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Post by nomar on Aug 20, 2014 12:04:07 GMT -5
$11M is a good risk to take IMO. Let the pieces fall into place this offseason. Don't worry about a logjam now.
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Post by sibbysisti on Aug 20, 2014 12:25:20 GMT -5
With Kevin Hayes signing with the MFRs, I'm hoping this drama with Castillo will play out to give at least one Boston team some hope.
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Post by amfox1 on Aug 20, 2014 12:26:07 GMT -5
Evolution or desperation? Makes more sense to wait and go after Tomas IMO I bet he goes to Detroit. I'd pass on signing him too. He isn't a sure thing, I could see the bidding pushing his price over his value. There likely will be better places to spend (Masterson and he could be similar price for example). I'm actually hoping we land him now if it's for the right price. Even if he's worse in the infield, a versatile fielding 27 year old with upside is good enough for me. We don't need him to be Puig or Abreu to improve our team. His K numbers aren't nearly as bad as I thought, although the pitching in Cuba isn't great. $11M is a good risk to take IMO. Let the pieces fall into place this offseason. Don't worry about a logjam now.
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Post by borisman on Aug 20, 2014 12:34:00 GMT -5
Evolution or desperation? Makes more sense to wait and go after Tomas IMO I bet he goes to Detroit. I'd pass on signing him too. He isn't a sure thing, I could see the bidding pushing his price over his value. There likely will be better places to spend (Masterson and he could be similar price for example). I'm actually hoping we land him now if it's for the right price. Even if he's worse in the infield, a versatile fielding 27 year old with upside is good enough for me. We don't need him to be Puig or Abreu to improve our team. His K numbers aren't nearly as bad as I thought, although the pitching in Cuba isn't great. $11M is a good risk to take IMO. Let the pieces fall into place this offseason. Don't worry about a logjam now. Evolving desperation.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 20, 2014 12:35:51 GMT -5
I remember the Pujols of Cuba description being so intriguing in the thought of getting Abreu, and that's exactly what he has been this year, a junior version of St. Louis Pujols.
But the description of Rajai Davis with a little more power doesn't exactly excite me. Davis is a good bench player who sometimes plays more than he should. I would hope that Castillo would be better. Perhaps a Shane Victorino type?
I do have a feeling the Sox will come away with him, although the Tigers could probably use him a little more right now.
I just hope the Sox getting Castillo doesn't mean that Betts will be dealt. I just don't see Betts being auditioned for the left side of the infield. He's either CF or on another team. I don't think he'll wind up in a corner OF spot, although I wouldn't have an issue with it. I'd much rather him Betts in LF than Allen Craig going forward.
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Post by juniorp90 on Aug 20, 2014 12:40:31 GMT -5
Si Abreu costó $11.33 Millones por temporada no veo nada conveniente una cifra igual para Castillo. Me gusta lo que se ve de Castillo según reportes de especialistas pero $11 sería mucho dinero. Como mucho $9 Millones por temporada (5 o 6 años).
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Post by nomar on Aug 20, 2014 12:42:55 GMT -5
Evolution or desperation? Makes more sense to wait and go after Tomas IMO I bet he goes to Detroit. I'd pass on signing him too. He isn't a sure thing, I could see the bidding pushing his price over his value. There likely will be better places to spend (Masterson and he could be similar price for example). I'm actually hoping we land him now if it's for the right price. Even if he's worse in the infield, a versatile fielding 27 year old with upside is good enough for me. We don't need him to be Puig or Abreu to improve our team. His K numbers aren't nearly as bad as I thought, although the pitching in Cuba isn't great. $11M is a good risk to take IMO. Let the pieces fall into place this offseason. Don't worry about a logjam now. Yeah I kept wavering but I think I had to step back and realize that the risk is pretty minimal. But I still think we should bid on Tomas when the time comes as well.
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Post by ianrs on Aug 20, 2014 13:07:04 GMT -5
I think its interesting that most people seem to be supporting a binary view of Castillo. That is, Castillo is either Puig/Abreu/Cespedes or Linares/Dodgers infielders who I'm blanking on the names of. Boom or bust, if you will.
There's a distinct possibility Castillo will be somewhere in between. Lets say, a .700-.800 OPS CF with average to slightly below average defense and above-average speed. That's a guy I'm okay with spending 50-60 million on, especially over multiple years and without the threat of losing a pick. Especially when the Yankees just signed a similar player to a seven-year, $153 million dollar deal.
Sure, there's a chance Castillo busts. But the risk is worth it around that price in my opinion.
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Post by sibbysisti on Aug 20, 2014 13:18:32 GMT -5
Evolution or desperation? Yeah I kept wavering but I think I had to step back and realize that the risk is pretty minimal. But I still think we should bid on Tomas when the time comes as well. I don't know. From the reports I've read on Tomas, the name Willy Mo come to mind. Hope I'm wrong.
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Post by sibbysisti on Aug 20, 2014 13:21:19 GMT -5
Si Abreu costó $11.33 Millones por temporada no veo nada conveniente una cifra igual para Castillo. Me gusta lo que se ve de Castillo según reportes de especialistas pero $11 sería mucho dinero. Como mucho $9 Millones por temporada (5 o 6 años). Pero son los ricos en Boston que están pagando su sueldo.
