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8/5 ML Gameday Thread: PawSox at Noon; Johnson for Portland
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Post by soxfan06 on Aug 5, 2014 19:09:20 GMT -5
Best part about some of our prospects is they are pitchers. They don't just have the stuff to go out there and throw without worrying about anything. They actually have to pitch.
Obviously you need a mix of both to be successful, but it's so fun watching young kids like these guys pitch like they are in our system.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 5, 2014 19:19:59 GMT -5
Johnson 79/51 thru 6. 2 hits no BB, 5 K's ERA down to 1.95. Both runners erased on double plays. Portland up 1-0.
Mike Antonellis isn't giving many radars today and the game isn't televised. I'm assuming Meoli and Blair are at the game.
I see from the tweets that our catcher convert Oscar Perez got promoted to Lowell oops Greenville. He's had some outstanding lines recently.
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Post by amfox1 on Aug 5, 2014 19:22:01 GMT -5
From Lowell to Greenville.
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Post by aussiesox on Aug 5, 2014 19:28:50 GMT -5
Anyone listening/watching the Portland game? The commentator (Antonellis?) just pondered on whether a base runner would feign injury to fool the opposition into thinking he's not going to run, in less than a minute, runner goes, and the hitter line drives to Welch at first for a double play.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 5, 2014 19:31:19 GMT -5
Another hit off Johnson, another DP by the Dogs. (This one was a hard hit liner). 86/56 thru 7. Johnson came into the game at a career high for innings, not sure if they'll give him 100 pitches.
Antonellis gave a stat. 2 earned runs in his last 34.2 innings.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 5, 2014 19:33:54 GMT -5
Anyone listening/watching the Portland game? The commentator (Antonellis?) just pondered on whether a base runner would feign injury to fool the opposition into thinking he's not going to run, in less than a minute, runner goes, and the hitter line drives to Welch at first for a double play. Antonelis is sooooooooooooooo much better than anything in Boston. . . . Brian came out for the 8th. Career high of 8 IP in a game. He's at 98/64 so this is likely it. Faced the minimum. 8 IP 3H 0BB 5K. ERA now 1.89 which leads the league. 2nd place will be Henry Owens at 2.60. Dogs up 1-0.
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Post by cdj on Aug 5, 2014 19:58:18 GMT -5
...move him up
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Post by amfox1 on Aug 5, 2014 20:03:22 GMT -5
Ball - 6IP, 4H, 2R, 1ER, 4/3 K/BB, 81 pitches, 56 strikes (he's thrown 25 balls, 12 on the three walks). Lot of fly ball outs (3 infield, 7 outfield, plus a line out to 1B).
SamTrav - 1/3, 2B
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Post by ibsmith85 on Aug 5, 2014 20:04:36 GMT -5
Predicting a great outing by Ball tonight. 6 IP, 4 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 6 K. ...Not bad at all
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Post by amfox1 on Aug 5, 2014 20:13:03 GMT -5
Last four Ball starts:
22IP, 14H, 8R, 5ER, 13/8 K/BB, WHIP 1.00
Prior 13 starts:
57.1IP, 81H, 50R, 42ER, 41/23 K/BB, WHIP 1.82
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Post by soxfan06 on Aug 5, 2014 20:20:41 GMT -5
I know it's abitrary, but since it's just for discussion and nothing else, here's his stats from when we saw significant improvement from Bell and before.
Last 7 starts: 36 IP, 24 H, 19 R, 12 ER, 14 BB, 25 K
Prior 9 starts: 43.1 IP, 71 H, 39 R, 35 ER, 17 BB, 29 K
Obviously far from perfect, but it is still a step forward and an important one at that.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 5, 2014 20:20:58 GMT -5
Noe Ramirez with his first blown save of the year so, Johnson won't get the win. . . . If Ross spends any significant time on the DL, it will be interesting to see what the Sox do at Portland.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Aug 5, 2014 20:51:40 GMT -5
Not been many fans of the Sox who were as upset as I was when they selected Johnson in the 1st round in 2012, but now it looks like the potential is there, even for guys who were down on him as a 4 pitch Bill Lee/ Hernandez/Mickey Pena type. There is seemingly much more here.
Even I think the kid is due for a promotion to Pawtucket.
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Post by jchang on Aug 5, 2014 21:11:10 GMT -5
I think it is time to raise Johnson's projection from reliever & 5th starter ceiling to 4/5 starter. Why is it people cannot let go of the radar gun and judge on pitching. Has Ball shown enough progress that he could start in Salem next year?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 5, 2014 21:12:39 GMT -5
Re: Johnson: he was 89-91 when I saw him, with the ability to get 92-93 when he needed it later in the outing.
As for Portland, Carson Blair was promoted today. Not sure if you missed that, Ray.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 5, 2014 21:21:32 GMT -5
I think it is time to raise Johnson's projection from reliever & 5th starter ceiling to 4/5 starter. Why is it people cannot let go of the radar gun and judge on pitching. Has Ball shown enough progress that he could start in Salem next year? Johnson: that is exactly his projection on the homepage here. Not sure what you're referring to. If Ball is able to maintain his current results for the rest of the year, then yes, I'd project that.
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Post by amfox1 on Aug 5, 2014 21:28:09 GMT -5
Has Ball shown enough progress that he could start in Salem next year? I'm starting to work through my 2015 roster projections. The short answer is ... maybe. More likely, he begins the season in Greenville and gets promoted after a month. Salem and Greenville are going to be clogged with arms to begin next year and I think Stank will definitely move to Salem. It may be McGrath and Ball battling for one spot in spring training.
