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Post by mredsox89 on Sept 4, 2014 20:07:47 GMT -5
Nice to see Barnes with another dominant start. One of the few SP's who is pitching better even though he's beyond his single season high in IP
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Post by widewordofsport on Sept 4, 2014 20:09:48 GMT -5
Haley(AA): 6.0, 8:1, 5H 1ER Barnes(AAA): 7.0, 6:0, 3H 0ER Escobar(AAA): 8.2, 7:0, 6H 1ER Johnson(AA): 7.0, 8:1, 6H 2ER Dahlstrand(A+): 7.0, 8:0, 2H 0ER Light(A+): 4.1, 2:2, 4H 3ER
So even with Light's clunker, a 38:4 K:BB ratio for starters in the playoffs. A 1.575 ERA
If you take away Light (just to highlight the good performances) that's 36:2 K:BB ratio, and a WHIP of 0.672, ERA of 1.009
(not responsible for bad math, I did my best)
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Post by widewordofsport on Sept 4, 2014 20:11:59 GMT -5
Gotta say Johnson has been pitching strong well over his previous IP high as well. Haley, Dahlstrand, Diaz, all above their highs too I'd think.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Sept 4, 2014 20:21:31 GMT -5
Said this before. Would love to see the FO go ahead and begin Light's transformation to a reliever now. He'll be 24 next spring, go ahead and do it. 2 pitches with THAT FB should work, he's not cutting it as a SP and that age at high A ball is not right as a SP.
He could develop into one wicked closer with just a change throwing 95-100. Lose the slider.
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Post by mabrowndog on Sept 4, 2014 20:27:03 GMT -5
FWIW, on the same night Cecchini goes 4-for-4, his brother (Gavin) pinch-hit for Binghamton and singled in the b-8th, but was erased on a GIDP.
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Post by widewordofsport on Sept 4, 2014 20:29:31 GMT -5
Does Light's FB have enough movement to miss bats? If he had that good a FB, I'd think that alone would be enough for A-/A ball, and he's never really had much success or the K rates you'd expect from throwing that hard. Someone who knows more than just his baseball reference page feel free to educate me.
1.437 WHIP, 6.3 K/9 career in the minors.
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Post by mabrowndog on Sept 4, 2014 20:30:21 GMT -5
Ely just spoiled the PawSox shutout by walking in a run (3 BB in the frame), and leaves the bases juiced for Celestino to clean up with 2 outs in the t-8th.
Good job, good effort...
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Post by mabrowndog on Sept 4, 2014 20:32:06 GMT -5
Boscan finishes the shutout with 3 scoreless frames, working around a double in the 9th. Outstanding win, and back to Hadlock they go all even.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Sept 4, 2014 20:44:05 GMT -5
That is 5 out of 6 dominating starts for the Sox in the upper minors playoffs thus far.
And can we expect that Rodriguez goes for Portland in the next game?
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Post by widewordofsport on Sept 4, 2014 20:44:20 GMT -5
I swear I tried to google this first:
Is AAA the only level with a league champions playoff (IL vs PCL).
I'll be rooting for Memphis in the PCL if PawSox win, but it would be great if there was a AA championship and Huntsville/Chattanooga would host Portland. Based in TN, I don't get to see many affiliates live.
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 4, 2014 20:46:35 GMT -5
I swear I tried to google this first: Is AAA the only level with a league champions playoff (IL vs PCL). I'll be rooting for Memphis in the PCL if PawSox win, but it would be great if there was a AA championship and Huntsville/Chattanooga would host Portland. Based in TN, I don't get to see many affiliates live. I believe they are. Every other level has more than two leagues. The PCL vs. IL game was only introduced after the American Association folded into the other two Triple-A leagues.
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Post by widewordofsport on Sept 4, 2014 20:48:05 GMT -5
Well, then I'll root for Memphis and fiscal instability in the Texas League.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 4, 2014 20:50:14 GMT -5
Does Light's FB have enough movement to miss bats? If he had that good a FB, I'd think that alone would be enough for A-/A ball, and he's never really had much success or the K rates you'd expect from throwing that hard. Someone who knows more than just his baseball reference page feel free to educate me. 1.437 WHIP, 6.3 K/9 career in the minors. If he was a reliever, he'd need to throw his change more often, most of the swing and misses were off the changeup. The other hand though is that he changes speed well, goes up and down at will and puts it over the plate. Movement is difficult to tell on the TV centerfield camera view so I wouldn't want to speculate except that it's not a lot of movement. The batters were generally waiting for it and didn't get a lot of solid contact, mostly due to the speed change but there were some decently hit balls. On other comment is that he fills the strike zone, doesn't constantly pitch to the same locations with either his FB or CU. I didn't see all of his pitches but he didn't throw many pitches that weren't fastballs.
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Post by mabrowndog on Sept 4, 2014 20:51:43 GMT -5
Owens will be on the hill for the PawSox clincher in Syracuse.
