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Rusney Castillo (source: will sign for $72.5mm thru 2020)
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Post by sibbysisti on Aug 22, 2014 11:41:35 GMT -5
Now we know why Cespedes left after the third inning "for personal reasons". He had to help out in the Castillo negotiations.
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Post by soxcentral on Aug 22, 2014 11:43:02 GMT -5
“So ... what are the possibilities? 3) They think Castillo can play 3B. That would actually rock big-time, if he could” -- Now that’s some bold thinking right there. Intriguing. Move an outfielder to the infield (Castillo) after moving an infielder to the outfield (Betts) ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) ?? I think the smarter move it to keep Castillo in CF, move Betts to 3B, and go forward from there.
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Post by burythehammer on Aug 22, 2014 11:43:13 GMT -5
2014. Crater out, no offense, suddenly overextend on dollars and years for Castillo. What happened to offseason talk about discipline. It now is, as Singer writes, "only money" and the "flexibility of short term deals" that was another talking point, goes away. You're making it sounds like they gave him 170 million instead of 70. In terms of AAV, Castillo is in the range of guys like David Dejesus, Stephen Drew, Dan Haren, Derek Jeter. So unless you think Castillo is a total bust (and feel free to provide evidence), or you think the Red Sox way outbid other teams, I fail to see how this is an overextend or goes against the philosophy of flexibility. Once again this comes down to the fact that the Red Sox value players differently than you do, Steve. That's what it's always been about with you. And that's fine, you're entitled to your philosophy, but don't try to say the Red Sox are contradicting themselves when they're not.
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Post by jimoh on Aug 22, 2014 11:43:32 GMT -5
I would assume the contract is for 6 years plus this one at $72.5M. There is about 22% of the season left. Unless they did something out of the ordinary that would likely be an AAV of $11.66M. The cap number this year would be about $2.56M. I'm not sure where that puts them relative to the luxury tax threshold. Speier: "Castillo will count for $10.36 million against the luxury tax threshold for each of the seven years of his deal, including 2014." That's pretty brilliant if they get away with it. Thank you again, Ryan Dempster.
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Post by mjammz on Aug 22, 2014 11:45:05 GMT -5
I don't think Red Sox have an aversion to long term contracts. They have a problem with long term contracts for players 30-31+ and 20-25 million per year. Deals that significantly handicap roster decisions for years to come. This is not one of those deals.
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Post by mredsox89 on Aug 22, 2014 11:45:49 GMT -5
This is a move where they could potentially pay an all-star player mid-level money AAV. Or, he could be a bust, and it still only costs the Sox 10M/year, well within their budget to eat a mistake in the latter half of the deal
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Post by amfox1 on Aug 22, 2014 11:46:15 GMT -5
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Post by ramireja on Aug 22, 2014 11:47:55 GMT -5
Funny, if Detroit had signed him for say 6 years, $66 mill, the usual suspects would be crying about how we can't find a way to top the highest bidder.
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Post by burythehammer on Aug 22, 2014 11:50:04 GMT -5
BTW I like how "win WS" is an afterthought in that cute little narrative.
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Post by amfox1 on Aug 22, 2014 11:50:26 GMT -5
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Post by burythehammer on Aug 22, 2014 11:52:27 GMT -5
www.baseballamerica.com/majors/rusney-castillo-signs/Cuban outfielder Rusney Castillo agreed to sign with the Red Sox last night. According to a source, the deal is for six years, $72.5 million, making it the highest first-year contract ever for a Cuban player. Prior to the last year of his contract, Castillo will be able to opt into arbitration, which could take the total value of the deal even higher. So, worst case scenario, if he's really good, he gets something closer to (but still less than) market value for one year. Great contract.
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Post by amfox1 on Aug 22, 2014 11:53:26 GMT -5
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Post by widewordofsport on Aug 22, 2014 11:58:42 GMT -5
"ROOS-nay"
That'll play well in Boston... haven't have a good "boo"-sounding nickname since Youk. "Ruuuuz" will work nicely.
I am personally on board with stashing JBJ/Betts at AAA until they figure out who can hit, and if they want to keep Cespedes (no, thanks).
I don't think that's the value play, and I can't see JBJ/Betts/Nava on this team in Spring next year, sadly since both are two of my favorite Sox. Victorino/Cespedes isn't going to get us a good pitcher.
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Post by widewordofsport on Aug 22, 2014 11:59:53 GMT -5
www.baseballamerica.com/majors/rusney-castillo-signs/Cuban outfielder Rusney Castillo agreed to sign with the Red Sox last night. According to a source, the deal is for six years, $72.5 million, making it the highest first-year contract ever for a Cuban player. Prior to the last year of his contract, Castillo will be able to opt into arbitration, which could take the total value of the deal even higher. So, worst case scenario, if he's really good, he gets something closer to (but still less than) market value for one year. Great contract. No kidding... if he's that good, I have no complaints.
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Post by stevedillard on Aug 22, 2014 12:03:11 GMT -5
Edit. Not worth it. mahalo.
