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2015 Draft Discussion
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 2, 2015 13:07:54 GMT -5
Regarding punting the pick and not screwing over a kid. I guess a team could draft a two sport guy who's going to play the other one. Someone like Jamis Winston. I forgot about this, but to get a comp pick next year, they would have to offer 40% of slot. So they couldn't just draft someone like me and not offer me a contract. But that would be cool. Though, my namesake was actually drafted by the Red Sox a few years ago. Didn't sign though.
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Post by tonyc58 on Apr 2, 2015 13:29:15 GMT -5
Vermontsox, I can vouch for Bickford's personality as my son caught him all last summer. He is a workhorse and very genuine kid with good measurables. I would take him over Beuhler at #7 and not look back. Would be a sound pick by the Sox and no injury issues to deal with moving forward.
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Post by tonyc58 on Apr 2, 2015 15:10:52 GMT -5
Was typing too fast, I meant to say I would take either one with the number 7 pick but there is a big physical difference between the two which may bear out over time.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Apr 2, 2015 18:32:14 GMT -5
Kendall Rogers @kendallrogersd1 .@ucsb_Baseball RHP Dillon Tate as advertised in first. Two K's, K'ed Taylor Ward on 94FB. Sat 93-95, touched 96, filthy 84-85 SL #MLBDraft
Kendall Rogers @kendallrogersd1 Dillon Tate also showed very nice feel for a downward fading 82 mph CH. His physical presence really stands out as well. #MLBDraft
Kendall Rogers @kendallrogersd1 Dillon Tate pretty much in the same situation he is always in — little help, 0-0 B5. Stuff continues to be crisp. Top velo: 96. #mlbdraft
Kendall Rogers @kendallrogersd1 Impressed w/ Dillon Tate's mix of pitches in the sixth. Threw a few 79 mph CBs w/ good depth, late break vs RHH. Complete package #MLBDraft
Kendall Rogers ?@kendallrogersd1 @ucsb_Baseball RHP Dillon Tate insanely good in 8th. Still 93-94 FB, mid-80s SL is devastating. He’s at 87 pitches thru 8. #mlbdraft
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Post by jhenrywaugh, prop. on Apr 3, 2015 11:47:10 GMT -5
Does any site have an updated ranking of top draft prospects? I've been using this from MLB, no idea when it was last updated, certainly a bit dated: mlb.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y2015/#list=draftBA doesn't appear to have an updated list since October. Saw Keith Law say he was going to update his list soon, have not seen it. PGs look current but full list is behind a pay wall.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Apr 3, 2015 13:20:29 GMT -5
Does any site have an updated ranking of top draft prospects? I've been using this from MLB, no idea when it was last updated, certainly a bit dated: mlb.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y2015/#list=draftBA doesn't appear to have an updated list since October. Saw Keith Law say he was going to update his list soon, have not seen it. PGs look current but full list is behind a pay wall. I don't think there have been updates yet. I remember reading that Kiley McDaniel would be putting out an update next week so watch for that. Other than that, it is still super early (just about two months) so my guess is things will begin to ramp up in the next couple weeks.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Apr 3, 2015 15:13:24 GMT -5
This was a couple days ago, but I thought this was interesting from Kiley McDaniel's chat: It is interesting because a) He probably started at 6 for a reason (the Twins) and b) the Red Sox are in this range.
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Post by telson13 on Apr 3, 2015 22:21:33 GMT -5
I'm wondering who the Sox would be able to tap for below-slot at 7 and have it be worth it, since they don't pick again until 81(?). The have tried way-over-slot guys with Boldt and Sheffield, but neither signed (not enough spare $ I guess), and the top talents really get taken pretty quickly unless they have very clear commitments and are pretty much unsignable. Obviously, a guy like Matuella, who has injury concerns beyond TJ surgery and is a jr., doesn't have much leverage, but idk if he's worth the risk of hoping to get someone who's high-ceiling enough at 81 to make it worth it. I also wonder if Aiken, who lost out on $5M last year, would now be amenable to a below-slot deal. As an 18-y/o for most of this season, he still has some leverage as he could always enroll in a 4-yr or even JC at 19 in the fall, and probably be healthy enough to at least get a few innings in prior to next year's draft. It'd be cutting it close for him (13 mo recovery and some games in April/May), but he probably wouldn't have to be perfect, just show his velo is back and he can pitch. I'm still *really* hoping the Sox tap him at 7. Since UCL surgery is replacement and not repair, he's basically no more risky than any other post-TJ pitcher, and he's very young for his class, with outstanding pitchability.
