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Post by mjammz on Mar 31, 2015 15:45:33 GMT -5
I hope the Red Sox aren't one of those teams McDaniel is talking about in the 6-10 range looking to cut deals. This year would be a terrible year to do it. We rarely pick in the top ten, it's a thin draft crop, and we have no picks from 7-79.
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Post by stevedillard on Mar 31, 2015 15:55:40 GMT -5
Just a counterpoint. They spent a lot on high end players Moncada, Espinoza and Acosta, so with no 2 pick, and a uncertain premium draft picks, this might be worth diversifying risk by getting more volume from the top three picks in round 1, 3 and 4.
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Post by jrffam05 on Mar 31, 2015 16:14:31 GMT -5
I take it as being related to Aiken too, could be pro or con. I say that because Aiken's draft stock probably isn't changing much without any bad news coming out about his surgery, while the rest of the landscape can shift dramatically over the next few weeks.
If we have Aiken by the end of day one, I can't imagine myself being upset, at least for now.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 31, 2015 16:46:01 GMT -5
Just a counterpoint. They spent a lot on high end players Moncada, Espinoza and Acosta, so with no 2 pick, and a uncertain premium draft picks, this might be worth diversifying risk by getting more volume from the top three picks in round 1, 3 and 4. Signability players just aren't dropping enough anymore for this to work well. We saw that last year.
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Post by kman22 on Mar 31, 2015 16:56:03 GMT -5
Just a counterpoint. They spent a lot on high end players Moncada, Espinoza and Acosta, so with no 2 pick, and a uncertain premium draft picks, this might be worth diversifying risk by getting more volume from the top three picks in round 1, 3 and 4. Signability players just aren't dropping enough anymore for this to work well. We saw that last year. Especially without another pick before 81.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Mar 31, 2015 17:15:00 GMT -5
Gonna throw my hat in ring and say that the Red Sox rumor will be related to Kyle Tucker. We shall see.
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Post by nomar on Mar 31, 2015 19:44:36 GMT -5
Haven't seen Tucker that high yet, but people love his swing. At 6'4 I would think there's room for him to grow into a good amount of power too. We'll see.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Mar 31, 2015 20:02:38 GMT -5
Doesn't sound like sarcasm.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Mar 31, 2015 21:51:10 GMT -5
Just listened to Kiley McDaniel's podcast from yesterday discussing top draft prospects. Here are a couple notes:
- Matuella is hard to get a read on. His FB velocity has been all over the map. There are rumors he still is dealing with some sort of injury. Thinks presently he is a mid-first round pick, but if he strings together a couple good outings he could get back into the top 5.
- Asked directly where Aiken will go, Kiley said he had no idea. He guessed he could fall in the Hoffman - Fedde - Giolito range (10-20). Some in the scouting community believe there is a chance he could have lingering health issues and that it won't be a simple TJ recovery. My guess is Kiley's rumor about the Sox is not related to Aiken.
- He thinks Rodgers is strong candidate to go 1-1.
- Was lukewarm on Walker Buehler. There is not a whole lot of projection left even though he is very small in stature. Does not provide great angle or plane on his pitches. Can throw a full arsenal of pitches though, and has fluid mechanics.
- Bickford started off great in JC, but apparently has not scouted well his past couple of outings (although his stats have still been great). Sees him in the 15-30 range. Seems to be a lot of mystery about Bickford's personality, mainly with teams not being able to get a read on him.
- Dansby Swanson's stock has been riding high and he is at least a top-7 pick.
- Daz Cameron has underwhelmed after being considered the next best thing as a HS sophomore. He has good overall tools but would require a lot of instruction and work on his swing. Doesn't believe he has a great feel for hitting.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Apr 1, 2015 11:03:02 GMT -5
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Post by jrffam05 on Apr 1, 2015 11:29:41 GMT -5
Is there an up to date or "reliable" draft rankings list? Or should I say, which one would be the best reference?
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Post by burythehammer on Apr 1, 2015 14:52:56 GMT -5
everything's comin' up Red Sox
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Post by vermontsox1 on Apr 1, 2015 15:06:45 GMT -5
everything's comin' up Red Sox That is one way of looking at it......Or the Red Sox don't want to risk it with those guys and whoever they had their eye on at 7 might rise to a top 6 pick. There are a lot of legit health concerns with both Aiken and Matuella. If Aiken's medicals check out then that might be a worthy risk, but with Matuella you are worrying about his TJ recovery and his spinal condition. AND he hasn't really had any stretch where he sustained his velocity and stuff. Lots of risk there. ADD: BA with some quick analysis: www.baseballamerica.com/college/dukes-matuella-done-season/
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Post by pedroelgrande on Apr 1, 2015 15:21:54 GMT -5
At this point really "punting" the pick for next year has to at least be in the conversation.
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Post by jrffam05 on Apr 1, 2015 15:24:03 GMT -5
At this point really "punting" the pick for next year has to at least be in the conversation. I took some heat for saying that last time we had the 7th overall pick. Could potentially have some comp picks next year too to really stack up on a draft.
