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Post by James Dunne on Oct 3, 2014 19:36:28 GMT -5
I've been thinking about this a bit today and I think I'd vote for Clayton Kershaw for the Hall of Fame if he never did another thing in his career. He needs three more seasons to be eligible but that's about it.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 3, 2014 20:03:27 GMT -5
Gotta like the Cardinals odds here, 4 runs down but Kershaw has already given up 2 hits, he's got nothin'.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 3, 2014 20:27:45 GMT -5
Gotta like the Cardinals odds here, 4 runs down but Kershaw has already given up 2 hits, he's got nothin'. I was only kidding but what an AB by Carpenter. I'm a baseball genius. |
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Post by lonborgski on Oct 3, 2014 20:33:54 GMT -5
If we're getting Darvish, we might as well get Carpenter too.
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Post by wcp3 on Oct 3, 2014 20:36:51 GMT -5
Kershaw=fraud
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Oct 3, 2014 20:43:02 GMT -5
Some how I think Joba's 2014 ALDS ERA went up over 200 after the Cardinals tattooed Kershaw in the top of the 7th.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Oct 3, 2014 20:47:01 GMT -5
Every bit of that is on Mattingly. He should have pulled Kershaw at least 3 batters before Carpenter ever came up to bat. |
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Oct 3, 2014 20:48:36 GMT -5
How about Kershaw and Ellis changing signs. The Cardinals hitters were sitting dead red all that inning.
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Post by jdb on Oct 3, 2014 20:49:32 GMT -5
Lol. Kershaw just went Detroit bullpen.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Oct 3, 2014 20:55:32 GMT -5
Lol. Kershaw just went Detroit bullpen. I thought Cabrera was going to choke out either Joba or Sotia when they panned into the Tigera dugout after their daily playoff meltdown today. Who could blame him if he did? |
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 3, 2014 21:50:46 GMT -5
Every bit of that is on Mattingly. He should have pulled Kershaw at least 3 batters before Carpenter ever came up to bat. Yeah, what in the holy hell was that? My Dodgers-fan buddy has been telling me just how bad Mattingly is but I couldn't believe it. He said he cost them 10 wins. |
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Post by jmei on Oct 3, 2014 22:13:13 GMT -5
To be fair, the Dodgers bullpen sucks and Kershaw is the best pitcher on the planet. I might have left him in, too.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Oct 3, 2014 23:17:34 GMT -5
That double play was awesome.
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 4, 2014 0:18:51 GMT -5
YOSTMEISTER!
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 4, 2014 0:34:53 GMT -5
You see, this Kansas City run, regardless of how it turns out, is the embodiment of what I think about managers in baseball. They just don't matter all that much. There is not a great deal of strategy when you stop overthinking about it, since mostly the post-season is about a chaotic string of completely random events. As a big action movies fan, I'll take Tim Hudson side and yeah it is about maleness. Just be an alpha. Ned Yost is dumb as door, but he's an alpha door. Just watching him scratch his nose after making questionable decision after questionable decision makes me want to chest bump something. But it works and it will always work because they don't let up, they don't give up and they won't back down.
If you disagree, refer to this post after Bob Melvin or Joe Maddon win a World Series (that's right - NEVER).
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 4, 2014 0:48:56 GMT -5
Josh Norris ?@jnorris427 15m15 minutes ago
The teams with the Nos. 15 and 19 payrolls in baseball are a win each away from knocking out the teams with the Nos. 5 and 6 payrolls.
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Post by iakovos11 on Oct 4, 2014 7:31:00 GMT -5
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Post by GyIantosca on Oct 4, 2014 9:13:55 GMT -5
You got to love some of this playoffs action. I am loving the Royals.
A couple of notes how does Pittsburgh feel ? I wonder if they made the Lester deal how they would fair right now. Too bad the fans deserve more. At least the GM kept his prospects maybe next year. Lol.
I am surprised about the Tigers starters. I wonder if this hurts there free agent price. Lester is more established in the post season. The Angels have there hands full. That game the Royals vs the A's was fun. Imagine if the Tigers and Angels get knocked out? In the NL I want someone different but it seems like the the Cards always step up and they don't have to worry about us this year.
