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Post by Oregon Norm on Dec 9, 2015 12:12:29 GMT -5
This is the time of year when every thread turns into a trade proposal forum. Not to worry.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 9, 2015 13:35:08 GMT -5
So we can expect a 2011 version of Ellsbury? hehe
I wonder what number he'll get retired.
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Post by burythehammer on Dec 9, 2015 16:41:42 GMT -5
He'll be the #1 prospect in baseball by midseason, if he isn't already. He's not getting traded.
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Post by voiceofreason on Dec 10, 2015 9:35:57 GMT -5
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 11, 2015 15:15:14 GMT -5
Before we get this started again, please see pages 57-59 of this thread, where this conversation has already taken place. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 11, 2015 15:16:43 GMT -5
I hope his biceps are only the size of cantaloupes not Watermelons. Have we discussed it in terms of fruit yet
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Dec 11, 2015 15:26:28 GMT -5
Can we all come down off the mountain for a minute with this guy? Yes, he's solid as a rock. Yes, he has impressive tools/potential.
Wake me when he's OPSing 1.200 in Salem and/or 1.050 in Portland, his defense has improved to where we see he can be an above-average major league infielder, and his ego hasn't grown to the size of Mt. Rushmore. Baseball is too complex a game to get all ga-ga over someone at Moncada's current minor league status.
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Post by dirtywater on Dec 11, 2015 15:33:15 GMT -5
Can we all come down off the mountain for a minute with this guy? Yes, he's solid as a rock. Yes, he has impressive tools/potential. Wake me when he's OPSing 1.200 in Salem and/or 1.050 in Portland, his defense has improved to where we see he can be an above-average major league infielder, and his ego hasn't grown to the size of Mt. Rushmore. Baseball is too complex a game to get all ga-ga over someone at Moncada's current minor league status.*Deactivates my SoxProspects account* |
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 11, 2015 15:38:41 GMT -5
Can we all come down off the mountain for a minute with this guy? Yes, he's solid as a rock. Yes, he has impressive tools/potential. Wake me when he's OPSing 1.200 in Salem and/or 1.050 in Portland, his defense has improved to where we see he can be an above-average major league infielder, and his ego hasn't grown to the size of Mt. Rushmore. Baseball is too complex a game to get all ga-ga over someone at Moncada's current minor league status. Really? How about when he's named in the top 3 prospects for MLB in preseason? Mike Trout never OPS'ed over 1.000 at any level except for AA in 20 games. Seems like we'll wait a long time to cheer for any prospect ever again. |
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Post by jimoh on Dec 11, 2015 16:09:48 GMT -5
Can we all come down off the mountain for a minute with this guy? Yes, he's solid as a rock. Yes, he has impressive tools/potential. Wake me when he's OPSing 1.200 in Salem and/or 1.050 in Portland, his defense has improved to where we see he can be an above-average major league infielder, and his ego hasn't grown to the size of Mt. Rushmore. Baseball is too complex a game to get all ga-ga over someone at Moncada's current minor league status. evidence for ego problems? the wearing of tight shirts? ego like Papi and Pedroia? |
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Post by jmei on Dec 11, 2015 16:11:18 GMT -5
Yeah, I was gonna say, one of those things is unlike the others.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 11, 2015 16:12:40 GMT -5
Was Mike Trout in the minors long enough?
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 11, 2015 16:25:44 GMT -5
Was Mike Trout in the minors long enough? 1423 PAs in the minors. |
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Post by chavopepe2 on Dec 11, 2015 16:29:11 GMT -5
Can we all come down off the mountain for a minute with this guy? Yes, he's solid as a rock. Yes, he has impressive tools/potential. Wake me when he's OPSing 1.200 in Salem and/or 1.050 in Portland, his defense has improved to where we see he can be an above-average major league infielder, and his ego hasn't grown to the size of Mt. Rushmore. Baseball is too complex a game to get all ga-ga over someone at Moncada's current minor league status. You'll never change ASF! |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 26, 2016 0:31:11 GMT -5
Yoan Moncada is MLB.com's Top second baseman: m.mlb.com/news/article/162587352/prospect-watch-top-10-second-basemen-for-2016link includes video
1. Yoan Moncada, Red Sox
The Red Sox went all in for the Cuban import last March, spending $63 million between the young infielder's bonus and the ensuing international spending overage penalty fee. After a slow start to his debut, Moncada turned it on in the second half as a 20-year-old in the South Atlantic League. He has the potential to do just about everything offensively extremely well.
Scouting grades: Hit: 60 | Power: 55 | Run: 65 | Arm: 60 | Field: 50 | Overall: 65
The most-hyped teenaged prospect to come out of Cuba since Jorge Soler, Moncada signed last March for $31.5 million, nearly doubling the previous record bonus for an amateur player (Aroldis Chapman's $16.25 million in 2010). The Red Sox also had to pay a matching penalty for blowing past their international bonus pool, but so far the total $63 million expenditure looks well worth it. After a slow start in Moncada's pro debut, he rebounded to bat .310/.415/.500 in the second half, and he showed the dynamic tools package Boston paid for.
