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Post by johnsilver52 on Sept 11, 2014 21:39:06 GMT -5
Hedley was also hit in the mouth with a Jake McGee fastball. He did get up off the ground, though it took a long time. Bad news day getting hit in the face. Was going to do a recap of the entire fiasco that happened after Stanton got hit, but not sure it would be believed guys.. The marlins went into protest mode. Reed Johnson came into hit for Stanton.. He was hit next pitch on a "swinging strike" it was called, though it was clearly not a swing and catcher didn't even catch, ball went to the back stop.. Johnson was called out. McGee cam storming out of dugout, instant ejection and out 3. Marlins refused to take the field.. It was hilarious. Now Disclafini hits Gomez after warnings issued (tiny arm scrape on elbow) and home plate ump Jeff Kellogg, who allowed all these problems to get like this gives him the heave ho. Tommy Hutton may have to leave the boothe and start collecting his SS check. He's going to blow a gasket.
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Post by redsox4242 on Sept 11, 2014 22:02:25 GMT -5
Tommy Layne looks like our Lefty specialist next season. If we can sign Andrew Miller, Our bullpen will be one of the strengths of this team next season.
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Post by Guidas on Sept 11, 2014 22:02:25 GMT -5
At this point I've seen enough of Cepedes to believe my initial assement of him was correct: big power, poor OBP, so-so defense and an above average arm. He's not worth 4 year at $20M per unless you believe 22-27 HRs is worth a .300 OBP at the position for that money. I think you can do .030-.060 better on-basewise and still get 18-20 or so HRs at 60% of the price or much less with a platoon (Nava + Brentz? or Craig on his own if you think he bounces back) and roughly equal D.
Lotta potential in Cespedes, but with him enterimg the second half of his career I'm not a fan and think the money can be better spent and he can be traded to a GM who thinks he is what he was his rookie year for a nice haul, or as part of a larger package to a team that thinks he's a major missing piece for a one year run.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Sept 11, 2014 22:04:16 GMT -5
yea, on the 3rd strike, 3rd out, catcher must throw to first ... but if it hits the batter does that make the play dead even on a strike?
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Post by redsox4242 on Sept 11, 2014 22:05:37 GMT -5
At this point I've seen enough of Cepedes to believe my initial assement of him was correct: big power, poor OBP, so-so defense and an above average arm. He's not worth 4 year at $20M per unless you believe 22-27 HRs is worth a .300 OBP at the position for that money. I think you can do .030-.060 better on-basewise and still get 18-20 or so HRs at 60% of the price or much less with a platoon (Nava + Brentz? or Craig on his own if you think he bounces back) and roughly equal D. Lotta potential in Cespedes, but with him enterimg the second half of his career I'm not a fan and think the money can be better spent and he can be traded to a GM who thinks he is what he was his rookie year for a nice haul, or as part of a larger package to a team that thinks he's a major missing piece for a one year run. I agree with this. However, if we think that Cespedes isnt apart of the future plans here then we should of got some prospects in return for Lester. I think if Cespedes can hit 25-30 and drive in almost 100 RBIS. you pay him, he played in some tough ballparks and hit for decent power. Hitting in friendly AL East stadiums, especially at our beloved Fenway Park I like his upside.
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Post by mgoetze on Sept 11, 2014 22:07:44 GMT -5
Steelers getting demolished.
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Post by kman22 on Sept 11, 2014 22:08:54 GMT -5
yea, on the 3rd strike, 3rd out, catcher must throw to first ... but if it hits the batter does that make the play dead even on a strike? If the batter gets hit while swinging, I thought the play was dead and it was a strike.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Sept 11, 2014 22:11:01 GMT -5
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Post by redsox4242 on Sept 11, 2014 22:22:25 GMT -5
Steelers getting demolished. Todd Haley is an awful Offensive Coordinator.
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Post by redsox4242 on Sept 11, 2014 22:30:12 GMT -5
Run Cespedes, Run!!
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Post by redsox4242 on Sept 11, 2014 22:39:52 GMT -5
SOX WIN!