Giddyup.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 4, 2014 20:59:28 GMT -5
All three Salem playoff games will be at Myrtle Beach. Tied 1-1, all the marbles will be on the table tomorrow.
Final Scores PawSox won 8-2 have a 2-0 lead. Portland won 7-0 are tied 1-1 Salem lost 4-1 are tied 1-1.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Sept 4, 2014 21:22:44 GMT -5
At least Barnes has command of his fastball and some MPH. That makes him a better prospect than virtually every other prospect starter we have short of RDLR and Owens. Give the guy some time to develop better off speed stuff. Even just a good cutter could make a huge difference.
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Post by dcsoxfan on Sept 4, 2014 21:41:24 GMT -5
Two thoughts/questions:
1) Am I the only one who thinks Justin Haley is becoming increasingly interesting?
2) In Keury de la Cruz, I see an interesting platoon bat. Such creatures have value. Am I overestimating?
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Post by larrycook on Sept 4, 2014 21:46:22 GMT -5
Two thoughts/questions: 1) Am I the only one who thinks Justin Haley is becoming increasingly interesting? 2) In Keury de la Cruz, I see an interesting platoon bat. Such creatures have value. Am I overestimating? I think Haley has become a prospect. He is spinning the ball really well.
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Post by sarasoxer on Sept 4, 2014 21:55:11 GMT -5
Two thoughts/questions: 1) Am I the only one who thinks Justin Haley is becoming increasingly interesting? 2) In Keury de la Cruz, I see an interesting platoon bat. Such creatures have value. Am I overestimating? I think Haley has become a prospect. He is spinning the ball really well. I see Haley in the Workman mode.
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Post by soxfan1615 on Sept 4, 2014 21:57:36 GMT -5
At least Barnes has command of his fastball and some MPH. That makes him a better prospect than virtually every other prospect starter we have short of RDLR and Owens. Give the guy some time to develop better off speed stuff. Even just a good cutter could make a huge difference. Eduardo Rodriguez should be above Barnes too, but agree otherwise
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Post by widewordofsport on Sept 4, 2014 22:05:54 GMT -5
I think Haley has become a prospect. He is spinning the ball really well. I see Haley in the Workman mode. Workman was an important reliever in the playoffs on a WS winning team. If any of Diaz/Haley/Couch/Dahlstrand(?) get to that point, I'd take it.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Sept 4, 2014 22:57:04 GMT -5
See more use/value in protecting him on the 40 man roster this winter than several others have seen bandied about of late. He could be of use as a possible long guy by end of next season even. Also, could be moved quickly after the season if they have decided who will be protected and are fairly certain he won't make it past the draft.
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 4, 2014 23:02:50 GMT -5
Haley is not Rule 5 eligible until after the 2015 season.
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Post by dcsoxfan on Sept 4, 2014 23:08:25 GMT -5
I find Haley's increased strikeout rate combined with his his high groundball rate intriguing.
Major sleeper?
Albeit SSS at this point
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 4, 2014 23:55:23 GMT -5
To me, there are two arms at Portland that I'd put in the "interesting" category. Both too soon to attach a ceiling to but both have #3 ceiling "potential" for a year from now.
Haley 23. I've really only watched him once so I don't have a solid frame of reference but have studied his outings and what I see in the game logs pretty much coincides with what I saw with a bit of speculation added. Take those caveats into consideration here. He's a sinkerballer who's GB and K/BB rates says he got command of it. It's not a high velocity sinker like Webster but it does have good movement and location. On the other side of the picture is that he also yield a lot of line drives and the few hits off him are generally linedrives. That would seem to imply that he periodically either doesn't get the sink or doesn't get the location he's looking for. He's young, you can expect that to improve but it likely is already a borderline plus pitch. His best secondary is his slider. That looks to me like it could be major league average. The pitch that needs the most work is his change, it has a ways to go before it would be considered major league average.
Diaz,22. I've followed Diaz a lot so I'm more familiar. First, right now is not the time to evaluate him, he's exceeded his innings substantially and is showing all the fatigue symptoms. Diaz is a four pitch pitcher with his this order of pitch development FB, CU, SL, CV. His FB should be considered plus now. Him or Rodriguez are the fastest starters in Portland with maybe only Barnes with a faster average velocity at Pawtucket. It also has decent movement which allows him to throw it upstairs or down. At this point, he's commanding it well. He's sitting 92-94 and touches 95 often and he can hold that velocity past 100 pitches. His second best offering is the change, it has decent drop and he has decent command of it. It's probably major league average now but has borderline plus potential. His slider can show sharp break so it can be a weapon but he's inconsistent with it and it can be slurvy or is slurvy most of the time. His curve is a work in progress but it doesn't appear to be a sharp break curve, more of a roundhouse curve.
Next year should be the 'tell' year for both, both are young, both have mid rotation potential and both have steps they will need to take to get there.
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