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2014-15 offseason discussion
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 16, 2014 18:37:19 GMT -5
Nick Cafardo ?@nickcafardo 10m
Mike Napoli, Daniel Nava, Koji Uehara, Will Middlebrooks placed on revocable waivers by Red Sox.
A wild guess on my part, we're trying to get Nava through waivers to Kansas City with nobody blocking it (read Detroit).
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Post by GyIantosca on Aug 16, 2014 19:38:53 GMT -5
I take it Breslow cleared waivers? The Sox had two people on waivers and nothing was said. One was Breslow I think.
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Post by tonyj1973 on Aug 16, 2014 20:57:10 GMT -5
Would be very nice extend Cespedes and sign Rusney Castillo. Can figure out the versality sox will have? Is time to spend and they have to do it heavy. They need at least two aces to compete or win it all next year. They don´t much time to wait for developments like Will Middelbrooks or Bradley Jr even for Boegarts. They have enough talent for the rest of rotation.
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Post by larrycook on Aug 16, 2014 21:01:55 GMT -5
What is the status of the Cuban Thomas?
Is he still trying to get his visa sorted out in the Dominican?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 17, 2014 18:26:51 GMT -5
I'm not sure if Cafardo is making stuff up but,
Nick Cafardo ?@nickcafardo 14m Buchholz, Badenhop, Holt, Vazquez, Kelly and Bogaerts placed on revocable waivers on Sunday by Red Sox
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Post by widewordofsport on Aug 17, 2014 19:39:38 GMT -5
I'm sure they all were... everyone goes on waivers. I assume they wan't to deal Badenhop and maybe just use the others as distraction.
Consider this my weekly complaint that Nava is the best OF they have, and he's getting dealt (no one else has any value) this winter.
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Post by widewordofsport on Aug 17, 2014 19:41:26 GMT -5
He uses BJ Upton as a comp unironically... how fantastic. I'm just waaayyy down on Cespedes. He doesn't hit enough HRs to outweigh some of the bad for me. I certainly wouldn't give him a giant long term contract till he can consistently get an OBP above .300
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Post by ethanbein on Aug 17, 2014 20:05:27 GMT -5
If that's what it takes, there's no way the Sox are going to do that. I like Cespedes okay as a return for Lester, but he's not nearly as good as Hunter Pence. He has the kind of skillset that gets overpaid in free agency. It's still early, but I think the Sox let him walk after next year (if he isn't traded this offseason).
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Post by larrycook on Aug 17, 2014 21:55:04 GMT -5
He's won two games for us thus far.
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Post by mredsox89 on Aug 17, 2014 22:04:57 GMT -5
Cespedes is also 2 years younger than Pence, so $18/year on the back end for Cespedes could potentially be a lot better than the final two on a Pence deal.
If Cespedes signs with Boston for 5 and under $20 AAV, it's a solid deal given the lack of future money spent
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Post by bryce on Aug 18, 2014 10:04:49 GMT -5
I want to see both Jay Bruce and Jason Heyward are going to be in the Sox uniform next year? Is that really a fantasy? How can Ben make it come true this winter?
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Post by jrffam05 on Aug 18, 2014 10:30:11 GMT -5
I expect basically every Red Sox player will be placed on waivers, but I doubt we see any serious moves till the offseason. Kelly Johnson and Breslow might be traded or release for nothing. I don't buy that we are trying to trade Napoli, Uehara, or anyone else. Unless we can get an overpay back for Nava, which is unlikely.
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Post by bryce on Aug 18, 2014 11:14:49 GMT -5
I support the idea of Jay Bruce-Rusney Castillo-Jason Heyward!!!
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 18, 2014 11:52:46 GMT -5
I support the idea of Jay Bruce-Rusney Castillo-Jason Heyward!!! Welcome to the forum, but 4 posts are enough saying this. Something new please.
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Post by jrffam05 on Aug 18, 2014 12:07:43 GMT -5
Does Heyward really make sense for us next year? He is a similar player to Victorino, albeit a better one because of age, injury history, and batting. And he is only under contract for 1 more year. So at some point to keep Heyward we would have to commit a contract to him, which there is a good possibility we will have that opportunity next offseason. Seeing that we would have to both trade away players and resign him, with Victorino on the roster this doesn't make sense to me in 2015, at least with how the roster is at this moment. 2016 I'm completely on board, let's sign him.
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Post by juniorp90 on Aug 18, 2014 14:05:07 GMT -5
Do you think the Cubs would trade Rizzo if they get good stuff back? The Cubs need pitching, have many bats on his farm, perhaps a package that includes Owens, Ranaudo or Webster and/or Travis Shaw, Christian Vasquez would think Theo Epstein...
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Post by amfox1 on Aug 18, 2014 14:23:30 GMT -5
Do you think the Cubs would trade Rizzo if they get good stuff back? The Cubs need pitching, have many bats on his farm, perhaps a package that includes Owens, Ranaudo or Webster and/or Travis Shaw, Christian Vasquez would think Theo Epstein... Sure, they would. However, Rizzo is cost-controlled until 2021 (ages 25-31). The cost, if tradeable, is likely to be enormous and is likely to require lots of top-level pitching. It is much more likely that Theo will trade out of CHC's surplus of prospects than trade a cost-controlled cornerstone like Big Ant. Specific trade proposals belong in the trade proposal thread.
