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AJ Pierzynski DFA'd, CVaz being called up
ericmvan
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 9, 2014 23:13:25 GMT -5
Which they had before getting rid of AJP, right? Butler is not exactly dead weight. They have options. I was talkin' 'bout Jonathan Lucroy breaking a finger, not David Ross. AJP is fairly good 3rd-string C for somebody's September playoff run. If they want him. Aha. But you probably need two injured catchers to get anything for him. No one offers you even a C- prospect if they think they'll be the only team bidding for him once he clears waivers. (The exception might be if someone gets hurt, and the Mariners think that team might be interested, and were planning to pick up AJP to replace John Buck. But given how much Zunino catches, AJP projects to be just a quarter-win upgrade.)
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Jul 10, 2014 0:17:42 GMT -5
I was talkin' 'bout Jonathan Lucroy breaking a finger, not David Ross. AJP is fairly good 3rd-string C for somebody's September playoff run. If they want him. Aha. But you probably need two injured catchers to get anything for him. No one offers you even a C- prospect if they think they'll be the only team bidding for him once he clears waivers. (The exception might be if someone gets hurt, and the Mariners think that team might be interested, and were planning to pick up AJP to replace John Buck. But given how much Zunino catches, AJP projects to be just a quarter-win upgrade.) we're dreaming. Especially with George Kottaras also DFA and available, AJP is in the unemployment line. And that is no joke. Mentioning George Kottaras usually gets a chuckle, but in this case, George is the sober choice and exciting acquisition and AJP is a backup AAA catcher.
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Post by elguapo on Jul 10, 2014 0:36:49 GMT -5
Mentioning George Kottaras usually gets a chuckle, but in this case, George is the sober choice and exciting acquisition and AJP is a backup AAA catcher. Kottaras has long been a solid hitter and worth of a major league roster spot - 3hr in 10 games this season.
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Post by radiohix on Jul 10, 2014 2:25:38 GMT -5
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 10, 2014 4:23:58 GMT -5
I hated AJ as much as everybody else and didn't want him on this team no matter what his production was but to the best of my knowledge his teammates always liked him and it was the opposing players who hated him so much. We loved Youk but a lot of other teams hated him almost as much. Rob Bradford ?@bradfo 1h The A.J. Pierzynski problem was worse than anybody could have imagined www.weei.com/sports/boston/baseball/red-sox/rob-bradford/2014/07/10/aj-pierzynski-problem-was-worse-anybody-could … The Red Sox might rattle off 10 straight losses, leading to many of the players celebrating the Red Sox' 5-4 walk-off win over the White Sox Wednesday night being shipped out of town. But the facts are the facts, and the facts are that this one player was identified by multiple members of what is perceived as one of baseball's most tight-knit groups as the dark cloud that has just been lifted.
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Post by stevedillard on Jul 10, 2014 7:04:28 GMT -5
Pathetic that the "close knit" group of players couldn't overcome one self centered guy. Shows how the narrative is too over the top. 2011 "chicken and beer": bad clubhouse guys 2013 "Band of bearded brothers":best clubhouse ever, 2014 "Dark cloud has been lifted"; how one guy, Pierzynski, brought down a champion.
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Post by jmei on Jul 10, 2014 8:28:33 GMT -5
Every bad team needs a scapegoat. In 2011 it was Beckett, in 2012 it was Valentine, and this year it's Pierzynski.
ADD: that said, the fact that he was just DFAed now rather than trying to shopped around right up until the trade deadline probably suggests that he was enough of a jerk or whatever that they wanted him out ASAP.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jul 10, 2014 9:02:45 GMT -5
I'm also pretty sure they've been trying to trade for something and have found no takers
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 10, 2014 10:13:09 GMT -5
We all know what a 1-game sample means, right? Guy goes 0/3 or 2/4, doesn't tell you anything about him as a hitter, it's just whether he had a good or bad game.
I'll report Vazquez's pitch-framing numbers here (or in its own thread if the mods think that's wise), from BP, game-by-game and cumulative.
In his debut, CVaz had 68 framing chances for 22.6 predicted and 23 actual strikes. He added 0.1 runs in theory (ignoring count), 0.0 in actuality. Solid debut.
(For comparison, Ross in his career has added 1.6 strikes per 68 chances. This is not a number that's likely to be meaningful in a single game -- but we knew that!)
