duda
Rookie
Posts: 15
|
Post by duda on Aug 19, 2014 14:50:18 GMT -5
I appear to be wrong, but I was under the assumption that you submitted a bid and then the agent and player decided. This appears to be the other way where teams are increasing their offers and a bidding war ensues. Does this favor the Red sox? As against the Tigers, I would say not, they have handed out some enormous contracts the last few years. I would expect Ben to have a harder line financially. And I dont buy for a second that the Cubs and Yankees are out. Usually within 24 hours of the Yankees declaring themselves out, you get the breaking news;" The New York Yankees have agred in principle......."
|
|
|
Post by jimed14 on Aug 19, 2014 14:51:47 GMT -5
I appear to be wrong, but I was under the assumption that you submitted a bid and then the agent and player decided. This appears to be the other way where teams are increasing their offers and a bidding war ensues. Does this favor the Red sox? As against the Tigers, I would say not, they have handed out some enormous contracts the last few years. I would expect Ben to have a harder line financially. And I dont buy for a second that the Cubs and Yankees are out. Usually within 24 hours of the Yankees declaring themselves out, you get the breaking news;" The New York Yankees have agred in principle......." Yeah this is why I never believe "blind bidding". It's freakin' free agency. Nothing blind about it. It's not like some 3rd party consulting firm is verifying the bids and results.
|
|
|
Post by soxfan06 on Aug 19, 2014 15:25:32 GMT -5
Whatever happens here, I still hope we go after Tomas too.
|
|
|
Post by burythehammer on Aug 19, 2014 15:43:30 GMT -5
I don't really want the Red Sox to win a crazy stupid bidding war for this guy. Everyone should chisel their opinions in stone before it happens. Keep in mind that a "crazy, stupid bidding war" is still going to result in less than what Abreu got and somewhere in the area of what aging/declining guys like Granderson and Beltran got in free agency last offseason.
|
|
|
Post by adiospaydro2005 on Aug 19, 2014 16:04:03 GMT -5
I would thought that the Red Sox would drop out once the bidding reached 5 years and $40 million. Castillo is not the next Puig, Abreau or even Cespedes for that matter. Sure, the Red Sox have the available money, but there lots of mixed reports on his ability. Remember how Theo trashed his hotel room after the Yankees outbid the Red Sox for El Duque? How did that work out? I fear that Castillo will be one of a long line of over-hyped and over-paid Cuban baseball players.
|
|
|
Post by soxfanatic on Aug 19, 2014 16:07:55 GMT -5
I would thought that the Red Sox would drop out once the bidding reached 5 years and $40 million. Castillo is not the next Puig, Abreau or even Cespedes for that matter. Sure, the Red Sox have the available money, but there lots of mixed reports on his ability. Remember how Theo trashed his hotel room after the Yankees outbid the Red Sox for El Duque? How did that work out? I fear that Castillo will be one of a long line of over-hyped and over-paid Cuban baseball players. Puig is another player whose scouting reports weren't glowing when he left Cuba. Everyone was laughing at the Dodgers for that horrible contract. Look at him now. Not saying Castillo is the next Puig, but there's so little reliable data/scouting reports out there it's very hard to predict what his future will be.
|
|
|
Post by pedroelgrande on Aug 19, 2014 16:18:13 GMT -5
Puig wasn't Puig when he signed, Badler wrote about teams thinking the Dodgers were "crazy." Abreu "lacked bat-speed" and could be beat with good fast balls.
We just don't know who is gonna be good, bad or fugly. We have very little info, for as much as I appreciate what Badler and or other guys provide it's not enough to say with any degree of certainty what the guy will be.
I'm opposed to giving crazy contracts like 7+ years, 150+ millions. But 50+ millions for 5 years is not gonna cripple the franchise or the owner. If our scouts, which I have no way of knowing what they think, say that this guy can be a serviceable big leaguer I don't see why not. With the way that free-agency is going it's a bargain even if he is not Puig, Abreu or even Cespedes.
|
|
|
Post by mgoetze on Aug 19, 2014 16:29:18 GMT -5
It's really too bad none of the other 31 teams stepped up to give Hinojosa the $80 million he was obviously worth.
|
|
|
Post by tizzle on Aug 19, 2014 16:33:36 GMT -5
I would thought that the Red Sox would drop out once the bidding reached 5 years and $40 million. Castillo is not the next Puig, Abreau or even Cespedes for that matter. Sure, the Red Sox have the available money, but there lots of mixed reports on his ability. Remember how Theo trashed his hotel room after the Yankees outbid the Red Sox for El Duque? How did that work out? I fear that Castillo will be one of a long line of over-hyped and over-paid Cuban baseball players. It wasn't El Duque, it was Contreras.
|
|
|
Post by GyIantosca on Aug 19, 2014 16:38:29 GMT -5
No matter what he gets for a contract will he have his 3 options?
|
|
|
Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 19, 2014 16:41:19 GMT -5
I'm obviously interested in the outcome of whether the Sox get Castillo or not, but I don't have any great feeling that it's a huge loss if the Red Sox don't get him, nor am I as ecstatic if the Red Sox do sign him.
