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Post by grandsalami on Nov 26, 2014 14:14:51 GMT -5
“@joejacquezaz: Mets have interest in #RedSox SS Xander Bogarts per @danmartin_Post”
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Nov 26, 2014 14:16:43 GMT -5
Peter Gammons ?@pgammo 3h3 hours ago Pads problems trading P:Cashner's never made 27 starts, Ross threw 41.2% sliders and had 4.91 Sept ERA, Kennedy FA after '15 Cueto, Samardzija or bust... I really doubt we pry Samardzija away for Cespedes and looking at how the A's valued him (Russell) there's no way I deal for him. Cueto would be nice but extending him would be expensive to the point where I'm not sure it's possible if Lester signs here. Both Cueto and Samardzija are one year rentals which would be perfect if we sign Lester. Because of that, neither will cost what a Hamels will cost in terms of players. That gives us a year to develop Owens/Rodriguez/Johnson et al and we'd end up with a draft pick. Besides Cespedes, Holt, Nava, Craig, WMB, Ceccini, Bradley and Coyle are now redundant. Although Oakland is unlikely to swap The Shark for Cespedes, they might be interested in swapping for what we get from another team plus someone like Holt who'd be a starter on most teams.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 26, 2014 14:25:28 GMT -5
“@joejacquezaz: Mets have interest in #RedSox SS Xander Bogarts per @danmartin_Post” Jerry Crasnick @jcrasnick · 22h 22 hours ago Heard this today from a baseball source: "The #phillies 'love' Mookie Betts." Just sayin.' #redsox Tough Such a non statement. Could have been: Heard this today from a baseball source: "The #insert-team-here 'love' Mookie Betts." Just sayin.' #redsox You apparently forgot to add #insert-young-stud-here as well.
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 26, 2014 14:29:14 GMT -5
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Post by Guidas on Nov 26, 2014 14:32:06 GMT -5
“@joejacquezaz: Mets have interest in #RedSox SS Xander Bogarts per @danmartin_Post” I love these types of tweets. No doubt the Red Sox have interest in Mike Trout, Bryce Harper, Corey Kluber, and Christian Yelich. Meaningless secondhand twaddle originated by a lazy reporter who really has nothing but needs to look busy for his readers/followers/boss.
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Post by nomar on Nov 26, 2014 14:33:49 GMT -5
"4-5 prospects" means less than **** if you don't have any clue who they are. I feel like this is just classic Gammons speculation.
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 26, 2014 14:38:23 GMT -5
I wonder if Liriano could get the Santana treatment last season and if we could get him at a bargain contract since we'd only be giving up a 3rd round pick as opposed to other teams likely not willing to give up a 1st. Because with his injury history, giving him a multi year deal probably would scare a lot of teams off. He's not high on my list, but I'd take him for 1/15 after we sign Lester.
I also realize he owes a lot of success to Russel Martin, but I think we could offer similar pitch framing with Vazquez.
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Post by dcsoxfan on Nov 26, 2014 14:44:01 GMT -5
Jerry Crasnick @jcrasnick · 22h 22 hours ago Heard this today from a baseball source: "The #phillies 'love' Mookie Betts." Just sayin.' #redsox Tough This stuff worries me nonetheless. Sophisticated baseball fans understand why you absolutely cannot trade Betts for Hamels, but the people who buy the luxury boxes or pay for advertising aren't sophisticated fans. When the media says that Betts and prospects is a reasonable price for Hamels, they believe it and they can apply pressure. I know some posters think certain members of the FO worry too much about revenue, but my take is that revenues largely go back into the team. The Red Sox need to be financially savvy to maintain a top two or three payroll; the New England market really isn't as large as people think. I'm beginning to have a very bad feeling about this off-season.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Nov 26, 2014 14:45:34 GMT -5
It's not out of the realm of possibilities that if the Tigers re-sign Scherzer, Porcello or Price might be obtainable.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Nov 26, 2014 14:47:14 GMT -5
“@joejacquezaz: Mets have interest in #RedSox SS Xander Bogarts per @danmartin_Post” I love these types of tweets. No doubt the Red Sox have interest in Mike Trout, Bryce Harper, Corey Kluber, and Christian Yelich. Meaningless secondhand twaddle originated by a lazy reporter who really has nothing but needs to look busy for his readers/followers/boss. I think that's a spin off from this article: nypost.com/2014/11/26/mets-eyeing-lefty-reliever-who-stunk-it-up-in-boston-last-season/
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Post by nomar on Nov 26, 2014 14:48:56 GMT -5
I wonder if Liriano could get the Santana treatment last season and if we could get him at a bargain contract since we'd only be giving up a 3rd round pick as opposed to other teams likely not willing to give up a 1st. Because with his injury history, giving him a multi year deal probably would scare a lot of teams off. He's not high on my list, but I'd take him for 1/15 after we sign Lester. I also realize he owes a lot of success to Russel Martin, but I think we could offer similar pitch framing with Vazquez. Hard to envision him getting less than 2/32 personally even though he's only given 160 IP per year over the last couple of years. I doubt we'll have much interest
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Post by xanderbogaerts2 on Nov 26, 2014 15:07:01 GMT -5
I would only like this if we got Lester as well if thats not the plan already.(no lee) If not I would rather get Lester and trade cepedes for Iwakuma/Walker/Ross/Cashner/Cueto/Zimmermann etc then trade for Hamels and sign a second tier.
