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2014-15 offseason discussion
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Post by GyIantosca on Aug 12, 2014 10:19:30 GMT -5
It's interesting that 3b is open next season and Cecchini is going thru a learning curve in AAA . He is displaying more power and I wonder if having this extra time and not being rushed will do good and this is what Jackie may of needed.
I read that Theo said a prospect should get 500 at bats at AAA. Jackie and Xander I think got about 300 maybe less.
I still think Xander will figure it out. I am guilty of wanting Jackie and Xander up here ASAP. We'll see what happens. Regarding the starting rotation I really just want a anchor. A top guy which is a lot to ask but if Ben doesn't get it please don't pick up a David Wells type or when we got Matt Clement when when plan A ,B didn't work. This will not work for an anchor.
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Post by larrycook on Aug 12, 2014 22:02:30 GMT -5
Regarding the starting rotation I really just want a anchor. A top guy which is a lot to ask but if Ben doesn't get it please don't pick up a David Wells type or when we got Matt Clement when when plan A ,B didn't work. This will not work for an anchor. Sox have all the pieces to get darvich in the offseason.
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Post by grandsalami on Aug 12, 2014 22:16:10 GMT -5
Regarding the starting rotation I really just want a anchor. A top guy which is a lot to ask but if Ben doesn't get it please don't pick up a David Wells type or when we got Matt Clement when when plan A ,B didn't work. This will not work for an anchor. Sox have all the pieces to get darvich in the offseason. Why the hell would Tex move him unless they get the Moon plus more
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Post by joshv02 on Aug 12, 2014 22:17:05 GMT -5
Petroia for Darvich. Git r done.
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Post by moonstone2 on Aug 12, 2014 22:46:08 GMT -5
Asking for the moon as an opening offer is an obnoxious negotiating tactic, but it does not mean that the asking price will remain that high. Amaro has traded high-end players for reasonable packages before (see his trades of Pence and Lee). e Yeah but those were forced trades though. He traded Lee so he could have Halliday in the budget. Pence was a pending free agent.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 13, 2014 1:47:05 GMT -5
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Post by jdb on Aug 13, 2014 8:55:09 GMT -5
Is Sandaval a good defensive 3B now? He really seems to be the only obvious guy to upgrade that position that hits RHP pretty good. Would anyone be okay going into 2015 with a WMBs/Holt platoon at 3B and Mookie/JBJ/Vic in CF and see who earns the starting job?
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Post by jmei on Aug 13, 2014 9:08:48 GMT -5
Asking for the moon as an opening offer is an obnoxious negotiating tactic, but it does not mean that the asking price will remain that high. Amaro has traded high-end players for reasonable packages before (see his trades of Pence and Lee). e Yeah but those were forced trades though. He traded Lee so he could have Halliday in the budget. Pence was a pending free agent. The swapping Lee for Halladay is absolutely true (something I forgot), but Amaro traded Pence with 1.5 years of team control left. The prospect asking price will still be pretty high for Hamels (high enough that I probably would prefer just to sign a comparable guy in free agency), but I still don't think only looking at the initial asking price is a good gauge of what the eventual asking price might be.
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Post by jmei on Aug 13, 2014 9:24:27 GMT -5
Is Sandaval a good defensive 3B now? He really seems to be the only obvious guy to upgrade that position that hits RHP pretty good. Would anyone be okay going into 2015 with a WMBs/Holt platoon at 3B and Mookie/JBJ/Vic in CF and see who earns the starting job? Tentatively speaking, considering how bad Middlebrooks has been since his return (4 for 30 with a 3.3% BB and 30% K) and how much Holt has regressed, I think they'll be looking to add a third baseman this offseason. Sandoval is a prime target-- his performance (both offensive and defensive) seems to bounce around quite a bit, but on the whole, he's been above-average on both fronts of late. His raw triple-slashes are kind of meh, but he plays in a park that severely suppresses offense and power, and like Cespedes, his park-adjusted numbers are pretty good (career 123 wRC+). He switch-hits and hits slightly better versus righties, which fits Boston's projected roster well. He's also relatively young (just turned 28), though that is at least partially offset by his yearly weight issues. On the other hand, he'll likely come with the QO penalty and was reportedly asking for $100m+ (though so was Ervin Santana, so that might not mean much). If his price comes down to, say, 5/$80m, I'd be all over it. Headley might be a nice fit as well, and they could always sign a SS and move Xander to 3B. But that does look like a spot to upgrade.
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Post by danr on Aug 13, 2014 10:43:11 GMT -5
I saw Sandoval on Baseball Tonight last night and he is a mountain. He has the kind of build that does not age well. But he sure can pound the ball. He and Ortiz could be bookends, and probably not bad hitting back to back - but not a real long term deal.