I was very excited about Abreu and thought that he dominated so greatly in Cuba that he was THE BAT to go get in the offseason, but the timing of his signing was strange, although if the Sox could have spun it that he was a future 3b for them and not a 1b for them, perhaps that wouldn't have upset the apple cart during the World Series. Who knows? I really wanted to see the Red Sox sign him.
I don't have that same feeling towards Castillo. I guess I'm concerned that he'll be a low OBP guy with middling at best home run power. With the success of some of the Cuban players, the market value for them obviously will be up, even for a lesser player, one albeit that is cheaper than signing a free agent.
Frankly, I'd rather see the Sox give Betts the CF job as I do think, given a chance, he'll seize it, but understandably, the Sox could be a little concerned, given how young Betts is and seeing what happened to a sure thing like Bogaerts this year, that even the best prospects, can have a steep learning curve.
My concern is that if the Sox do sign Castillo, then Betts, who I really want the Sox to keep, is probably a goner. I don't see the Sox putting him at 3b or SS, and with Cespedes and Craig around, I don't see Betts in an OF corner.
|
|
|
Post by amfox1 on Aug 19, 2014 17:23:46 GMT -5
Buster Olney ?@buster_ESPN 23m Two folks involved in the Rusney Castillo bidding view the Cubs as the most likely team to land him. Just their educated guesses.
|
|
|
Post by mgoetze on Aug 19, 2014 17:40:27 GMT -5
No matter what he gets for a contract will he have his 3 options? Yes, but the Sox like to tie their own hands. See: Drew, Stephen.
|
|
|
Post by bigpupp on Aug 19, 2014 17:56:44 GMT -5
No matter what he gets for a contract will he have his 3 options? Not necessarily. Matsuzaka's contract, for example, prohibited the team from sending him down. It all depends on what gets negotiated.
|
|
|
Post by mjammz on Aug 19, 2014 18:46:31 GMT -5
Buster Olney ?@buster_ESPN 23m Two folks involved in the Rusney Castillo bidding view the Cubs as the most likely team to land him. Just their educated guesses. Basically no one has any definitive idea where he is going to go. Olney's tweet was basically meaningless. Red Sox have been consistently been mentioned as one of the main suitors since the beginning. I've had the feeling all along that if they wanted him they were going to get him regardless of the coast. They have the money and future payroll flexibility to out bid the Tigers and the I'll never believe the Cubs are going to spend big money until I see it first.
|
|
|
Post by mjammz on Aug 19, 2014 19:11:14 GMT -5
Gordon Edes @gordonedes I like their chances //RT @chrisjoyce68: @gordonedes Gordon do you think the Redsox will get Castillo?
|
|
|
Post by amfox1 on Aug 19, 2014 20:13:33 GMT -5
Ken Rosenthal ?@ken_Rosenthal 17m Sources: #Tigers, #RedSox, #SFGiants still in mix for Rusney Castillo. #Cubs, #Yankees, #Phillies not expected to place high bid.
|
|
|
Post by mjammz on Aug 19, 2014 22:22:23 GMT -5
With Rosenthal confirming NYY, Cubs, Phillies out it seems like it's coming down to what we heard last night Red Sox and Tigers with Red Sox the most likely team. I think we get him for 7/56 or something along those lines.
|
|
|
Post by cologneredsox on Aug 20, 2014 6:04:21 GMT -5
The problem with the Euro analogy is that baseball is a part of the national pastime in Cuba with little competition from other sports than perhaps soccer unlike basketball in Europe where they have to import American players. Yeah, most of the European Universities and colleges have basketball programs. Actually, Europe don't have "college programs" at all, over here we have "Clubs", where talents play from their youth till they come out, if they have the talent and abilities... Gesendet von meinem iPhone mit Tapatalk
|
|
|
Post by rjp313jr on Aug 20, 2014 8:48:11 GMT -5
With Rosenthal confirming NYY, Cubs, Phillies out it seems like it's coming down to what we heard last night Red Sox and Tigers with Red Sox the most likely team. I think we get him for 7/56 or something along those lines. When did he confirm that?
|
|
|
Post by burythehammer on Aug 20, 2014 8:59:37 GMT -5
Why would he get a 7 year deal? He'll be 28 by next year's All-Star break.
|
|
|
Post by amfox1 on Aug 20, 2014 9:05:25 GMT -5
If $55mm is the number, the years are likely to be 5. I would expect the $/year to be between $10-12mm. Abreu was $11.3mm ($68mm, 6yrs). Cespedes was $9mm.
|
|
|
Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 20, 2014 9:39:01 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by mjammz on Aug 20, 2014 10:46:05 GMT -5
Maybe I overshot on the years, but I fully expect the number to be around 56-60 million based on reports. If he turns out to be the player they think he is locking him up for 9-10 million per year is relatively cheap in the grand scheme. It's a risk, but a manageable one.
|
|
|
Post by SALNotes on Aug 20, 2014 11:48:17 GMT -5
With Rosenthal confirming NYY, Cubs, Phillies out it seems like it's coming down to what we heard last night Red Sox and Tigers with Red Sox the most likely team. I think we get him for 7/56 or something along those lines. I realize these guys are our only source of info here but they're wrong a lot I don't remember any of them having Abreu to the WhiteSox or Cespedes to the A's or Chapman to the Reds I'm hoping it's the Sox though
|
|