Few middle infielders can match Moncada's huge offensive ceiling, which earns him comparisons to Robinson Cano with more speed. He's a switch-hitter with outstanding bat speed who makes consistent hard contact from both sides of the plate. Moncada doesn't have much loft in his swing, which could cap his home run production at 15 annually, though he has the potential for 20-25 per season if he alters his approach.
Moncada's best pure tool is his well-above-average speed, which he put to good use by stealing 49 bases in 52 attempts last season. His quickness doesn't translate consistently as well in the field, where he looks tentative at times at second base. But Moncada should be at least an average defender at second base, and he has the range and arm strength to play almost anywhere on the diamond he might be needed.
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Post by sibbysisti on Jan 26, 2016 2:06:49 GMT -5
I hope his biceps are only the size of cantaloupes not Watermelons. Have we discussed it in terms of fruit yet That's like comparing apples to oranges.  |
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Post by sox fan in nc on Jan 26, 2016 15:24:06 GMT -5
I wonder who in the NYY org pulled the plug on obtaining him. Weren't they like 5 mil short? 63 mil looks like a bargain. I know he has a way to go to fulfill his potential, it's just hard not to get pumped about this kid.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jan 26, 2016 16:21:56 GMT -5
It was the owner who vetoed going higher than they went.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Jan 26, 2016 16:52:23 GMT -5
It was the owner who vetoed going higher than they went. I know Hal has the final say, I just wonder if a scout, or Cashman, or a coach said cap it at 25 mil. I guess we'll never know, but whoever it was, they were wrong to at least not match us. Yoan may have chosen them as they would probably be more aggressive in promoting him to the big leagues quicker. |
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 26, 2016 18:52:09 GMT -5
This thread has about 40 pages of discussion about it if you're interested. Nothing left to be said really.
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Post by ray88h66 on Jan 26, 2016 18:56:34 GMT -5
There has been a lot of sarcastic posts, some I get, some I don't. But if Mookie has shown us anything, nobody that can hit is ever blocked. It's been said even longer, that if you can hit a position will be found. I haven't seen him enough to give any views, but I like the numbers.
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Post by telson13 on Jan 27, 2016 1:00:57 GMT -5
There has been a lot of sarcastic posts, some I get, some I don't. But if Mookie has shown us anything, nobody that can hit is ever blocked. It's been said even longer, that if you can hit a position will be found. I haven't seen him enough to give any views, but I like the numbers. I agree. His bat and all-around offensive game are going to play. I love that his isoD last year was right around .100. He seems like a very reasonable bet to put up 15-20 HR on the low end, and he certainly has the "feel" of being a regular .290-.300 hitter. If he's putting up .290/.370/.450 lines with 30-40 SB (and 85-90% success), he's going to be on the field somewhere. If he approaches his ceiling, which is probably closer to .300/.400/.525, they'll *make* room. He certainly has the arm to play anywhere. I still wish (irrationally I know) that they'd give him some time at SS. Regardless, he's not getting traded. He's a fair bet to be up sometime in 2017, and my guess is that he puts up some pretty wild numbers in his ascent. When he does come up for good, he's going to be putting up big numbers at zero cost. That has *lots* of value. |
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Post by brianthetaoist on Jan 27, 2016 8:29:19 GMT -5
One thing following prospects has taught me is to be very humble when talking about defensive projections. Xander Bogaerts wasn't supposed to stick at short, Jed Lowrie, too ... on the other hand, Ryan Lavarnway was supposed to be kind of a butcher at catcher (and he was). Some of the reputations are overblown, some are made obsolete by the development of the players, some turn out to be correct. It's just really, really hard to tell.
Add in the adjustment Moncada went through last year in general, and I will say that I know absolutely nothing about Moncada's eventual defensive position. The fact that he's even still at second says good things (and MLB says he'll be "at least average" there), but beyond that, who knows?
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Post by sox fan in nc on Jan 27, 2016 12:25:57 GMT -5
With his perceived ability to play multiple positions, it will be interesting to see if the Sox have him play at different positions this year. He may force the issue to promote himself quickly through the system like Carlos Correa. If they wait till next year, it may be too late. Obviously, the FO has a better feel on this.
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Post by ericmvan on Jan 27, 2016 19:06:19 GMT -5
People usually assume that the point of Pedroia's contract is that he should be the starting 2B right through the end. But look at these facts about that extension:
His age: going into his age 30 season
His average value at ages 28 and 29: $33M a year
The total value of the contract: $110M
If the news of the $110M figure had broken first, there would have been a debate here as to whether it was 5 x $22M, or 4 x $27.5M. Most folks would argue for the former, I think, knowing he'd take a hometown discount, but that it was actually a 6 or 7 year deal would seem very questionable. 8 years? Crazy.
Except it's not. I think it's Pedroia and his agent taking a 5/$110 deal and him saying, I want to play three more years if I can, essentially for free. If there's room on the roster for him, everybody wins, even if he's just a backup 2B and occasional fill-in elsewhere. Remember that his clubhouse presence is so huge. (And I think MLB rosters are likely to expand by then, in fact.)
The upshot of this is that I think the Sox projected Pedroia as the starting 2B only through about 2018. I think there's a scenario where Moncada plays 3B for a couple of years and then moves back to 2B, with Devers taking over at 3B. Or where he plays OF for a couple of years.
The general point is that there may be an opportunity at 2B for Moncada by the time he's, say, 24.
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