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Post by suttree on Aug 13, 2014 10:58:37 GMT -5
Is Sandaval a good defensive 3B now? He really seems to be the only obvious guy to upgrade that position that hits RHP pretty good. Would anyone be okay going into 2015 with a WMBs/Holt platoon at 3B and Mookie/JBJ/Vic in CF and see who earns the starting job? Tentatively speaking, considering how bad Middlebrooks has been since his return (4 for 30 with a 3.3% BB and 30% K) and how much Holt has regressed, I think they'll be looking to add a third baseman this offseason. Sandoval is a prime target-- his performance (both offensive and defensive) seems to bounce around quite a bit, but on the whole, he's been above-average on both fronts of late. His raw triple-slashes are kind of meh, but he plays in a park that severely suppresses offense and power, and like Cespedes, his park-adjusted numbers are pretty good (career 123 wRC+). He switch-hits and hits slightly better versus righties, which fits Boston's projected roster well. He's also relatively young (just turned 28), though that is at least partially offset by his yearly weight issues. On the other hand, he'll likely come with the QO penalty and was reportedly asking for $100m+ (though so was Ervin Santana, so that might not mean much). If his price comes down to, say, 5/$80m, I'd be all over it. Headley might be a nice fit as well, and they could always sign a SS and move Xander to 3B. But that does look like a spot to upgrade. Sandoval is probably the safest upgrade. If it were possible I would try to pry loose Tulo. Sure it takes a king's ransom, but it would really change the complexion of this team. Then you wait to sign Heyward and that lineup looks pretty dangerous for the next 5 years. It just seems like any incremental improvement will not cut it for next year.
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Post by xanderbogaerts2 on Aug 13, 2014 11:36:55 GMT -5
I have been waiting for someone to bring this up. He said, the Red Sox said, would go after him.
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Post by elguapo on Aug 13, 2014 11:56:05 GMT -5
Gotta love Pablo Sandoval. I don't know that it would be the wisest move on a long contract, but how awesome from a fan perspective!
One of things I like about the Vazquez Era is that it's now enjoyable watching us pitch, successfully or no.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 13, 2014 12:01:11 GMT -5
If it comes down to draft pick or not, I'd go with Headley if the Yankees let him go. He's pretty damn incredible at 3rd anyway.
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Post by joshv02 on Aug 13, 2014 12:02:54 GMT -5
Gotta love Pablo Sandoval. I don't know that it would be the wisest move on a long contract, but how awesome from a fan perspective! I feel like elguapo should say that.
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 13, 2014 12:04:57 GMT -5
If it comes down to draft pick or not, I'd go with Headley if the Yankees let him go. He's pretty damn incredible at 3rd anyway. Headley was traded in-season so he won't be eligible for a qualifying offer.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 13, 2014 12:08:56 GMT -5
If it comes down to draft pick or not, I'd go with Headley if the Yankees let him go. He's pretty damn incredible at 3rd anyway. Headley was traded in-season so he won't be eligible for a qualifying offer. I didn't explain myself well. I'd go with Headley with no pick over Sandoval with pick. Unless it's a 2nd rounder.
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 13, 2014 12:31:52 GMT -5
Ah, that makes sense then. I suppose I agree.
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Post by juniorp90 on Aug 13, 2014 13:10:40 GMT -5
Is Sandaval a good defensive 3B now? He really seems to be the only obvious guy to upgrade that position that hits RHP pretty good. Would anyone be okay going into 2015 with a WMBs/Holt platoon at 3B and Mookie/JBJ/Vic in CF and see who earns the starting job? Tentatively speaking, considering how bad Middlebrooks has been since his return (4 for 30 with a 3.3% BB and 30% K) and how much Holt has regressed, I think they'll be looking to add a third baseman this offseason. Sandoval is a prime target-- his performance (both offensive and defensive) seems to bounce around quite a bit, but on the whole, he's been above-average on both fronts of late. His raw triple-slashes are kind of meh, but he plays in a park that severely suppresses offense and power, and like Cespedes, his park-adjusted numbers are pretty good (career 123 wRC+). He switch-hits and hits slightly better versus righties, which fits Boston's projected roster well. He's also relatively young (just turned 28), though that is at least partially offset by his yearly weight issues. On the other hand, he'll likely come with the QO penalty and was reportedly asking for $100m+ (though so was Ervin Santana, so that might not mean much). If his price comes down to, say, 5/$80m, I'd be all over it. Headley might be a nice fit as well, and they could always sign a SS and move Xander to 3B. But that does look like a spot to upgrade. I do not like the idea ... Why sign a man who asked a lot of money in the team having players like WMD, Bogaerts, Marrero (SS, Bogaerts 3B), Cecchini, etc? ... And even more with money to spend on a elite pitcher. Prefer a change where it involves Tulowitzki and move to 3B Bogaerts.
