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Post by thursty on Nov 26, 2014 10:13:58 GMT -5
Jerry Crasnick @jcrasnick · 22h 22 hours ago
Heard this today from a baseball source: "The #phillies 'love' Mookie Betts." Just sayin.' #redsox
Tough
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Post by soxfanatic on Nov 26, 2014 10:15:05 GMT -5
Jerry Crasnick @jcrasnick · 22h 22 hours ago Heard this today from a baseball source: "The #phillies 'love' Mookie Betts." Just sayin.' #redsox Tough Such a non statement. Could have been: Heard this today from a baseball source: "The #insert-team-here 'love' Mookie Betts." Just sayin.' #redsox
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Post by texs31 on Nov 26, 2014 10:15:13 GMT -5
My response:
"I heard water is wet. Just sayin'"
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Post by nomar on Nov 26, 2014 10:33:55 GMT -5
Easy to expect all 4 when you have virtually no clue about minor league baseball and assume every prospect is just some lottery ticket peon. There's plenty of socks fans who'd say Franco, Biddle and Crawford for Ortiz (hypothetically speaking). It's funny to watch the more clueless fans start getting into it
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Post by thursty on Nov 26, 2014 10:39:10 GMT -5
Jerry Crasnick @jcrasnick · 22h 22 hours ago Heard this today from a baseball source: "The #phillies 'love' Mookie Betts." Just sayin.' #redsox Tough Such a non statement. Could have been: Heard this today from a baseball source: "The #insert-team-here 'love' Mookie Betts." Just sayin.' #redsox Just pray the Red Sox are among them
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Post by bryce on Nov 26, 2014 10:44:14 GMT -5
Oh my god! There's only two LH bats in our starting lineup. But it seems we've done in offense. Conventionally,after we add two starting pitcher,one or two bullpen help and backup catcher,Ben will go to have his own Christmas vacation and the roster will be set at that time. All of our three starting OF are RH. Is that O.K. for us to build a lineup like that?
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Post by danr on Nov 26, 2014 10:55:41 GMT -5
Oh my god! There's only two LH bats in our starting lineup. But it seems we've done in offense. Conventionally,after we add two starting pitcher,one or two bullpen help and backup catcher,Ben will go to have his own Christmas vacation and the roster will be set at that time. All of our three starting OF are RH. Is that O.K. for us to build a lineup like that? This keeps coming up and I keep trying to shoot it down. In general RH batters do not have the drop off against RH pitchers that LH hitters have against LH pitchers. With the Sox it is even less because some of the RH hitters actually hit RH pitchers better than LH pitchers, and only a couple of the regulars have significant differentials. A couple of weeks ago I compared the OPS of the lineup against RH and LH pitchers and there was a slight drop against RH pitchers, but it wasn't enough to be significant. And Hanley is another RH hitter who hits RH pitching very well. Sandoval kills it. So now the OPS probably will be even closer.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Nov 26, 2014 10:56:04 GMT -5
Merloni made a good point on WEEI.... If we were going to spend 100 mm on Hamels AND prospects... Why wouldn't we just go get James Shields instead?
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Post by soxfan1615 on Nov 26, 2014 11:01:43 GMT -5
Merloni made a good point on WEEI.... If we were going to spend 100 mm on Hamels AND prospects... Why wouldn't we just go get James Shields instead? Because he's not nearly as good as Hamels because he's been severely aided by the Royals great defense and is 2 years older
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Post by dmaineah on Nov 26, 2014 11:03:54 GMT -5
Merloni made a good point on WEEI.... If we were going to spend 100 mm on Hamels AND prospects... Why wouldn't we just go get James Shields instead? I don't want Shields. I'd rather we get Leake or any number of other young Pitchers
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Post by mgoetze on Nov 26, 2014 11:24:49 GMT -5
I'd reluctantly give up Owens, but the four you mentioned are hopefully nigh-untouchable (barring another GM doing something dumb). The Bogaerts-to-Philly noise has me a bit concerned. I'd give up any one of those four easily for Chris Sale. Hamels, however, just does not provide enough excess value over his contract to be worth it. It's not a matter of "untouchable", just a matter of value.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Nov 26, 2014 11:25:31 GMT -5
Such a non statement. Could have been: Heard this today from a baseball source: "The #insert-team-here 'love' Mookie Betts." Just sayin.' #redsox Just pray the Red Sox are among them I wouldn't worry about it.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Nov 26, 2014 11:26:50 GMT -5
I'd reluctantly give up Owens, but the four you mentioned are hopefully nigh-untouchable (barring another GM doing something dumb). The Bogaerts-to-Philly noise has me a bit concerned. I'd give up any one of those four easily for Chris Sale. Hamels, however, just does not provide enough excess value over his contract to be worth it. It's not a matter of "untouchable", just a matter of value. At a certain point, fielding the best team is more important than getting maximum value.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Nov 26, 2014 11:33:47 GMT -5
Hamels may be slightly better but Shields has proven he can pitch in the AL and wouldn't cost prospects... Hamels won't be had for anything reasonable from what I've heard.
