ericmvan
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Post by ericmvan on Jun 10, 2014 3:26:23 GMT -5
Why so many catchers??? Soxprospects.com said right before the draft that they were stacked in pitching and catching!!! I can understand drafting pitching...which is usually 50% of the draft every year...but 6 catchers...and only 1 is coming from HS!!! That means that 5 will end up bumping others...who? Brenly? (28), Escobar? (no offense), Spring? (30), Ross? next year (38)... These numbers are for how many players they drafted, not how many of those they signed. And yet it looks like 4 will definitely sign, and probably 5. Procyshen and McKeon are reportedly already on board. Moore, as a slot pick, is guaranteed. And Fisher is the highest-ranked potential over-slot guy that they have a clear shot at (Kendall seems impossible, and Peterson is 50-50) and is identifying himself on Twitter as a Sox draftee rather than a Virginia commit. Ian Rice is still identifying himself as a Houston commit, so (even though we'll have the money) he's not a sure thing. Winterburn, the 40 pick, seems superfluous, but maybe they actually want to add 5 catchers and he's a fallback if they don't land Rice. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 10, 2014 3:44:20 GMT -5
With the two guys at the top of the pecking order (Vazquez & Swihart), a decent emergency shuttle guy (Butler), a few at least interesting catching prospects in the system already, and a staff with at least 3 former major league catchers (Tek, Gedman & Epperson), maybe we'll become baseball's catcher training academy. Decent catching prospects are about as valuable a trade commodity as you can have.
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Post by grandsalami on Jun 10, 2014 14:13:25 GMT -5
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Post by amfox1 on Jun 10, 2014 14:28:35 GMT -5
Once the first wave of numbers come in, we will maintain a list. |
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alnipper
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Post by alnipper on Jun 10, 2014 14:39:27 GMT -5
The bonus was a "little under slot" for Kopech in Kopech words with Alex Speier
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Post by amfox1 on Jun 10, 2014 14:43:18 GMT -5
FYI, 23rd round pick Derek Miller is the son of Rangers executive vice president of enterprises Jay Miller.
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Post by jmei on Jun 10, 2014 16:25:25 GMT -5
Sean Reid-Foley signed for slot with the Blue Jays, which was a surprise. Unless there's something we don't know (injuries? makeup/personality issues?), I liked him more than Kopech and thought the reason he slipped was because of high bonus demands.
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Post by amfox1 on Jun 10, 2014 16:28:11 GMT -5
Sean Reid-Foley signed for slot with the Blue Jays, which was a surprise. Unless there's something we don't know (injuries? makeup/personality issues?), I liked him more than Kopech and thought the reason he slipped was because of high bonus demands. No, two reasons he likely dropped - (1) some scouts were putting a reliever profile on him and (2) once he fell past where he was thought to go (13-21), speculation was that the teams at the end of the first round didn't have scouting reports on him and therefore had to bypass him in favor of prospects who they had scouted more extensively. |
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Post by soxfanatic on Jun 10, 2014 16:44:07 GMT -5
One of the most intriguing prospects of our draft class is Trenton Kemp IMO. He caused a pretty big divide among prospect writers. He was ranked relatively low by BA (337) and PG (398). MLB.com (111) and Kiley McDaniel (129) ranked him much higher. Looking at a prospect video you can clearly see what there is to like: batspeed and athleticism. He'll likely need significant time in the Minors if he signs, but he oozes raw tools. |
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Post by chavopepe2 on Jun 10, 2014 17:13:19 GMT -5
Sean Reid-Foley signed for slot with the Blue Jays, which was a surprise. Unless there's something we don't know (injuries? makeup/personality issues?), I liked him more than Kopech and thought the reason he slipped was because of high bonus demands. No, two reasons he likely dropped - (1) some scouts were putting a reliever profile on him and (2) once he fell past where he was thought to go (13-21), speculation was that the teams at the end of the first round didn't have scouting reports on him and therefore had to bypass him in favor of prospects who they had scouted more extensively. I'm sure this is true, but it does seem crazy to me that teams drafting in the late 20s wouldn't have heavily scouted a guy expected to go 13-21. Drops like that happen every year. If a team really did pass on a falling player because they didn't do enough research thinking he would go 5-10 picks sooner, that is really bad. |
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Post by lennsakata on Jun 10, 2014 17:13:48 GMT -5
One of the most intriguing prospects of our draft class is Trenton Kemp IMO. He caused a pretty big divide among prospect writers. He was ranked relatively low by BA (337) and PG (398). MLB.com (111) and Kiley McDaniel (129) ranked him much higher. Looking at a prospect video you can clearly see what there is to like: batspeed and athleticism. He'll likely need significant time in the Minors if he signs, but he oozes raw tools. He was my draft binky...Mentioned in the day 3 thread that I wanted him a few rounds before they nabbed him. He runs a 6.4/60, kind of reminds me a bit of Grady Sizemore with the exception of the right handed bat. |
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 10, 2014 22:28:31 GMT -5
Short news clip about Josh Ockimey. Seems like a good kid.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 10, 2014 23:10:09 GMT -5
Josh Norris ?@jnorris427 8m
Clearwater Threshers are 14-50. I have had a pair of scouts tell me they're among the worst pro teams they've ever seen.
This goes a long way towards explaining the Phils draft strategy. This is their high A affiliate.