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Post by GyIantosca on Aug 13, 2014 13:26:20 GMT -5
I am done with WMB. If he figures it out it will be at the next stop. He just won't do it here. JBJ has to go back to AAA. I hate to say it but the Sox will have a new hitting coach. Whether it's his fault or not that's what happens.
I hope Betts is ready next year or early part of next season. Holt has a spot on the bench. Very useful asset on bench. Betts is the long term answer at lead off I hope.
I pray Petey gets it back next season because it will be a long year if not. I hope he is honest about his wrist .
I thought Alex Speier said that Xander when he swings his top hand he is having trouble extending it and therefore not having the typical extension on the swing. I have to listen to podcast again. The one with Callis on baseball tonight. If someone heard it and can share that piece. It's very important. But Xander said he isn't hurt. So it tends to be confusing. Maybe someone can help me on that one.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 13, 2014 13:34:59 GMT -5
Remember when Xander got nailed with a fastball on his hand or wrist?
I'm going to guess there's been something there all year.
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Post by orcoaster on Aug 13, 2014 17:16:44 GMT -5
I can't remember a year where there was so much legitimate uncertainty about next year's roster at this point in the season. ... So, some key performances to track, in rough order of impact: Bradley (determines CF and impacts 3B), Victorino, Buchholz and De La Rosa, Middlebrooks, the top 3 PawSox starters; (second tier) Vazquez, Cecchini. That was June 21, and it's remarkable how much has settled (at least in my mind) in just 18 days. First, JBJ is your CF next year. Anyone who has him on the bench hasn't been paying attention. His defense is so good that he can be a good notch below average at the plate and still be a first-division regular, and he shows every sign, since he reverted to his old stance, of being at least an average hitter for a CF. That's the really good player we thought we had all along. Second, Mookie Betts demonstrated that he has the arm strength to play on the left side of the infield, where he will have much more value than in an OF corner. I don't think it's conceivable that WMB will be so good after his rehab that it would make more sense to keep him and play Mookie in RF, versus trading him and having Mookie at 3B. (I think Mookie's explosive first step and superior hand-eye coordination make him better suited to the reaction-heavy play at 3B, while Xander's chief infield asset is actually his size, where his long stride gives him surprising lateral range for a guy with his speed.) Mookie should be a defensive upgrade at 3B, and finding a corner OF who can hit better than WMB and field the position better than the inexperienced Betts should be very doable. Finally, Victorino has had one setback after another, and it's clear that he should be counted on for no more than the Gomes platoon role, with the added bonus of being able to back up CF as well. Holt's going to be a guy who can fill in anywhere and give you solid play, and should be much more valuable in that role than as a regular, since even at 3B he projects to be just average. So, they need at least one and preferably two corner OFers, since ideally you have Nava as a backup rather than a regular. It would be great to pick up a kid in the fire sale. I think that Brandon Moss will be available, and then there's that Marlins guy to dream on. They ought to have Marrero, Coyle, Margot, and Middlebrooks, plus some pitching to deal, plus much of what they pick up in the fire sale. How good a catcher they need to complement Vazquez remains to be seen. The pitching hasn't settled nearly as much, but there's a lot of time left. Time has proved this post to be prescient. The Craig and Cespedes acquisitions are your corner outfielders. Holt continues to produce as an effective supersub. The recuperating Victorino can be counted on to be no more than the 2015 4th outfielder. And despite JBJ's obvious offensive shortcomings, it's incumbent upon the RS to stick with him as next year's CF. He promises to be a much better stick than he's shown this year, and if he is he's an incredibly valuable player. The intriguing part to me is about Mookie playing third. As much as he's blocked at second and in center, he has free reign at third. If he can play it. Can he? I think Eric is correct about Mookie's quickness and reaction times. Those make him well suited to third base. The question in my mind is his arm. It's obviously plenty strong enough, but is it accurate enough for third? I'd like to think so, but I don't know. I do wish he'd get some PT in Pawtucket at 3b instead of CF. If he can play there it sure solves a lot of roster problems and needs.
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Post by jmei on Aug 13, 2014 20:50:32 GMT -5
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Post by jdb on Aug 13, 2014 21:48:59 GMT -5
I'd start at Grandersons extension but thats if I thought he could play RF. Lots of corner OF bats in that FA class and I wouldn't mind making a run at Heyward. I'd have Cespedes behind him and Upton also.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 14, 2014 9:15:57 GMT -5
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