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Post by stevedillard on Nov 18, 2014 13:20:51 GMT -5
Anyone know Crasnick's sources? I see he has an east coast background but I have not ever seen him have inside info from the Sox. If I were to guess his connection is from teh Sandoval camp, and I wonder whether they are pushing this to get SF to come up with best offer.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Nov 18, 2014 13:23:28 GMT -5
With Martin getting 5 years and $82 mil, wouldn't the Panda be significantly higher than that?
Cechinni or Betts looks better every day to me at 3rd.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 18, 2014 13:24:09 GMT -5
Not necessarily, you can easily make an argument that Martin is more valuable than Panda.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Nov 18, 2014 13:24:17 GMT -5
Anyone know Crasnick's sources? I see he has an east coast background but I have not ever seen him have inside info from the Sox. If I were to guess his connection is from teh Sandoval camp, and I wonder whether they are pushing this to get SF to come up with best offer. Wouldn't be shocked if it was from within the Sox. Yesterday saw the fans two favorite trade targets taken away, the Blue Jays make a signing, news that the Yanks might be in on Scherzer, and then news that Lester is setting up a visit with Atlanta.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Nov 18, 2014 13:37:47 GMT -5
Its time to freakout.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Nov 18, 2014 13:38:33 GMT -5
Agreed, let's hope that San Fran can match that. You have to think they could
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 18, 2014 13:40:53 GMT -5
Why? I would take that deal in a heartbeat. The 3B market is going to be crap the next few years
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Post by pedroelgrande on Nov 18, 2014 13:47:15 GMT -5
You guys didn't understand what I meant by that....
I meant its time freakout because the Blue Jays made a signing, the Yankees want Scherzer and Lester is viting the Braves.... as a joke.
Moving along.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Nov 18, 2014 13:50:18 GMT -5
You guys didn't understand what I meant by that.... I meant its time freakout because the Blue Jays made a signing, the Yankees want Scherzer and Lester is viting the Braves.... as a joke. Moving along. Yeah, I did misconstrue that. I guess I do have to agree with the scarcity of thirdbasemen. Looks like its not until 2018 that there are any real options.
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Post by mredsox89 on Nov 18, 2014 13:53:14 GMT -5
If they get him for 5 years, even at close to 20, I can be convinced it's at least a good move. If he has to move to 1B or DH in the final two years, so be it. They have so little money committed, they can manage it
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Post by dmaineah on Nov 18, 2014 13:54:30 GMT -5
Does anybody think trading for Trevor Plouffe 29yrs old in June 1st-Year Arb Eligible or Alexei Ramirez 33yrs old $10M in 2015 with a $10M Team Option, $1M Buyout to play 3B make any sense?
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Post by soxfan06 on Nov 18, 2014 14:35:53 GMT -5
I've been fully 100% against Sandoval.
But at that price? Sure thing. I'd prefer Hanley at that price, but if he is gonna get 6/100+ give me Sandoval at 5/90.
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Post by danr on Nov 18, 2014 14:45:40 GMT -5
Plouffe may just have had his career year. Steamer doesn't see him repeating next year. Their projection of his WAR is 1.4, compared to his 3.5 this past season. The other projections, wOBA amd wRC+ are just about average. If they are wrong and he is able to maintain his 2014 performance then he might be interesting if his fielding is decent. I don't know enough about him to make any predictions. I didn't look at his fielding.
Ramirez is a SS, who, apparently, has never played 3B. He is average, or slightly below average, is virtually all categories. Nothing to get excited about.
Sandoval at 5/90 is a buy. Somebody is going to top that.
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Post by youngbillrussell on Nov 18, 2014 14:50:08 GMT -5
I hope a deal can get done today and fire up the Hot stove,
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Post by jhenrywaugh, prop. on Nov 18, 2014 15:55:48 GMT -5
Jerry Crasnick ?@jcrasnick 15s16 seconds ago Indications are things could come together quickly with Sandoval and the #redsox are a very serious player. Can't say I'm thrilled, but at least its not in the 20/yr range... yet I wouldn't be surprised if it reaches that level after one team outbids the other.
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Post by danr on Nov 18, 2014 16:09:21 GMT -5
Operating on the theory and practice of trying to have every position filled by players of at least average, or slightly better, performance, filling 3B with Sandoval, or Headley, or Hanley would be a huge improvement. Each of them almost certainly would produce above average offensive results.