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 10, 2014 10:19:47 GMT -5
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 10, 2014 10:42:50 GMT -5
What those graphs show most of all is that ump, aside from being consistently generous with the low strike, called a really good game, which goes a long way to explaining the nearly neutral numbers. Two things to keep in mind when comparing the BP totals to these graphs: -- BP doesn't force the standard strike zone to be square, and has a probabilistic outcome for each spot. I believe they also vary the standard zone by count, e.g., it's much bigger on 3-0 and tends to shrink with 2 strikes. -- The top and bottom of the zone as marked by pitch/fx data has always been problematical. BP and Brooks may be doing it differently.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 10, 2014 10:55:41 GMT -5
What those graphs show most of all is that ump, aside from being consistently generous with the low strike, called a really good game, which goes a long way to explaining the nearly neutral numbers. Two things to keep in mind when comparing the BP totals to these graphs: -- BP doesn't force the standard strike zone to be square, and has a probabilistic outcome for each spot. I believe they also vary the standard zone by count, e.g., it's much bigger on 3-0 and tends to shrink with 2 strikes. -- The top and bottom of the zone as marked by pitch/fx data has always been problematical. BP and Brooks may be doing it differently. Do you know if BP assumes the extra 4 outside inches for LHH to be strikes?
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jul 10, 2014 11:01:15 GMT -5
Agreed. That's a very consistent umpiring job, the same for both teams.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 10, 2014 12:12:21 GMT -5
Spring to Pawtucket.
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Post by moonstone2 on Jul 10, 2014 12:37:50 GMT -5
Every bad team needs a scapegoat. In 2011 it was Beckett, in 2012 it was Valentine, and this year it's Pierzynski. ADD: that said, the fact that he was just DFAed now rather than trying to shopped around right up until the trade deadline probably suggests that he was enough of a jerk or whatever that they wanted him out ASAP. John Tomase was on the radio this morning. He said that when he wrote negatively about Pierzynski no one rushed to his defense. Thought that AJ was more interested in preparing for an eventual national TV gig after his playing career than preparing to play. Would become gregarious when Ken Rosenthal entered the clubhouse but sullen and distatnt all other times.
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Post by quintanariffic on Jul 10, 2014 13:22:20 GMT -5
Every bad team needs a scapegoat. In 2011 it was Beckett, in 2012 it was Valentine, and this year it's Pierzynski. ADD: that said, the fact that he was just DFAed now rather than trying to shopped around right up until the trade deadline probably suggests that he was enough of a jerk or whatever that they wanted him out ASAP. Well yeah - that plus the fact that there hasn't been a single voice of praise or defense coming from the Red Sox clubhouse is pretty damning. Hell, Jake Peavy isn't even gone yet, but there are already more sorrowful references to his departure than we've heard for AJ.
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Post by quintanariffic on Jul 10, 2014 13:25:15 GMT -5
And Dent to Portland. Interesting choice, and hopefully indicative that Asuaje will get the well-deserved call to Salem shortly. Not like Dent was blocking anyone but, with him gone, surely they can find at-bats for Asuaje amongst those for uber-prospects like Mike Miller, Jantzen Witte and Jose Vinicio.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 10, 2014 13:39:56 GMT -5
Heard that it might be Perkins getting the call.
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 10, 2014 13:51:15 GMT -5
Two things to keep in mind when comparing the BP totals to these graphs: -- BP doesn't force the standard strike zone to be square, and has a probabilistic outcome for each spot. I believe they also vary the standard zone by count, e.g., it's much bigger on 3-0 and tends to shrink with 2 strikes. Do you know if BP assumes the extra 4 outside inches for LHH to be strikes? As I said, they take every spot in and around the strike zone (1" squares or something) and have determined the historic strike probability by count and batter handedness. I presume they've smoothed the data by some kind of averaging algorithm. They may even control for umpire and for pitcher. It's BP; they usually try to do these things right.
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Post by larrycook on Jul 10, 2014 15:07:31 GMT -5
Heard that it might be Perkins getting the call. Saw Perkins play this week. He struck out twice on nasty 91 mph fastballs that he could not catch. Interesting note - of all the Greenville hitters, he was the only one to go after fastballs. The others preferred to go after change ups and not very sharp breaking balls. But Perkins was swinging at all the heat thrown to him.
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Post by quintanariffic on Jul 10, 2014 15:26:39 GMT -5
Heard that it might be Perkins getting the call. And you are correct, natch. WTF? Did Asuaje say something bad about Ben Crockett's mother? What am I missing here? 22 years old in the SAL Tearing the cover off the ball at 3 positions No real prospects blocking him in Salem. This is just weird.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jul 10, 2014 15:52:11 GMT -5
Exactly what I was thinking. He must have pissed someone off.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 10, 2014 16:01:03 GMT -5
Exactly what I was thinking. He must have pissed someone off. Maybe he's friends with Nava.
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