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Post by jchang on Aug 5, 2014 21:29:54 GMT -5
Johnson's homepage "Projects as a reliever, but has ceiling of a No. 5 starter" of course, that was probably at the beginning of the season (or when he was drafted?) when he was grade 4? grade 5 does correspond to project as 4/5 starter, but the words has not been updated since?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 5, 2014 21:31:59 GMT -5
Re: Johnson: he was 89-91 when I saw him, with the ability to get 92-93 when he needed it later in the outing. As for Portland, Carson Blair was promoted today. Not sure if you missed that, Ray. I missed that. It's what I was guessing would happen with maybe Romanski to Salem. I'm guessing they were waiting for a better grip on Ross to make that decision. ADD: I wonder how much of the stretching out of his arm plays into that. From a development standpoint, that has to be the primary consideration this year for Brian because of the facial last year. I've seen in the past where they've done arm strength tests on pitchers to help make those decisions. I'm guessing they are doing that here. ADD2: Just saw Romanski's name in the Salem box. They lost 13-5. Asuaje keeps hitting.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 5, 2014 21:41:09 GMT -5
Johnson's homepage "Projects as a reliever, but has ceiling of a No. 5 starter" of course, that was probably at the beginning of the season (or when he was drafted?) when he was grade 4? grade 5 does correspond to project as 4/5 starter, but the words has not been updated since? Ah, thanks for the heads up. We just updated.
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Post by jchang on Aug 5, 2014 21:55:36 GMT -5
Johnson's homepage "Projects as a reliever, but has ceiling of a No. 5 starter" of course, that was probably at the beginning of the season (or when he was drafted?) when he was grade 4? grade 5 does correspond to project as 4/5 starter, but the words has not been updated since? Ah, thanks for the heads up. We just updated. For another pitcher having a good year, I would have been patient waiting for this off-season for the words to be adjusted. But most of our highly regarded pitching prospects ran into trouble at AA. Owens broke the pattern. And then Johnson, who wasn't even that highly regarded at the beginning of the season, followed in such spectacular fashion, so I felt we should acknowledge his season.
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Post by klostrophobic on Aug 5, 2014 23:36:05 GMT -5
I know it's abitrary, but since it's just for discussion and nothing else, here's his stats from when we saw significant improvement from Bell and before. Last 7 starts: 36 IP, 24 H, 19 R, 12 ER, 14 BB, 25 K Prior 9 starts: 43.1 IP, 71 H, 39 R, 35 ER, 17 BB, 29 K Obviously far from perfect, but it is still a step forward and an important one at that. Has Ball really improved, though? Seems like mostly just a function of BABIP-luck. His K-rate and BB-rate haven't improved at all really, it's just the number of hits that have fallen recently. Manny Margot is having a great season, and coming on strong lately. .270/.341/.421 with a strong .778 BB/K rate. Solid power, lots of steals, good plate discipline. Looks like he sprays hits to all fields, too. I'm excited. On pace for about 15 HR and 60 SB with a seemingly good approach at the plate as a 19 year old in the Sally league. Sign me up. mlbfarm.com/player.php?player_id=622534&position=CFJust found mlbfarm.com like right now; where has this site been? Great resource.
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 6, 2014 5:22:33 GMT -5
I know it's abitrary, but since it's just for discussion and nothing else, here's his stats from when we saw significant improvement from Bell and before. Last 7 starts: 36 IP, 24 H, 19 R, 12 ER, 14 BB, 25 K Prior 9 starts: 43.1 IP, 71 H, 39 R, 35 ER, 17 BB, 29 K Obviously far from perfect, but it is still a step forward and an important one at that. Has Ball really improved, though? Seems like mostly just a function of BABIP-luck. His K-rate and BB-rate haven't improved at all really, it's just the number of hits that have fallen recently. 1) BABIP in the low minors is mostly not luck. 2) He's improved across the board, actually, except for his walk rate. When BFP K% BB% HRC BABIP GB% LD% PU% Apr-Jun 213 .136 .080 .030 .413 .329 .251 .084 Jul-Aug 145 .172 .097 .010 .221 .398 .194 .139 The improvement in BABIP has a 1 in 763 chance of happening in a simple simulation using his overall BABIP. (Moderators should move all this into his thread, of course).
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 6, 2014 5:35:23 GMT -5
Not been many fans of the Sox who were as upset as I was when they selected Johnson in the 1st round in 2012, but now it looks like the potential is there, even for guys who were down on him as a 4 pitch Bill Lee/ Hernandez/Mickey Pena type. There is seemingly much more here. Even I think the kid is due for a promotion to Pawtucket. As good as he was at Portland through July 12, his high games scores were 68, 67, 66, and 65 (three times). His last three games: 84, 73, 81.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Aug 6, 2014 5:50:48 GMT -5
Manny Margot is having a great season, and coming on strong lately. .270/.341/.421 with a strong .778 BB/K rate. Solid power, lots of steals, good plate discipline. Looks like he sprays hits to all fields, too. I'm excited. On pace for about 15 HR and 60 SB with a seemingly good approach at the plate as a 19 year old in the Sally league. Sign me up. mlbfarm.com/player.php?player_id=622534&position=CFJust found mlbfarm.com like right now; where has this site been? Great resource. Hmmm, gotta admit that I didn't quite realize how good a season Margot has had ... he's improved over his Lowell numbers in almost every way, especially a nice uptick in SLG and a solid drop in K%. His BABIP is fairly low; if he had had some BABIP luck, he'd be getting a lot more buzz, I think.
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