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Post by telson13 on Apr 3, 2015 22:29:14 GMT -5
Kendall Rogers @kendallrogersd1 .@ucsb_Baseball RHP Dillon Tate as advertised in first. Two K's, K'ed Taylor Ward on 94FB. Sat 93-95, touched 96, filthy 84-85 SL #MLBDraft Kendall Rogers @kendallrogersd1 Dillon Tate also showed very nice feel for a downward fading 82 mph CH. His physical presence really stands out as well. #MLBDraft Kendall Rogers @kendallrogersd1 Dillon Tate pretty much in the same situation he is always in — little help, 0-0 B5. Stuff continues to be crisp. Top velo: 96. #mlbdraft Kendall Rogers @kendallrogersd1 Impressed w/ Dillon Tate's mix of pitches in the sixth. Threw a few 79 mph CBs w/ good depth, late break vs RHH. Complete package #MLBDraft Kendall Rogers ?@kendallrogersd1 @ucsb_Baseball RHP Dillon Tate insanely good in 8th. Still 93-94 FB, mid-80s SL is devastating. He’s at 87 pitches thru 8. #mlbdraft As awesome as Tate has looked this spring, I don't think there's any way he makes it to 7, unless something bizarre happens. Texas has $, so even if Swanson and Rogers go in the top 5, and Houston plays it cheap with BOTH picks, he seems unlikely to drop. I do think MN would pass on him if he did, because he's going to want slot or more. He does pretty much everything you could want though...holds velocity, commands his secondaries with great stuff, and is a bulldog. Premier arm in this class. Wonder if Kirby is a below-slot option for the Sox? I still prefer Aiken or Tate, but it remains to be seen. Very fluid draft, prob the most volatile up top that I can recall.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 4, 2015 8:56:53 GMT -5
This was a couple days ago, but I thought this was interesting from Kiley McDaniel's chat: It is interesting because a) He probably started at 6 for a reason (the Twins) and b) the Red Sox are in this range. This was discussed earlier in this thread, fyi, including in response to one of your previous posts. Might be worth doubling back a bit to check that out before we have a redundant conversation about this.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Apr 4, 2015 9:06:02 GMT -5
This was a couple days ago, but I thought this was interesting from Kiley McDaniel's chat: It is interesting because a) He probably started at 6 for a reason (the Twins) and b) the Red Sox are in this range. This was discussed earlier in this thread, fyi, including in response to one of your previous posts. Might be worth doubling back a bit to check that out before we have a redundant conversation about this. Right, and that was in reference to Kiley's tweet that there could be underslot deals at the top of the first round. I thought his answer during the chat was an interesting clarification as he specifically stated the window he was hearing for underslot deals (6-10), which "confirms" it is in the range for where the Sox pick. I'm not trying to stir up old/stale conversation, just trying to bring new details to the forum.
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Post by chavopepe2 on Apr 4, 2015 9:21:36 GMT -5
This was discussed earlier in this thread, fyi, including in response to one of your previous posts. Might be worth doubling back a bit to check that out before we have a redundant conversation about this. Right, and that was in reference to Kiley's tweet that there could be underslot deals at the top of the first round. I thought his answer during the chat was an interesting clarification as he specifically stated the window he was hearing for underslot deals (6-10), which "confirms" it is in the range for where the Sox pick. I'm not trying to stir up old/stale conversation, just trying to bring new details to the forum. Well, I for one appreciate the fact that you've done a great job keeping this thread interesting. Thanks.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Apr 4, 2015 9:43:43 GMT -5
I remember in 2013 there was speculation of deals towards the top of the draft and as a result we all speculated that Stewart or Frazier would fall to us but pretty much the top 6 went 1-6. Doesn't mean anything this time around.
I'm not the biggest fan of the ideal of making a deal and picking a lesser talent (for lack of a better term) at #7 but FWIW the Sox do seem to have a good track record taking talent in the middle to back end of the first round.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 4, 2015 12:05:14 GMT -5
Right, and that was in reference to Kiley's tweet that there could be underslot deals at the top of the first round. I thought his answer during the chat was an interesting clarification as he specifically stated the window he was hearing for underslot deals (6-10), which "confirms" it is in the range for where the Sox pick. I'm not trying to stir up old/stale conversation, just trying to bring new details to the forum. Well, I for one appreciate the fact that you've done a great job keeping this thread interesting. Thanks. Yeah, don't get me wrong, agree with the above. In particular, I remembered seeing that particular quote from McDaniel's chat posted elsewhere in here as well, although I can't seem to find it. That's what I was referring to, but then I also found your prior post.