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Post by juniorp90 on Aug 20, 2014 13:27:53 GMT -5
He became the starting right fielder in 2010-2011 and responded with a .324/.373/.555 line. He hit 22 doubles and 18 homers, scored 75 runs and drove in 79 in 88 games. He was 10th in the Cuban Serie Nacional in RBI, tied Urmaris Guerra for 9th in total bases (202) and led with 29 steals, 6 more than runner-up Yoelvis Leyva.Tomado de Baseball Reference, link : www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Rusney_CastilloKnowing this: Rusney Castillo, Mookie Betts RF and CF... Craig or Napoli in the market...
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Post by juniorp90 on Aug 20, 2014 13:34:49 GMT -5
Si Abreu costó $11.33 Millones por temporada no veo nada conveniente una cifra igual para Castillo. Me gusta lo que se ve de Castillo según reportes de especialistas pero $11 sería mucho dinero. Como mucho $9 Millones por temporada (5 o 6 años). Pero son los ricos en Boston que están pagando su sueldo. Cualquiera que no sea de White Sox se molestaría con esa producción de Abreu si lo vemos desde el punto de vista Producción-Sueldo... Waao por unos pocos millones no lo tenemos!!!
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Post by alnipper on Aug 20, 2014 13:57:12 GMT -5
English please.
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Post by sibbysisti on Aug 20, 2014 14:08:28 GMT -5
I think its interesting that most people seem to be supporting a binary view of Castillo. That is, Castillo is either Puig/Abreu/Cespedes or Linares/Dodgers infielders who I'm blanking on the names of. Boom or bust, if you will. There's a distinct possibility Castillo will be somewhere in between. Lets say, a .700-.800 OPS CF with average to slightly below average defense and above-average speed. That's a guy I'm okay with spending 50-60 million on, especially over multiple years and without the threat of losing a pick. Especially when the Yankees just signed a similar player to a seven-year, $153 million dollar deal. Sure, there's a chance Castillo busts. But the risk is worth it around that price in my opinion. He's also been compared to Rajai Davis and Ron Gant. Hope the latter is his comp.
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Post by amfox1 on Aug 20, 2014 15:31:37 GMT -5
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Post by GyIantosca on Aug 20, 2014 16:57:16 GMT -5
I dont understand I saw a tweet that said the Phillies and Yankees are out of the bid. They have no idea with these cuban players. I am surprised there is no liasion between these two camps.
My feeling is we are not getting him. He probably go to the Giants or something weird like that.
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Post by sammo420 on Aug 20, 2014 18:44:18 GMT -5
A comical aspect of the workout was the way the “handlers” treated Castillo, toweling him off after every five swings, offering him water every few seconds and even using towels to fan him. At one point, one of his handlers actually tied his shoes for him. Castillo seemed to think of all of this was essential, changing shirts for every exercise and switching shoes, too. Apparently, his fielding shoes are not his hitting shoes. SMH I wish this drama queen would hurry up and make a decision either way. I wonder if he has handlers dabbing sweat off his forehead while he's mulling over offers?
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Post by burythehammer on Aug 20, 2014 20:58:20 GMT -5
This is part of why I think he doesn't end up signing with one of the contending teams. At this point he'll get what, a week of at-bats in the minors? And then the Yankees or Tigers are gonna give him regular playing time to find out if he can play in the middle of a playoff race? The reward is potentially higher for those teams in the short-term but I think either Philly or Boston is a more logical fit.
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Post by soxfanatic on Aug 21, 2014 7:25:04 GMT -5
@pgammo: One club official who has been on Rusney Castillo for a month says "no one knows who's getting him or which teams will jump in unexpectedly
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Post by GyIantosca on Aug 21, 2014 7:40:25 GMT -5
So it's bidding then more bidding. That's crap.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 21, 2014 7:41:16 GMT -5
So it's bidding then more bidding. That's crap. I hope this ends the farce of blind bidding being a real thing.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Aug 21, 2014 8:59:03 GMT -5
I heard that Castillo is ready to sign a contract soon but he's just waiting to find a good pair of "signing a contract" shoes.
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Post by Guidas on Aug 21, 2014 10:25:50 GMT -5
As for predictions, here is the pre-signing scouting report on Cespedes from Baseball America: www.baseballamerica.com/online/prospects/international-affairs/2011/2612579.htmlHeadline: Yoenis Cespedes Is Talented, But No Overnight StarTurns out he was an overnight star, at least in his first year. Ditto Puig - still looking for that report but I remember most were less than glowing about him, too. Takeaway: Because of the political restrictions in Cuba, there just isn't enough info on these guys to make as clear an assessment as, say, a Japanese professional (the latter of which have had so-so evaluations before coming to the US as well with a much greater body of work).
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Post by danr on Aug 21, 2014 10:25:56 GMT -5
If you were in this guy's position, wouldn't you hold out for as much money as you could get? I just find it amusing how all these fellows who grew up in just about the purest communist system in the world - and about the only one that even works to a fair extent - so easily, and so enthusiastically, adapt to the capitalist world.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 21, 2014 10:34:55 GMT -5
If you were in this guy's position, wouldn't you hold out for as much money as you could get? I just find it amusing how all these fellows who grew up in just about the purest communist system in the world - and about the only one that even works to a fair extent - so easily, and so enthusiastically, adapt to the capitalist world. Not trying to be political, but they have just about 0 ties to any MLB cities to begin with so there is almost no point in taking less than the max dollars offered. It's not like he can go back to Cuba and visit family and friends. Not to mention he has an agent that's in charge of his negotiating, not him.
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