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Post by jrffam05 on Aug 18, 2014 14:54:18 GMT -5
Any GM would trade any player in a situation where it makes sense (Ruban Amaro JR excluded). The question you are asking is in what situation would it make sense to trade a 25 year old player under a cheap contract that lasts 6 more years and is hitting as well as Miguel Cabrera right now? There is a reason you don't see players like this traded very often, and it is because it would be very hard to match their value. It's like asking, "Hey, is your beach side Miami mansion for sale?"
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Post by juniorp90 on Aug 18, 2014 15:12:18 GMT -5
Baseball is a business, everything has its price, I think that phrase out very well in this game...
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Post by jrffam05 on Aug 18, 2014 15:26:25 GMT -5
Absolutely, but if we are talking about Rizzo, the price is extremely high, and probably hypothetical. I would think they would be looking for Jose Fernandez back if they were to trade him (If they were to trade Rizzo for pitching, they would essentially want the same type of player back, only one that stands on the mound instead of in the field) It's why the Mods want these discussions in the trade sub forums, because the amount of speculation is endless but the probability is very low.
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Post by bryce on Aug 18, 2014 20:59:35 GMT -5
I support the idea of Jay Bruce-Rusney Castillo-Jason Heyward!!! Jay Bruce is a struggling product of his home park. Fenway wouldn't be friendly to him at all with our spacious RF. Yankee stadium would be a good fit, but he would see a big drop in production here. So far,I have seen our outfield as still a bust next year. Just like what somebody said,our outfield will be consist of Allen Craig in LF,Mookie Betts in CF,and Yoenis Cespedes in RF next year. We also have Shane Victorino off the bench and Bryce Brentz,Alex Hassan waiting in Triple A. They are all right handed. With the news about we aggressively pursue right handed Cuban Outfielder/Infielder Rusney Castillo, our lineup next year will be too right handed. Jackie Bradley Jr. is struggling now and sent back to Triple A these days,his future in Boston seams not optimistic. We have lots of right handed power hitting batters which are 1B Mike Napoli,3B Will Middlebrooks,SS Xander Bogaerts,LF Yoenis Cespedes and RF Allen Craig,but in lefties,we just have DH David Ortiz. According to many stats,our Fenway Park is friendly to left handed batters,so how do we have so many right handed ones? It is ridiculous! You say Jay Bruce is not accustomed to the rightfield of Fenway because of its large space. I think that isn't a problem. We can put him in front of the Green Monster and also get defensive outfielder Jason Heyward to take over the spacious rightfield. In the same time,I also think the final role Allen Craig will get is not in outfield but in firstbase,so we can trade Yoenis Cespedes ,Shane Victorino and Mike Napoli about possible package to get Jay Bruce and Jason Heyward back. I think we can do these two blockbuster along with Mike Minor and Mat Latos so as to solve our pitching problem we face todays.
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Post by iakovos11 on Aug 18, 2014 21:11:50 GMT -5
Dude, why are you posting the exact same thing in 3-4 threads all the time? Especially these long rambling paragraphs that are painful to read.
You really need to check our the trade proposal subforum
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Post by redsox4242 on Aug 18, 2014 21:12:58 GMT -5
I think we will try and move Victorino, i don't see how he fits in our plans. Where would he play? Does Craig move to 1st base? No, because we have Napoli. So what happens with Craig? I LOVE Betts, I think we stick him in CF. Betts could eventually move into the leadoff spot because of his solid approach and good plate discipline. What happens at 3rd? I think their is NO CHANCE Middlebrooks is here next season, so we will be in the market for a 3rd baseman unless they feel Holt can hold down the position effectively. I think will make a run at Lester, but who knows what happens with that. I would like Miller back, but i doubt we will get in a bidding war over a lefty specialist. We have lots of questions to answer.
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Post by sibbysisti on Aug 18, 2014 21:18:49 GMT -5
Victorino, coming off back surgery, is not going to be in demand in the off season. Any interested bidders will wait to ST to see if he's 100%.
As for Craig, I can see him eventually replacing Napoli when Mike's contract is up after next season.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 18, 2014 21:21:44 GMT -5
I think we will try and move Victorino, i don't see how he fits in our plans. Where would he play? Does Craig move to 1st base? No, because we have Napoli. So what happens with Craig? I LOVE Betts, I think we stick him in CF. Betts could eventually move into the leadoff spot because of his solid approach and good plate discipline. What happens at 3rd? I think their is NO CHANCE Middlebrooks is here next season, so we will be in the market for a 3rd baseman unless they feel Holt can hold down the position effectively. I think will make a run at Lester, but who knows what happens with that. I would like Miller back, but i doubt we will get in a bidding war over a lefty specialist. We have lots of questions to answer. Don't think anybody is going to be very interested in Victorino who's making $13 million and hasn't been healthy much of 2014 unless the Sox heavily subsidize him. I think we'll see Victorino on the 2015 Red Sox or quite possibly still on the DL recovering. Craig will wind up in LF with Cespedes in RF and Betts will likely get first crack at CF over Bradley, and yes, I think Betts has a shot at being the leadoff hitter, but to start the season I expect Holt to be the leadoff guy and play 3b. I doubt Lester will be back. More likely he winds up in pinstripes or with Theo's Cubs. The Sox aren't going to give him the six years $150 million it will probably take to re-sign him. I think the Sox will deal for Cole Hamels, which would probably cost them Mookie Betts, along with Swihart and Brian Johnson, meaning the Sox would be in the market for a CF while hoping that Bradley figures out his problems with the bat. Andrew Miller isn't likely to be back, but he certainly at this point shouldn't be considered a lefty specialist. He has been getting righties out and I wouldn't call him a LOOGY. He'll probably get 3 years $20 million or something like that, and I doubt that will be from the Red Sox.
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