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 11, 2014 23:26:45 GMT -5
Ian Browne ?@ianmbrowne 2h Betts will get full-time duty for Sox at second atmlb.com/WQ2JOz
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Post by johnsilver52 on Sept 11, 2014 23:37:01 GMT -5
Ian Browne ?@ianmbrowne 2h Betts will get full-time duty for Sox at second atmlb.com/WQ2JOzJust about the same time Rusney will report to the MLB club also. Was wondering whether or not they would just move betts to RF to finish out the season. Now the decision has been made. Might have been better long term if they did throw him in RF for a few games and see how well his arm did there with some longer throws before putting him at second to finish the season.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 12, 2014 0:48:42 GMT -5
Ian Browne ?@ianmbrowne 2h Betts will get full-time duty for Sox at second atmlb.com/WQ2JOzJust about the same time Rusney will report to the MLB club also. Was wondering whether or not they would just move betts to RF to finish out the season. Now the decision has been made. Might have been better long term if they did throw him in RF for a few games and see how well his arm did there with some longer throws before putting him at second to finish the season. The other hand says Pedroia is an unknown for at least the start of 2015.
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Post by larrycook on Sept 12, 2014 6:31:43 GMT -5
Sox were 3 for 11 with RISP in the win. First time is a while that they had 3 hits with RISP in one game.
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Post by jmei on Sept 12, 2014 8:16:23 GMT -5
Just about the same time Rusney will report to the MLB club also. Was wondering whether or not they would just move betts to RF to finish out the season. Now the decision has been made. Might have been better long term if they did throw him in RF for a few games and see how well his arm did there with some longer throws before putting him at second to finish the season. The other hand says Pedroia is an unknown for at least the start of 2015. I don't think this is a concern. By all accounts, this was a very minor procedure, and Pedroia is expected to have a full, healthy offseason, with no chance of any lingering effects going into ST 2015. I think it's just about finding playing time for everyone who needs it.
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Post by sarasoxer on Sept 12, 2014 8:16:51 GMT -5
Tommy Layne looks like our Lefty specialist next season. If we can sign Andrew Miller, Our bullpen will be one of the strengths of this team next season. We need Miller and at least one other flame thrower....Layne's minor league stats aren't that good but in 40 plus major league innings he has been much better. SSS? Badenhop is somewhat amazing in that he gives up a lot of hits, is not a strikeout pitcher but yet has maintained a low ERA. I keep waiting for that shoe to fall. Miller will cost...maybe $14M/year?
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Post by mattpicard on Sept 12, 2014 8:27:14 GMT -5
Tommy Layne looks like our Lefty specialist next season. If we can sign Andrew Miller, Our bullpen will be one of the strengths of this team next season. Miller will cost...maybe $14M/year? The only relievers who have ever been paid $14+ million AAV are Mariano Rivera and Rafael Soriano. Maybe a team hands Miller ~$33-36 million over 3 years to close, but that's a ton of money to pay a non-closer reliever. I'd hesitantly offer $27M/3yrs.
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Post by jmei on Sept 12, 2014 8:37:06 GMT -5
Tommy Layne looks like our Lefty specialist next season. If we can sign Andrew Miller, Our bullpen will be one of the strengths of this team next season. We need Miller and at least one other flame thrower....Layne's minor league stats aren't that good but in 40 plus major league innings he has been much better. SSS? Badenhop is somewhat amazing in that he gives up a lot of hits, is not a strikeout pitcher but yet has maintained a low ERA. I keep waiting for that shoe to fall. Miller will cost...maybe $14M/year? Badenhop has success because he's one of the most extreme ground-ball pitchers in the league and so doesn't give up many home runs/extra-base hits and gets tons of double-plays ( he leads the league in double-plays amongst relievers). His WHIP of 1.29 is not even that bad-- it's about league-average for a reliever. He's a good enough 6th/7th-inning guy. There's no chance Miller gets close to $14m per. Only two relievers have ever gotten $14m+ per year (Mariano Rivera and Rafael Soriano), and no non-closer has ever gotten even $10m per year. Looking at the list of recent left-handed relief pitcher signings, there's never been a deal where a left-handed reliever has gotten as much as $20m guaranteed (Jeremy Affedlt got 3/$18m in 2013). Now, Miller is probably the best left-handed reliever who has been on the market in recent history, and he also happens to be great versus righties, young, relatively healthy, and a potential closer candidate, so he'll almost certainly blow past Affeldt. Still, I'd guess that Miller's price range will be closer to a three/four-year deal in the $8m AAV range than an eight-figure AAV.