Assuming that Bogaerts hits like he did at the end of the season, the only likely low BA in the lineup would be Vazquez, and that isn't a sure thing. I think he might hit around .250, which would be all he would need to do. The Sox lineup then would be vastly improved over this year's.
The value of filling that black hole at 3B is greater than the sum of its parts. In other words, an "overpay" is justified.
Then, they just have to get some pitchers, some really good pitchers.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Nov 18, 2014 16:44:44 GMT -5
I sure hope those rumors of the Red Sox signing Sandoval are just that...he is DH, can't maintain a decent playing weight, has little to no power and shows declining OPS over each of the last four years... unlike a fine wine, he is not going to age well... I would much rather spend the big bucks on Lester and sign Headley for about half the cost of Sandoval.
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Post by soxfan0707 on Nov 18, 2014 17:03:18 GMT -5
I really don't see the love in headley. We need to improve our lineup and headley hasn't hit above .300 in his career and has only hit more than 15 home runs once. Sandoval might be out of shape but he has proven to be a good fielder and is a proven hitter who has consistently performed in the postseason. I know Sandoval will be more money but he will help the team in a position of need.
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 18, 2014 17:05:18 GMT -5
With Martin getting 5 years and $82 mil, wouldn't the Panda be significantly higher than that? Cechinni or Betts looks better every day to me at 3rd. Can you please explain why you think Panda is so much better than he is? He has 3 straight years of hitting 118, 116 and 111 wRC+, with 2.6, 2.3, and 3.0 fWAR. Daniel Nava had 2.6 fWAR last year playing 113 games.
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 18, 2014 17:08:44 GMT -5
I really don't see the love in headley. We need to improve our lineup and headley hasn't hit above .300 in his career and has only hit more than 15 home runs once. Sandoval might be out of shape but he has proven to be a good fielder and is a proven hitter who has consistently performed in the postseason. I know Sandoval will be more money but he will help the team in a position of need. Headley in last 3 years fWAR - 7.2, 3.6, 4.4 Sandoval -2.6, 2.3, 3.0 I don't even know why Sandoval would get more money than Headley to be honest.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Nov 18, 2014 17:42:52 GMT -5
Anyone know Crasnick's sources? I see he has an east coast background but I have not ever seen him have inside info from the Sox. If I were to guess his connection is from teh Sandoval camp, and I wonder whether they are pushing this to get SF to come up with best offer. Wouldn't be shocked if it was from within the Sox. Yesterday saw the fans two favorite trade targets taken away, the Blue Jays make a signing, news that the Yanks might be in on Scherzer, and then news that Lester is setting up a visit with Atlanta. Those are your favorite trade targets. I don't care at all about Martin - sorry - and Heyward was not a player the Sox could acquire. The team doesn't have what Atlanta is looking for.
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Post by charliezink16 on Nov 18, 2014 17:48:39 GMT -5
I really don't see the love in headley. We need to improve our lineup and headley hasn't hit above .300 in his career and has only hit more than 15 home runs once. Sandoval might be out of shape but he has proven to be a good fielder and is a proven hitter who has consistently performed in the postseason. I know Sandoval will be more money but he will help the team in a position of need. Gets on base, is coming off a down year, provides gold glove defense at 3B, would command 1-2 less years and probably over $5 mil less AAV.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Nov 18, 2014 17:49:36 GMT -5
Wouldn't be shocked if it was from within the Sox. Yesterday saw the fans two favorite trade targets taken away, the Blue Jays make a signing, news that the Yanks might be in on Scherzer, and then news that Lester is setting up a visit with Atlanta. Those are your favorite trade targets. I don't care at all about Martin - sorry - and Heyward was not a player the Sox could acquire. The team doesn't have what Atlanta is looking for. I think its very fair to say that Stanton and Heyward were the two players with the most buzz with the Red Sox name attached. I think that has been true for a couple years now for J-Hey and damn near a decade for Stanton. I also think its fair to say that this organization makes decisions based on whats going on around them in the division.
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Post by danr on Nov 18, 2014 19:07:29 GMT -5
Just because Sandoval carries more weight than he probably should does not mean he is out of shape. Every scouting report I have read on him points out how agile he is in the field, with quick reactions and a strong arm.
Heavy people can be in shape. I know. I am both, although not as heavy by any means as Sandoval, but then not nearly as quick.
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Post by soxfan0707 on Nov 18, 2014 19:18:10 GMT -5
If available for the same amount of money, Sandoval or Ramirez who do we want?
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