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Post by boomer on Apr 4, 2015 17:36:53 GMT -5
Funkhouser out pitched Kirby this afternoon in Charlottesville. Things were even until Kirby suffered a big inning highlighted by a wind aided fly ball in the 7th. Funkhouser is bigger and threw a little harder. The game was a pitchers duel until then. Another day could have been different. Scouts see them both a lot more. Either of them will be a quality pick at 7. Maybe somebody better will be there to pick instead. Either will be acceptable to me. Funkhouser was dominating throwing 94 MPH routinely and touching 96 on the Davenport radar. He threw strikes through 7 but tired during the 8th.
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Post by radiohix on Apr 7, 2015 12:32:12 GMT -5
From kiley McDaniel Prospects Chat today:
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Post by ibsmith85 on Apr 7, 2015 12:50:50 GMT -5
Wish the draft was yesterday, the way everything went for the organization yesterday, Dillon Tate would've fallen right in their lap @ #7
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Post by vermontsox1 on Apr 8, 2015 11:12:42 GMT -5
MLB announced the slot value for picks in the 2015 draft Pick(Round) Slot value 7(1) - 3,590,400 81(3) - 742,400 111(4) - 512,700 141(5) - 384,000 171(6) - 287,500 201(7) - 215,500 231(8) - 175,100 261(9) - 163,500 291(10) - 152,700 Total Pool = $6,223,800 www.baseballamerica.com/majors/2015-mlb-draft-slots-values-team/
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Post by jdb on Apr 9, 2015 12:09:05 GMT -5
Law scouted Krby and Funkhouser over the weekend and isn't high at all on Kirby. He said he's more of a back of the first guy to him. espn.go.com/blog/keith-law
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Post by soxfanatic on Apr 9, 2015 12:22:15 GMT -5
@redsoxstats: Heard the Red Sox have been "all over" LSU's Alex Bregman. 2B. 6 K, 19 BB, 7 HR this year. Kind of odd, short, contact swing
FWIW
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Post by pedroelgrande on Apr 9, 2015 12:52:34 GMT -5
I could see that. They have a history with him and is one of the guys I would feel comfortable saying he will be an excellent big leaguer.
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Post by ramireja on Apr 9, 2015 13:10:05 GMT -5
I could see that. They have a history with him and is one of the guys I would feel comfortable saying he will be an excellent big leaguer. Yeah, it might not be the sexiest, or highest upside pick, but I could see it happening too. I generally hate comps, especially to Pedroia, because they generally get acttached to all undersized middle infielders. That said, the BB/K rate and ability to drive the ball do remind me of Pedroia's ASU career.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Apr 9, 2015 13:53:38 GMT -5
d1baseball.com (Aaron Fitt, Kendall Rodgers, and Frankie Piliere) put out their mid-season top 150 college draft prospects. I'm not a subscriber so I don't have access to the full list, but the first seven were free: 1 Dillon Tate RHP UC Santa Barbara 2 Dansby Swanson SS Vanderbilt 3 Alex Bregman SS LSU 4 Kyle Funkhouser RHP Louisville 5 Nathan Kirby LHP Virginia 6 Walker Buehler RHP Vanderbilt 7 Ian Happ OF Cincinnati www.d1baseball.com/the-buzz/midseason-college-top-150-prospects/
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 9, 2015 15:23:50 GMT -5
The one thing I've been reading a lot of is that this draft is kind of "flat", in the sense that, as I remember reading in one piece, there isn't a lot of difference between guys 2 and 12.
Perhaps this is why we're hearing the early deal whispers for picks like 6-10. If you've got 12 guys you'd be fine with in that spot and don't feel all that much differently about, maybe it makes sense to cut a deal with one of them and try and get someone better with more money later on, when there might be a much bigger disparity in talent.
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Post by nomar on Apr 9, 2015 15:51:49 GMT -5
Bregman is no slouch. As good of a bet to hit for a high average as anyone in the draft, plus good instincts, glove and makeup.
If we feel that he can hit around .285 consistently, with his glove at 2B and willingness to take a walk, he's a very valuable player.
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