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Post by sarasoxer on Sept 12, 2014 10:14:10 GMT -5
We need Miller and at least one other flame thrower....Layne's minor league stats aren't that good but in 40 plus major league innings he has been much better. SSS? Badenhop is somewhat amazing in that he gives up a lot of hits, is not a strikeout pitcher but yet has maintained a low ERA. I keep waiting for that shoe to fall. Miller will cost...maybe $14M/year? Badenhop has success because he's one of the most extreme ground-ball pitchers in the league and so doesn't give up many home runs/extra-base hits and gets tons of double-plays ( he leads the league in double-plays amongst relievers). His WHIP of 1.29 is not even that bad-- it's about league-average for a reliever. He's a good enough 6th/7th-inning guy. There's no chance Miller gets close to $14m per. Only two relievers have ever gotten $14m+ per year (Mariano Rivera and Rafael Soriano), and no non-closer has ever gotten even $10m per year. Looking at the list of recent left-handed relief pitcher signings, there's never been a deal where a left-handed reliever has gotten as much as $20m guaranteed (Jeremy Affedlt got 3/$18m in 2013). Now, Miller is probably the best left-handed reliever who has been on the market in recent history, and he also happens to be great versus righties, young, relatively healthy, and a potential closer candidate, so he'll almost certainly blow past Affeldt. Still, I'd guess that Miller's price range will be closer to a three/four-year deal in the $8m AAV range than an eight-figure AAV. I'll take that bet in today's inflated market. Upon reflection I agree that $14/yr is too much...but I still envision him $10M plus. As you note, he is effective vs right and left-handed batters. He is in the handful of LHs who are tall, have power stuff and good command. He is still young and does not appear to be one of those ephemeral pen guys who are good one year and bad the next. Thanks for the back-up info on Badenhop....One part of his high double-play score though is that he puts a lot of guys on base. I think that you noted in a prior post that team RISP performance is not so important provided the team OBP is high...as the end result will be more runs scored. The same should hold true for pitchers....even the ground ball types. A 1.29 WHIP is a little high for me.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Sept 12, 2014 10:35:08 GMT -5
Ah, but a few things can further skew the issue, sarasoxer.
Not all WHIP's are created equal. A pitcher who gives up a lot of ground ball singles due to BABIP and is good at keeping the ball in the park is potentially less likely to get hurt from the baserunners he allows than a pitcher more prone to giving up the bigger, more damaging hit. Also, some WH's are removed by double plays (as well as pickoffs/caught stealings). Perhaps a better statistic for measuring a pitcher's effectiveness is "Net WHIP," which is the usual WHIP minus baserunners later eliminated. And even that understates the value of eliminating a runner, because eliminating him reduces the pitcher's exposure to additional batters. The pitcher who can retire a batter or do something else to eliminate a runner has to face one less additional batter than the pitcher that can't.
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Post by mgoetze on Sept 12, 2014 10:58:41 GMT -5
Perhaps a better statistic for measuring a pitcher's effectiveness is "Net WHIP," Perhaps an even better statistic for measuring a pitcher's effectiveness is "SIERA".
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Post by jmei on Sept 12, 2014 11:26:42 GMT -5
I'm not saying that Badenhop is an elite reliever or anything (he's merely an above-average lower leverage guy), but his ground-ball skill is extremely useful for those first-and-third, one out situations (one of the reasons he has so many GIDPs is because he gets used a lot in those types of situations). I wouldn't mind seeing him re-signed for 2/$6m or something.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Sept 12, 2014 13:53:05 GMT -5
John Sterling is thrilled to be in the middle of the playoff race ... the bottom could fall out today, or maybe not.
Of the teams NYY are chasing, only SEA has a tough schedule remaining. Which is the reason why the NYY POFF% projected is much lower than the coin flip POFF% method.
UPDATE: Suzyn Waldman is deflated after the game 1 tragedy. She said 5 times that she is doing her best to "hit the reset button." Sterling says it was "the worst loss of the year."
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Post by johnsilver52 on Sept 12, 2014 19:38:50 GMT -5
The other hand says Pedroia is an unknown for at least the start of 2015. I don't think this is a concern. By all accounts, this was a very minor procedure, and Pedroia is expected to have a full, healthy offseason, with no chance of any lingering effects going into ST 2015. I think it's just about finding playing time for everyone who needs it. In with this thinking also. He's also had surgery on this hand before coming into the spring and shown no ill effects other than no power coming into the following season. Seems to me that more can be gained by the team letting Betts having the opportunity to show the team how much max arm strength he has in RF and if he is capable of playing that position, which probably wouldn't take more than another week to 2 week period and then they could return him to finish the season at second, where he hasn't had any issues we know of at any level during his MiLB career. This would also allow the team to get a longer look at Weeks if they decide to keep him on the 40 man roster over some of the possible players withing the organization whom they may have had some thoughts of protecting.
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