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Post by redsox4242 on Aug 22, 2014 12:07:08 GMT -5
I love the deal, now we a legit leadoff hitter. Great move. Go Sox!!!
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Post by brianthetaoist on Aug 22, 2014 12:10:31 GMT -5
Sounds like Jacoby Ellsbury with a slightly better arm ... I'm sorta joking. But just because I don't think *anything* is a reasonable comp ... or at least we don't have nearly enough information to make a real judgment. The guy fits exactly the profile of what the Sox need (good defensive outfielder with speed and some pop), but there's just no way of knowing if he's any good yet. Clearly, the Sox are not willing to put all their chips on Betts and JBJ, and they find another season like this one unacceptable next year. Every move they've made is to rebuild the team as rapidly as possible, without sacrificing much in the prospect pipeline (at least until this winter). I'm cool with that.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 22, 2014 12:17:16 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity, they can still flip him during the off-season, correct? I doubt it would happen, but just curious.
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Post by elguapo on Aug 22, 2014 12:24:48 GMT -5
Sounds like Jacoby Ellsbury with a slightly better arm ... . Castillo at ages 27-33 vs Ellsbury 30-36? It's not an unreasonable subject of discussion. Lots of unknown for each deal.
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Post by Guidas on Aug 22, 2014 12:44:24 GMT -5
This has all the markings of a stupid overpay knee jerk overreaction to having not signed one or more of Cespedes/Puig/Abreu. Winner! So to be clear, y'all are saying this is a Kei Igawa signing? One's thing's for sure it's going to be an interesting off season. And I wouldn't assume the team is writing off Bradley just yet. He has options, showed significant promise at every level before reaching MLB and his value is at a low point. Seems like a great moment for him to rebuild value in AAA and re-emerge as what so many thought he'd be by next June or so. Meanwhile, if Castillo is what they think he is, he can play RF or LF if Bradley forces his way into CF with those wheels and has an arm that's prob a click better than Nava's. Alternately, Bradley could play RF. Lots of fun combinations. But yes, the trade front this winter should be electric for the Sox no matter what. Personally, I fear that more than one, and maybe as many as three of my personal binkies (Swihart, Mookie, Devers, Margot) will be dealt.
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Post by Guidas on Aug 22, 2014 12:46:24 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity, they can still flip him during the off-season, correct? I doubt it would happen, but just curious. Oh yes. He's completely flippable. Just that picking up more than $1M of salary has to be approved by Selig/Manfred/Commissioner Gordon.
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Post by bettsonmookie on Aug 22, 2014 12:56:30 GMT -5
So assuming this signing guarantees Castillo a spot in future lineups.. We are looking extremely heavy on right handed hitting.. This makes me inclined to think they favor JBJ in CF long-term (assuming he can re-gain his offensive stroke) to Mookie, and that Mookie may be a centerpiece in an offseason deal. I want Mookie to stay long-term as much as the next guy, but this also makes me wonder if the Sox FO considers Mookie's season to be an anomaly in which he may be playing over his head, leading to a high market valuation. If this is the case, I wouldn't be surprised to see BC time the market similar to the way he did with Iglesias/Peavy.
Just looking at the RHH players we have that almost require spots in the lineup moving forward: Pedey, Bogaerts, Vazquez, Napoli, Victorino, Castillo, Betts, etc.
My main takeaway from this signing: Who knows what comes next this offseason.
I think we're just getting started. Exciting times for RSN.
Edit: Forgot to include Craig in the RHH group
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Post by mredsox89 on Aug 22, 2014 13:03:50 GMT -5
This is clearly just step 2 in putting together the 2015 roster and beyond, behind only the Lester for Cespedes trade. There are clearly other major dominos to fall before we see what the actual roster will look like.
It should definitely be an exciting offseason given how many pieces they have to work with, and how much $ they have available
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Post by templeusox on Aug 22, 2014 13:09:12 GMT -5
We're back.
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Post by amfox1 on Aug 22, 2014 13:12:17 GMT -5
So assuming this signing guarantees Castillo a spot in future lineups.. We are looking extremely heavy on right handed hitting.. This makes me inclined to think they favor JBJ in CF long-term (assuming he can re-gain his offensive stroke) to Mookie, and that Mookie may be a centerpiece in an offseason deal. I want Mookie to stay long-term as much as the next guy, but this also makes me wonder if the Sox FO considers Mookie's season to be an anomaly in which he may be playing over his head, leading to a high market valuation. If this is the case, I wouldn't be surprised to see BC time the market similar to the way he did with Iglesias/Peavy. Let's put it this way - of any player in the current Red Sox organization, Castillo's profile most resembles Mookie Betts. Castillo is signed for six more years. Betts will be a top 25 prospect in the offseason. The Red Sox have several holes on their roster, including 3B and SP. Betts is one of their biggest trade chips. Bottom line? You are likely to be changing your SP.com handle (bettsonjordan?) before next season begins.
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