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Post by Guidas on Oct 9, 2014 20:52:26 GMT -5
I think a few have speculated that the knee issue Masterson reportedly had could've affected his mechanics. The Sox will have to make that determination. Also remember lefties tend to get on base at about a .340 clip vs. Masterson, even when he's been at his best.
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Post by Guidas on Oct 10, 2014 8:50:28 GMT -5
btw, saw this earlier this a.m. - if true, and if they can get him, GET HIM!!!
@georgeofman Are the Dodgers shopping Puig? You bet and the Cubs are one of several teams interested.
They'd want Sir Mookie of Betts, of course - but would Ben offer Bogaerts instead and see what percolates? Intriguing, although there's no way Sox can outbid the Cubs' talent if they are all in for Puig.
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Post by grandsalami on Oct 10, 2014 9:02:57 GMT -5
btw, saw this earlier this a.m. - if true, and if they can get him, GET HIM!!! @georgeofman Are the Dodgers shopping Puig? You bet and the Cubs are one of several teams interested. They'd want Sir Mookie of Betts, of course - but would Ben offer Bogaerts instead and see what percolates? Intriguing, although there's no way Sox can outbid the Cubs' talent if they are all in for Puig. Who the hello is that? No one else is reporting that.
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Post by grandsalami on Oct 10, 2014 9:03:17 GMT -5
KC Star: "Boston has emerged as the early favorite for [James Shields'] services".. "Rival execs expect 5yr $80-$110" t.co/dnQ8KwKiOt
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Oct 10, 2014 9:16:09 GMT -5
KC Star: "Boston has emerged as the early favorite for [James Shields'] services".. "Rival execs expect 5yr $80-$110" t.co/dnQ8KwKiOtIf they gave Shields 22 million for 5, I will be a lot angrier about them not even trying to get something done with Lester last offseason
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Post by Guidas on Oct 10, 2014 9:26:27 GMT -5
btw, saw this earlier this a.m. - if true, and if they can get him, GET HIM!!! @georgeofman Are the Dodgers shopping Puig? You bet and the Cubs are one of several teams interested. They'd want Sir Mookie of Betts, of course - but would Ben offer Bogaerts instead and see what percolates? Intriguing, although there's no way Sox can outbid the Cubs' talent if they are all in for Puig. Who the hello is that? No one else is reporting that. Chicago reporter. I don't know him personally and don't follow him but a reporter I do know is following the same lead trying to see if it's real. Said if it is he thinks Dodgers doing due diligence, seeing if anyone would knock their socks off.
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Post by jdb on Oct 10, 2014 9:32:26 GMT -5
Even if true I don't think we'd outbid others. The Marlins would probably be all over him and work something around Stanton.
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Post by Guidas on Oct 10, 2014 9:44:33 GMT -5
Yeah, Marls could do that straight up and it prob works for both parties. Cubs could blow any team out of the water if they are looking for prospects.
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Post by jmei on Oct 10, 2014 9:48:39 GMT -5
It's way too early in the offseason for teams to be doing due diligence, especially for a team that got eliminated from the playoffs three days ago. Trades can't be made for close to another month. This rumor just doesn't really pass the smell test.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Oct 10, 2014 10:07:23 GMT -5
btw, saw this earlier this a.m. - if true, and if they can get him, GET HIM!!! @georgeofman Are the Dodgers shopping Puig? You bet and the Cubs are one of several teams interested. They'd want Sir Mookie of Betts, of course - but would Ben offer Bogaerts instead and see what percolates? Intriguing, although there's no way Sox can outbid the Cubs' talent if they are all in for Puig. I'd pass on him even if they were. he costs them as much as he helps them. Lackadaisical effort at the bat and in the field, then sometimes acts like it's someone else's fault when his idiocy costs the team runs? I could understand why Colleti would be quietly shopping him, only negative is a huge one.. The seat filler crowd at LA who think he's the best think since warm milk and would be up in arms. You know everyone in LA (Dodger fans that is) probably think he's as good as Trout, but raw talent takes you only as far as what is contained between one's ears and what Puig has isn't much.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 10, 2014 12:45:11 GMT -5
KC Star: "Boston has emerged as the early favorite for [James Shields'] services".. "Rival execs expect 5yr $80-$110" t.co/dnQ8KwKiOtWhat has Boston done to "emerge" as the favorite for Shields' services? They're not allowed to put in an offer until after the season. I get what their meaning is, and it is highly likely the Sox will be big players for him, but the word "emerge" is strange as it indicates the Sox have actually done something, which they haven't. I do believe the Sox will wind up choosing between signing Shields or dealing for Hamels. And I do believe Shields will require 5 years. I'd rather the Sox keep the draft pick, keep the top notch prospects, and give Lester, the better pitcher than Shields, six $150 million with some sort of reasonable innings pitched vesting option for a 7th year.
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Post by Guidas on Oct 10, 2014 13:01:45 GMT -5
It's way too early in the offseason for teams to be doing due diligence, especially for a team that got eliminated from the playoffs three days ago. Trades can't be made for close to another month. This rumor just doesn't really pass the smell test. FWIW from Bradford's chat: Comment From Phyllis When does the hot stove really heat up-the winter meetings in December? Rob Bradford: Now Also this: Comment From Doug Regarding the question frpm Phyllis, it seems like FA signings and trades don't usually heat up until December. Do you see the process starting earlier this year, given the Sox needs, and excess outfielders/pitching prospects? Rob Bradford: Nothing can happen formally until after the World Series, but it's fun to talk about it. In fact, we already had the first shoe to drop when Hardy signed his deal, most likely putting a crimp in the Yankees master plan. The GM meetings are in the second week of Nov. and the Winter Meetings a month later. But the "first calls" to free agents are always interesting. Remember the first calls of the '13 offseason for the Red Sox: David Ross and Hiroki Kuroda Over the years I've gotten the sense that GMs and Asst GMs talk to each other quite a bit on an ongoing basis. Also remember that in L.A things are…a little testy right now, so that can add a bit of urgency. Either way I wouldn't throw "smell test" out there. These guys are talking all year and they could just be preparing some battle space for Nov/early Dec.