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Post by burythehammer on Apr 1, 2015 15:31:25 GMT -5
At this point really "punting" the pick for next year has to at least be in the conversation. I took some heat for saying that last time we had the 7th overall pick. I know it's way too early but are you pining over any of the guys who went in the area of the 7th pick last year?
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Post by jrffam05 on Apr 1, 2015 15:52:31 GMT -5
I took some heat for saying that last time we had the 7th overall pick. I know it's way too early but are you pining over any of the guys who went in the area of the 7th pick last year? I'm not pining over the 7th pick 2 years ago. I just thought after Fraizer and Stewart went not signing our pick was an interesting theoretical option. I had Shipley as the best available but really I had no issue with the Ball pick and signing.
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Post by telson13 on Apr 1, 2015 16:17:20 GMT -5
everything's comin' up Red Sox That is one way of looking at it......Or the Red Sox don't want to risk it with those guys and whoever they had their eye on at 7 might rise to a top 6 pick. There are a lot of legit health concerns with both Aiken and Matuella. If Aiken's medicals check out then that might be a worthy risk, but with Matuella you are worrying about his TJ recovery and his spinal condition. AND he hasn't really had any stretch where he sustained his velocity and stuff. Lots of risk there. ADD: BA with some quick analysis: www.baseballamerica.com/college/dukes-matuella-done-season/Fwiw, spondylolysis really isn't particularly uncommon. It happens to lots of kids growing up, and often goes undiagnosed and asymptomatic until they have an X-Ray or another imaging study (CT, MRI) for an unrelated issue like a pneumonia. It's almost invariably an incidental finding. It occurs in particularly large proportions of athletes who frequently undergo/perform extreme back extension, particularly wrestlers and gymnasts. It's really usually only a problem if there's forward displacement of one vertebra over another (spondylolisthesis), which can cause nerve root impingement. But even low-grade (less than 25% displacement) spondylolisthesis is usually asymptomatic. Matuella's arm is a much bigger issue. It's possible he may have some problems with back pain/spasms and he might be more prone to lat injuries like last year if his ROM is restricted, but spondylolysis isn't a "condition" in the sense of something inherently/congenitally problematic. It's almost certainly an old rough housing injury or similar. That said, I'd still much rather see the Sox take Aiken, since TJ is a replacement, not repair surgery. The old ligament is irrelevant, it's been replaced completely with a (more durable) tendon. As a lefty with terrific pitchability and three plus pitches who works 93-95 with his FB and is very young for his class, I think he'd be a great get at 7. They can afford to take a few risks, and this one could have a huge payoff.
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Post by kman22 on Apr 1, 2015 16:20:15 GMT -5
I know it's way too early but are you pining over any of the guys who went in the area of the 7th pick last year? I'm not pining over the 7th pick 2 years ago. I just thought after Fraizer and Stewart went not signing our pick was an interesting theoretical option. I had Shipley as the best available but really I had no issue with the Ball pick and signing. Which would have resulted in Boston having the 8th pick last year. So who would have been the better pick there?
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Post by Guidas on Apr 1, 2015 21:48:14 GMT -5
Pesonally, I would've gone Hoffman or Nola - depending on who the scout said was floor/ceiling on talent. Some times a high floor guy can be worth more than a lottery ticker high ceiling low floor player.
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Post by auger1 on Apr 1, 2015 21:51:52 GMT -5
Gonna throw my hat in ring and say that the Red Sox rumor will be related to Kyle Tucker. We shall see. I am going to agree with this. I can't believe I only recently realized this but I actually went to high school with Kiley McDaniel (Tampa Preparatory School). Tucker goes to HS in the same area, Plant about 5 minutes away from Prep. I think Kiley probably has some really solid sources in the Tampa area that he feels comfortable putting his name on. Just a complete guess and connecting a few disparate dots but I am siding with Pedro here
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Post by mredsox89 on Apr 1, 2015 22:03:13 GMT -5
Having two potential #1 picks coming off TJ surgery will certainly make some draft room discussions interesting for teams in the top 10, that's for sure. Got to wonder which teams are willing to take a chance. I'd say the Sox would/should given how they've been able to use their $ to acquire prospect talent (Moncada/Castillo) and that option is gone now, and potentially gone entirely by the next CBA.
It's turning into a very interesting draft and we are still so far away from it. Hopefully it's the last time for quite some time that the Sox are in the thick of it for the top level talent in the draft, though we said that a few years ago...
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 2, 2015 9:18:41 GMT -5
At this point really "punting" the pick for next year has to at least be in the conversation. An interesting concept, but I'm curious of how they could logistically do this without screwing over the kid who is drafted. I mean if they have someone who agreed to it, but not sure how it would look.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Apr 2, 2015 9:38:45 GMT -5
Michael Lananna @mlananna FWIW: Before Aiken's and Matuella's TJ news, talked to a scout who had UCSB's Dillon Tate as a Top 12-15 pick. Maybe his stock rises.
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Post by jdb on Apr 2, 2015 11:05:20 GMT -5
Regarding punting the pick and not screwing over a kid. I guess a team could draft a two sport guy who's going to play the other one. Someone like Jamis Winston.
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