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Post by aboynamedkimandrew on Jun 10, 2014 23:14:53 GMT -5
No, two reasons he likely dropped - (1) some scouts were putting a reliever profile on him and (2) once he fell past where he was thought to go (13-21), speculation was that the teams at the end of the first round didn't have scouting reports on him and therefore had to bypass him in favor of prospects who they had scouted more extensively. I'm sure this is true, but it does seem crazy to me that teams drafting in the late 20s wouldn't have heavily scouted a guy expected to go 13-21. Drops like that happen every year. If a team really did pass on a falling player because they didn't do enough research thinking he would go 5-10 picks sooner, that is really bad. You are right. In fact, BA had him as their 19th ranked player and many mock drafts had him going in the low 20s. It's impossible to believe that teams investing millions of dollars in scouting didn't anticipate that he could fall a few slots. In addition, several of the teams in that supposed middle third of the round sweet spot that would have scouted him heavily had additional shots via compensation or competitive balance picks and still let him go well into the second round. I believe it had far more to do with changing perceptions of the kid than a lack of information. If the kid signed for slot then he probably was told the same. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 11, 2014 7:29:35 GMT -5
Danny Mars @dmars22
Boston traffic.. Woah
We're going to need to learn to hide that until after they sign.
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Post by soxfanatic on Jun 11, 2014 7:54:03 GMT -5
It just struck me we drafted Chandler (Shepherd), Ross (Puskarich) and Joey (Winterburn). I hope they can become Friends.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 11, 2014 8:26:27 GMT -5
It just struck me we drafted Chandler (Shepherd), Ross (Puskarich) and Joey (Winterburn). I hope they can become Friends. I nominate this for the epiphany of the year. |
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 11, 2014 8:35:05 GMT -5
I'm sure this is true, but it does seem crazy to me that teams drafting in the late 20s wouldn't have heavily scouted a guy expected to go 13-21. Drops like that happen every year. If a team really did pass on a falling player because they didn't do enough research thinking he would go 5-10 picks sooner, that is really bad. You are right. In fact, BA had him as their 19th ranked player and many mock drafts had him going in the low 20s. It's impossible to believe that teams investing millions of dollars in scouting didn't anticipate that he could fall a few slots. In addition, several of the teams in that supposed middle third of the round sweet spot that would have scouted him heavily had additional shots via compensation or competitive balance picks and still let him go well into the second round. I believe it had far more to do with changing perceptions of the kid than a lack of information. If the kid signed for slot then he probably was told the same. Not only that, but these kids move up and down so far throughout the process. You can't tell me he was never ranked in the late 20s throughout the last year? Or that all 30 teams didn't think it was possible because of how much everyone moves? This isn't just a single moment in time. |
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Post by jrffam05 on Jun 11, 2014 8:46:03 GMT -5
I'm wondering what the board members with more knowledge of the draft think about the picks after round 10 in regards to the signing strategy. It is obvious we can't sign all of them, and as we start giving out overslot bonuses our chance to sign others will diminish.
Personally for me I like the higher risk guys with these picks, and in general with these picks would rather have a high school guy instead of college. Unfortunately the are also the guys who require overslot bonuses.
I like Fischer's profile a lot, and at Mike's projection I think he could be the best value sign. Sounds similar to Vazquez, strong armed catcher who has some power. Kemp, Hill, and Peterson would be my next priorities. Matijevic fits my target profile also. I'm not sold on Beeks, but I think he would be a good sign as a reliever.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Jun 11, 2014 11:10:31 GMT -5
Peterson is probably my top post-10th round drafted players that I hope the Red Sox sign given his size, skills and projection. He obviously will be a tough sign given that he dropped so far in the draft due to an injury. He recently pitched in a playoff game and struck out 12 in 6 innings.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 11, 2014 11:30:16 GMT -5
MLB Pipeline ?@mlbpipeline 2m
Have confirmed @cubs & top @mlbdraft pick Kyle Schwarber have reached deal for $3.125 million - $1,496,200 under pick value. @iubaseballnews
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Post by GyIantosca on Jun 11, 2014 12:09:57 GMT -5
I am. Loving the strategy of picking Karsten Whitson. Amongst others. I feel a little Paul Pierce where Pierce was pissed getting drafted 10th and he used it for motivation and I hope this kid does the same could be a big time steal . I like the 2 1b it's funny one is at Indiana and the other is committed to Indiana.
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Post by jrffam05 on Jun 11, 2014 12:41:08 GMT -5
MLB Pipeline ?@mlbpipeline 2m Have confirmed @cubs & top @mlbdraft pick Kyle Schwarber have reached deal for $3.125 million - $1,496,200 under pick value. @iubaseballnews He must feel great about that.. He was ranked 17th I believe. Slot bonus for 10th pick is 2.970M. |
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Post by grodozer on Jun 11, 2014 15:56:15 GMT -5
I am. Loving the strategy of picking Karsten Whitson. Amongst others. I feel a little Paul Pierce where Pierce was pissed getting drafted 10th and he used it for motivation and I hope this kid does the same could be a big time steal . I like the 2 1b it's funny one is at Indiana and the other is committed to Indiana. I must have missed the part where Pierce dropped in the draft because he missed his entire sophomore year after knee surgery. I'm pulling for the kid, and I recognize motivation is seldom a rational thing, but the circumstances that led Pierce to drop in the draft are in no way, shape, or form comparable to the circumstances that led Whitson to drop. If the kid stays healthy, he'll have a chance. If his arm/shoulder just isn't up for the rigors of throwing a baseball overhand several thousand times in a season, then he'll wash out (like many others). I highly doubt his draft position is going to figure into the final outcome. |
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 11, 2014 16:14:11 GMT -5
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