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Post by danr on Oct 10, 2014 13:08:44 GMT -5
I agree. I think many of the GMs talk all the time and have very good ideas of who is going to be on the market and what the cost is going to be. But needs change as deals are done. The GMs who are the quickest to see opportunities - like Beane - are the ones who will make some of the best deals - or sometimes, some of the worst.
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Post by jmei on Oct 10, 2014 16:46:44 GMT -5
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Post by theburn on Oct 10, 2014 17:16:17 GMT -5
Any potential Jordan Zimmerman becomes available this offseason? The Nats have a bunch of young controllable arms aside from him and will surely be looking for offense this offseason.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 10, 2014 22:31:08 GMT -5
He's an admissions director for Milton Academy now? That's hilarious to me for some reason.
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Post by p23w on Oct 10, 2014 22:39:27 GMT -5
Any potential Jordan Zimmerman becomes available this offseason? The Nats have a bunch of young controllable arms aside from him and will surely be looking for offense this offseason. Never happen. Nats looking for a healthy Zimmerman (the other one) next year. Gio Gonzalez OTOH could be available, but the RS have a plethora of LHP, so I doubt the match up would work. I'd be more interested in the other Zimmerman for 3B, then move over to be a RH DH.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Oct 10, 2014 23:07:59 GMT -5
Considering all our Left handed hitting issues, I'd rather have Peterson as a trade target. I like adding to a young core and getting more left handed. The Dodgers actually have 5 starting level mlb outfielders and most of them are left handed. We would then trade other outfielders, like Cespedes or others, but Peterson would be a solid addition to a future core of great young players. We certainly have enough minor league pitching talent to land a Peterson if we really want him.
All the Shields talk just tells me the rest of baseball doesn't think Ben is willing to spend top dollars on anyone. He didn't seem to make a sincere effort to retain Lester before. Given that data, they don't think he will again. Which makes Shields a logical next step down.
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 11, 2014 0:04:57 GMT -5
I'd be more interested in the other Zimmerman for 3B, then move over to be a RH DH. Yes please, all day everyday. If Souza breaks out like he could break out, there's not a scenario where Zimmerman doesn't become available.
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Post by larrycook on Oct 11, 2014 0:37:59 GMT -5
Considering all our Left handed hitting issues, I'd rather have Peterson as a trade target. I like adding to a young core and getting more left handed. The Dodgers actually have 5 starting level mlb outfielders and most of them are left handed. We would then trade other outfielders, like Cespedes or others, but Peterson would be a solid addition to a future core of great young players. We certainly have enough minor league pitching talent to land a Peterson if we really want him. . I think the dodgers would be more than ecstatic to trade us either. They have Peterson pegged as a puig replacement. Puig is a melon head and makes manny seem normal.
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Post by Guidas on Oct 11, 2014 10:11:44 GMT -5
I'll take a melon head with that kind of talent and passion 7 days a week and double headers in August.
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Post by ehaz on Oct 11, 2014 13:15:36 GMT -5
Considering all our Left handed hitting issues, I'd rather have Peterson as a trade target. I like adding to a young core and getting more left handed. The Dodgers actually have 5 starting level mlb outfielders and most of them are left handed. We would then trade other outfielders, like Cespedes or others, but Peterson would be a solid addition to a future core of great young players. We certainly have enough minor league pitching talent to land a Peterson if we really want him. . I think the dodgers would be more than ecstatic to trade us either. They have Peterson pegged as a puig replacement. Puig is a melon head and makes manny seem normal. Do you realize who Puig is? Pedersons BESTCASE SCENARIO is Yasiel Puig lite. You seem like the idiots that MLBN and Harold Reynolds pander to with all that "playing the right way" BS. Are you saying you wouldn't take Manny and the two titles we would have never touched without him? I doubt Puig is actually available, because if he was, everyone and their mother would be offering the farm and then some. We're talking about an under 24 year old with a career 150 OPS+
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Oct 11, 2014 19:01:05 GMT -5
I think the Dodgers have a surplus of outfielders and they probably can't move Crawford or Ethier and their best hitter in the 2nd half was Kemp. They need a true CF and Puig probably isn't optimal as a CF. Puig is a huge value but the Dodgers have issues with him off the field as in even organized crime guys out to knock him off potentially if I reading correctly due to issues with getting him out of Cuba.
He'd be a great fit but what is really the situation with him interpersonally and in terms of crime risk to the team.
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Post by larrycook on Oct 11, 2014 22:00:58 GMT -5
If the dodgers were willing to move puig, would he really be a good fit for us?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 11, 2014 22:22:00 GMT -5
If the dodgers were willing to move puig, would he really be a good fit for us? I'm sure the Sox could find some room for Puig, given that he's a young under contract all-star calibler player. So could 29 other teams. Not going to happen. Dodgers aren't making a deal like that. Wouldn't even give it a second of thought.
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