes or by making some extravagant purchase. He might be able to recover reliance damages if anything like the above took place and a reasonable person would have relied on the Astros' promise. Again: not entirely likely, but well within the realm of possibility.
|
|
|
Post by joshv02 on Jul 21, 2014 12:29:02 GMT -5
Does anyone think that Aiken has an enforceable contract? I don't know what is going on here. Clearly, Aiken was told "we'll give you x if you pass your physical," then he didn't - at least in the team's estimation. After, he was given multiple offers, but he never accepted.
It is only Nix that is a real issue, right? He passed his exam, so far as I know.
We don't have any knowledge (yet) re mlb written approval (or better put: I'd just like the cite to the requirement, though it is likely an mlb rule), and I still don't understand the statute of frauds stuff - what do people think the term of his contract is? I'm pretty sure it is a single championship season, which is less than a year. Why would there be a SoF issue for that? (The team's multiple years of player control doesn't come from the signed contract, it is an agreement among the various teams to not poach employees.)
|
|
|
Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 21, 2014 13:02:39 GMT -5
Does anyone think that Aiken has an enforceable contract? I don't know what is going on here. Clearly, Aiken was told "we'll give you x if you pass your physical," then he didn't - at least in the team's estimation. After, he was given multiple offers, but he never accepted. It is only Nix that is a real issue, right? He passed his exam, so far as I know. We don't have any knowledge (yet) re mlb written approval (or better put: I'd just like the cite to the requirement, though it is likely an mlb rule), and I still don't understand the statute of frauds stuff - what do people think the term of his contract is? I'm pretty sure it is a single championship season, which is less than a year. Why would there be a SoF issue for that? (The team's multiple years of player control doesn't come from the signed contract, it is an agreement among the various teams to not poach employees.) I would say it is possible that Aiken could sue for damages under a quasi-contract theory, but almost certainly loses if he attempts to enforce specific performance or simply argue a contract was formed for remedy purposes. The more interesting situation is with Nix, because it is a much closer call as to whether a contract was formed. There just simply isn't enough facts to make a case either way at this point, but I think many of the posters above have described a few of the contract principles that are at issue: mutual assent, valid consideration, statute of frauds. As far as the statute of frauds, it seems there is some confusion as to whether the agreement the draftee signs is for less than one year of service or more. I really don't know enough about MILB contracts to make a judgment call here, but I was originally under the assumption that these were multiple-year contracts. Again, more facts would make this situation much clearer.
|
|
|
Post by jimed14 on Jul 21, 2014 13:14:02 GMT -5
I'm also interested in how long a draft pick has to play for before he can quit and not re-pay the bonus. I'm sure that doesn't come up much as any player thinking about retiring would probably be let go by the team anyway.
|
|
|
Post by joshv02 on Jul 21, 2014 13:32:24 GMT -5
As far as the statute of frauds, it seems there is some confusion as to whether the agreement the draftee signs is for less than one year of service or more. I really don't know enough about MILB contracts to make a judgment call here, but I was originally under the assumption that these were multiple-year contracts. Again, more facts would make this situation much clearer. Good point. I am assuming it is similar tot he Uniform MLB contract, which is appended to the back of the CBA. That covers a single season. The MLB cabal agreement not to sign players on various "lists" is what gives teams multiple years of player control, and limits their obligation to only pay a single season unless agreed to otherwise.
|
|
|
Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 22, 2014 0:27:59 GMT -5
MLB Pipeline ?@mlbpipeline 40m In the Pipeline: For the first time in at least 20 years, the redsox signed their first 21 picks from the @mlbdraft: atmlb.com/18acLiK
|
|
|
Post by bjb406 on Jul 22, 2014 3:38:54 GMT -5
I'm also interested in how long a draft pick has to play for before he can quit and not re-pay the bonus. I'm sure that doesn't come up much as any player thinking about retiring would probably be let go by the team anyway. Im fairly certain they don't have to play at all in order to keep the bonus, they just cant sign anywhere else. What they stand to lose by just not showing up is their minor league salary (which is minuscule) and whatever chance they had at a major league salary and/or contract in the future. The team could maybe sue if they could prove that he knowingly mislead them and had no intention of playing even before signing, but say he has some life altering event between signing and reporting that changes his entire outlook on life and he decides he never wants to play again, I'm pretty sure there is nothing the team can do.
|
|
|
Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 22, 2014 4:10:45 GMT -5
I'm also interested in how long a draft pick has to play for before he can quit and not re-pay the bonus. I'm sure that doesn't come up much as any player thinking about retiring would probably be let go by the team anyway. Im fairly certain they don't have to play at all in order to keep the bonus, they just cant sign anywhere else. What they stand to lose by just not showing up is their minor league salary (which is minuscule) and whatever chance they had at a major league salary and/or contract in the future. The team could maybe sue if they could prove that he knowingly mislead them and had no intention of playing even before signing, but say he has some life altering event between signing and reporting that changes his entire outlook on life and he decides he never wants to play again, I'm pretty sure there is nothing the team can do. I don't believe that is at all true, the players are signing a contract for their effort. If a life changing event happened, it would be the team's discretion to sue or not sue. I'm pretty sure the team PR would be a major consideration in those cases depending on the situation. They wouldn't sue, for example, if a player was diagnosed with a terminal illness but was still able to perform currently.
|
|
|