Going back to Pittsburgh. They have a good nucleus at this point. They don't need to stockpile prospects .they need to convert these assets to fortify the team to take the next step. They can't throw money around so the next step is trading. I feel they may need a more bolder GM . If I owned the Pirates I would interview some Red Sox FO people. Even some Cardinal people. We will see what they do this offseason. There time is now and they don't have the horses for playoff baseball. The central division is open. That is my opinion.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Oct 4, 2014 11:06:13 GMT -5
You see, this Kansas City run, regardless of how it turns out, is the embodiment of what I think about managers in baseball. They just don't matter all that much. There is not a great deal of strategy when you stop overthinking about it, since mostly the post-season is about a chaotic string of completely random events. As a big action movies fan, I'll take Tim Hudson side and yeah it is about maleness. Just be an alpha. Ned Yost is dumb as door, but he's an alpha door. Just watching him scratch his nose after making questionable decision after questionable decision makes me want to chest bump something. But it works and it will always work because they don't let up, they don't give up and they won't back down. If you disagree, refer to this post after Bob Melvin or Joe Maddon win a World Series (that's right - NEVER).Casey Stengel, Earl Weaver, Davey Johnson, Terry Francona... and oh yeah, look at the Orioles roster and tell me Buck Showalter doesn't know what he's doing. And this "alpha" stuff? Really? That's basically how all the worst decisions in the history of the human race have been made. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 4, 2014 12:10:02 GMT -5
Casey Stengel, Earl Weaver, Davey Johnson, Terry Francona... and oh yeah, look at the Orioles roster and tell me Buck Showalter doesn't know what he's doing. And this "alpha" stuff? Really? That's basically how all the worst decisions in the history of the human race have been made. Well, clearly I wasn't kidding (except on Melvin and Maddon, they're not winning anything). Since you insist, it's worth noting that in the 20 years since the term sabermetrics was coined, not a single SABR-oriented manager won the World Series (do not try to sell Francona as one, he wasn't). |
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Oct 4, 2014 14:24:21 GMT -5
Casey Stengel, Earl Weaver, Davey Johnson, Terry Francona... and oh yeah, look at the Orioles roster and tell me Buck Showalter doesn't know what he's doing. And this "alpha" stuff? Really? That's basically how all the worst decisions in the history of the human race have been made. Well, clearly I wasn't kidding (except on Melvin and Maddon, they're not winning anything). Since you insist, it's worth noting that in the 20 years since the term sabermetrics was coined, not a single SABR-oriented manager won the World Series (do not try to sell Francona as one, he wasn't). Ok, who was? How many other managers in the last 20 years can you name that you would consider "sabermetric"? |
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 4, 2014 15:01:31 GMT -5
Ok, who was? How many other managers in the last 20 years can you name that you would consider "sabermetric"? Not many and those haven't won anything. Which reinforces my original point that managers decisions may have an influence in a long season, but in a vacuum, in a short post-season run they just don't matter. Last season, Farrell got a lot of criticism around here and pretty much all over the internet for his decision making (in the WS, mind you). But he got his team giving everything they had and they won it all. Not because of him, not in spite of him, but with him. My point being that it's sort of cute being an armchair QB and making fun of a senile dude like Ned Yost or even Bruce Bochy, but managers in baseball, because it's not a sport with an as heavy strategy focus as basically all the others, shouldn't be looked at as if an objective performance gauge is possible (unless in extreme cases, such as Dusty Baker screwing his pitchers arms, Kirk Gibson head hunting dudes, Bobby Valentine flat out losing his team). |
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Oct 4, 2014 17:22:35 GMT -5
Ok, who was? How many other managers in the last 20 years can you name that you would consider "sabermetric"? Not many and those haven't won anything. Which reinforces my original point that managers decisions may have an influence in a long season, but in a vacuum, in a short post-season run they just don't matter.  If anything mangers matter more in a short series. So many of them don't understand the difference between managing for 162 and managing for 1. That's probably the reason the Rangers never won a WS under Washington. I also think that classifying two managers as "sabermetric" managers and all others as not sabermetric is, uhhh... flawed. Are Francona and Farrell "sabermetric" managers? I don't know. I do know that they're both guys who'll use their closer before the 9th in a playoff game. Is Ned Yost going to do that? |
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Post by dcsoxfan on Oct 4, 2014 17:47:47 GMT -5
Josh Norris ?@jnorris427 15m15 minutes ago The teams with the Nos. 15 and 19 payrolls in baseball are a win each away from knocking out the teams with the Nos. 5 and 6 payrolls. That says as much about the value of high draft picks and having the flexibility to trade veterans for prospects as it does about the skills of the two FO's. Between the luxury tax, the rising cost of free agents, and the (shameful) manipulation of service time by some teams, it has become increasingly difficult for teams, no matter how well run to sustain excellence. |
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Oct 4, 2014 17:57:37 GMT -5
Josh Norris ?@jnorris427 15m15 minutes ago The teams with the Nos. 15 and 19 payrolls in baseball are a win each away from knocking out the teams with the Nos. 5 and 6 payrolls. That says as much about the value of high draft picks and having the flexibility to trade veterans for prospects as it does about the skills of the two FO's. Between the luxury tax, the rising cost of free agents, and the (shameful) manipulation of service time by some teams, it has become increasingly difficult for teams, no matter how well run to sustain excellence. It also says a lot about blowing the significance of a five game series completely out of proportion. It took Dayton Moore eight years to just barely limp into the playoffs but now he's better than Dombrowski. Right. |
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