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Post by Guidas on Nov 26, 2014 15:19:08 GMT -5
Gammo must be reading Sox prospects again. A few folks here floated that same guess days ago.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Nov 26, 2014 16:16:35 GMT -5
Jerry Crasnick @jcrasnick · 22h 22 hours ago Heard this today from a baseball source: "The #phillies 'love' Mookie Betts." Just sayin.' #redsox Tough I hear they're pretty high on Mike Trout, too. #breakingnews
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Post by soxfan06 on Nov 26, 2014 16:37:53 GMT -5
Wait, you are telling me teams would love to get their hands on the former #2 prospect in MLB and a former top 15 prospect who in a half season in the majors showed why so many loved him?
Who could have seen that coming? Ben C better not be dumb enough to trade these two because anyone they should fetch in a deal aren't actually available.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Nov 26, 2014 16:56:42 GMT -5
Its almost getting satirical at this point with RAJ. Just wait for him to get fired before dealing with Philly.
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Post by iakovos11 on Nov 26, 2014 16:57:35 GMT -5
I love Kate Upton Just putting that out there In case the Phillies want to know
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Nov 26, 2014 19:12:25 GMT -5
Sox have upped Lester offer to 6 - 145 per Jake Wesley.
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Post by rsnationiowa on Nov 26, 2014 19:31:47 GMT -5
If that is the case, then I believe the Sox are truly the leaders for Lester. I believe if the money/years is in the same ballpark, then Lester chooses Boston. I can't see teams doing a whole lot better than 6/$145.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Nov 26, 2014 19:42:15 GMT -5
If Lester really wants to come back to Boston, he might be taking a risk by continuing to get them to increase their offer (assuming that the reports we're reading are accurate). At a point,the RS might just walk away.
I want him back here badly, but even I'm starting to get a little queasy about the money. People keep saying that the RS can get back under the luxury tax threshold in 2016 because they have a lot of money coming off. But is it really that much? I see Victorino ($13m), Napoli ($16m)and Mujica ($4.5m). I'm not counting Ortiz because I expect him to a good year in '15 and be back in '16.
Having three guys pulling down > $20 million/year could make it hard to get under the $189 million while filling other needs next off-season.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Nov 26, 2014 19:47:12 GMT -5
It sounds like beginning tomorrow, the Sox will start to look at other guys, while not closing the door on Lester.
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Post by soxfan06 on Nov 26, 2014 19:55:15 GMT -5
If Lester really wants to come back to Boston, he might be taking a risk by continuing to get them to increase their offer (assuming that the reports we're reading are accurate). At a point,the RS might just walk away. I want him back here badly, but even I'm starting to get a little queasy about the money. People keep saying that the RS can get back under the luxury tax threshold in 2016 because they have a lot of money coming off. But is it really that much? I see Victorino ($13m), Napoli ($16m)and Mujica ($4.5m). I'm not counting Ortiz because I expect him to a good year in '15 and be back in '16. Having three guys pulling down > $20 million/year could make it hard to get under the $189 million while filling other needs next off-season. Why do the Red Sox need to get under the luxury tax? While I understand that no one ever wants to pay the luxury tax, it's not like this team can't afford to pay the luxury tax two years in a row. Like John Henry said yesterday, being under the LuxTax limit had much less benefit than expect. So while being over the limit two years in a row increases the penalties, it's not like our owners can't afford it. I'm not sure why fans worry about stuff like this. Our owner pretty much said yesterday that he will spend what it takes to win.
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Post by soxfan06 on Nov 26, 2014 19:57:09 GMT -5
If that is the case, then I believe the Sox are truly the leaders for Lester. I believe if the money/years is in the same ballpark, then Lester chooses Boston. I can't see teams doing a whole lot better than 6/$145. 1. While yes, the kid might have hit on the Sandoval signing, he was still off on the money and it seems to be more and more likely that it was just a shot in the dark (not even really that dark) that luckily hit and he is a 1 time wonder. 2. If someone wants to spend more than 6/$145M for Lester, well they can have him.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Nov 26, 2014 20:01:01 GMT -5
I take John Henry's quote from Tuesday to mean that he's willing to go over the $189 million for one year, not two.
“The way it’s structured, we can blow through one year,” Henry said. “Again for next year, we have tremendous flexibility, so we could go through for one year and not overly affect us.”
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Post by mgoetze on Nov 26, 2014 20:04:22 GMT -5
Having three guys pulling down > $20 million/year could make it hard to get under the $189 million while filling other needs next off-season. One possible scenario for getting under the limit: RAJ comes to his senses, recognizes that Hamels with his full contract has a trade value in the general vicinity of zero, and decides to chip in a large amount of cash in order to get the "three top prospects" (as in, top 10 in the Sox system) that he promised the media and phans.
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