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Post by dirtywater on Nov 26, 2014 11:34:34 GMT -5
Merloni made a good point on WEEI.... If we were going to spend 100 mm on Hamels AND prospects... Why wouldn't we just go get James Shields instead? Because he's not nearly as good as Hamels because he's been severely aided by the Royals great defense and is 2 years older I agree there is a difference, but don't think the disparity is worth what the Phillies are asking for. RAJ is the roadblock and he's only going to make a deal in which he is the clear cut winner. He's a lame-duck GM who feels his legacy is hinging on what he gets for Hamels - who is pretty much his only valuable asset left on a team full of albatross corpses.
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Post by dirtywater on Nov 26, 2014 11:36:48 GMT -5
I'd give up any one of those four easily for Chris Sale. Hamels, however, just does not provide enough excess value over his contract to be worth it. It's not a matter of "untouchable", just a matter of value. At a certain point, fielding the best team is more important than getting maximum value. That philosophy is pretty much how the 2011 Red Sox happened.
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Post by dcsoxfan on Nov 26, 2014 11:41:23 GMT -5
With two wild cards, and the lineup they have already assembled, the Red Sox don't need that much more to play meaningful baseball next September and protect their longer term prospects. They could add a couple mid-rotation starters, overpay for Andrew Miller, and build a deep power pen around De La Rosa, Webster and Barnes. That team would be good enough to contend while holding on to the most valuable prospects.
As last October demonstrates, the difference between winning the division and making the playoffs as a wild card is a 6.25% greater chance of winning it all. With two wild cards, trading prospects with six years of cheap control for veterans is even less attractive than it was before. Teams have longer windows of opportunity with two wild cards; they don't need to mortgage their future to capitalize on a limited window of opportunity.
I'd like to see the Red Sox add a Lester or Scherzer, but failing that, there are still better options than trading prospects for a Hamels or a Sale.
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Post by dmaineah on Nov 26, 2014 11:46:38 GMT -5
Has Will Middlebrooks been heard from since the signing of Sandoval & Ramirez. He's got to be feeling down.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Nov 26, 2014 11:50:35 GMT -5
Couldn't we still use Middlebrooks off the bench against tough lefties? Sandoval has stephen drew-esque numbers against lefties.
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 26, 2014 11:58:42 GMT -5
Merloni made a good point on WEEI.... If we were going to spend 100 mm on Hamels AND prospects... Why wouldn't we just go get James Shields instead? Been saying this for a month. Then trade for a rental pitcher at the deadline.
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 26, 2014 12:00:02 GMT -5
Merloni made a good point on WEEI.... If we were going to spend 100 mm on Hamels AND prospects... Why wouldn't we just go get James Shields instead? I don't want Shields. I'd rather we get Leake or any number of other young Pitchers I'd rather have Shields with Mookie, Xander, Swihart still in the organization than Hamels.
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Post by soxfan06 on Nov 26, 2014 13:59:11 GMT -5
Marlins looking to upgrade at 1B, hmm. They have some very interesting arms.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Nov 26, 2014 14:03:05 GMT -5
If your a big fan of Jake Wesley and Co.Jake "confirmed" the same thing from his sources: Dan Lifshatz ?@dan_Lifshatz 18m, "According to sources Red Sox asked for Tyson Ross or Andrew Cashner and either Casey Kelly or Max Fried in a deal for Yoenis Cespedes" Peter Gammons ?@pgammo 3h3 hours ago Pads problems trading P:Cashner's never made 27 starts, Ross threw 41.2% sliders and had 4.91 Sept ERA, Kennedy FA after '15 Cueto, Samardzija or bust...
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Post by nomar on Nov 26, 2014 14:07:48 GMT -5
Marlins looking to upgrade at 1B, hmm. They have some very interesting arms. Alvarez got pretty lucky this year I would say, and would be overpriced. They won't give up Heaney or Fernandez (obviously) for Napoli. Nicolino would get pounded at Fenway and we have a ton of lefty prospects. Eovaldi is ok. Not sure you want to give up Napoli here.
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Post by nomar on Nov 26, 2014 14:10:03 GMT -5
If your a big fan of Jake Wesley and Co.Jake "confirmed" the same thing from his sources: Dan Lifshatz ?@dan_Lifshatz 18m, "According to sources Red Sox asked for Tyson Ross or Andrew Cashner and either Casey Kelly or Max Fried in a deal for Yoenis Cespedes" Peter Gammons ?@pgammo 3h3 hours ago Pads problems trading P:Cashner's never made 27 starts, Ross threw 41.2% sliders and had 4.91 Sept ERA, Kennedy FA after '15 Cueto, Samardzija or bust... I really doubt we pry Samardzija away for Cespedes and looking at how the A's valued him (Russell) there's no way I deal for him. Cueto would be nice but extending him would be expensive to the point where I'm not sure it's possible if Lester signs here.
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