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Post by gatorgreenwell on Dec 11, 2014 14:44:00 GMT -5
Can we get a pen arm? Maybe the Phils include Papelbon in an Hamels deal. That'd lower the price at least!
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Post by texs31 on Dec 11, 2014 15:02:42 GMT -5
Assuming Miley gets done, we've added Workman to the pen and that's pretty good. If Shields is signed or trade is made for a 1/2 (& none of the vets or young grads are included), you can likely add Kelly as well.
Pretty good, given the going rate for relievers right now.
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Post by dmaineah on Dec 11, 2014 15:06:15 GMT -5
I like the SP depth we have for AAA. Barnes Owens Rodriguez Johnson Ranaudo Wright Workman. I think Ranaudo Wright & Workman could all compete for the bullpen this spring along with Escobar Hembree & Britton
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Post by danr on Dec 11, 2014 15:12:56 GMT -5
The Sox need to have another really good LHP in the BP.
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Post by dmaineah on Dec 11, 2014 15:24:25 GMT -5
The Sox need to have another really good LHP in the BP. That's always nice but realistically they just need to have Pitchers who can get Left Handed Batters out
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Post by redsox1534 on Dec 11, 2014 21:03:56 GMT -5
I think Escobar looks like a great lefthanded option out of the pen. I like our depth and major league talent out of the pen rigth now I no some one or a couple guys from minors need to step up and or we need to add some one threw FA or a trade, we could use a LH reliever but I really want badenhop back he was good and fits a need who shouldnt be expensive.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 11, 2014 21:11:42 GMT -5
Given the team's history, I'd be surprised if they moved anyone other than Workman to the bullpen at the start of the year. Maybe Wright too. Things in the rotation between MLB and AAA have gone from ridiculous to sustainably crowded - if needed, they could be conservative with, say, Rodriguez and start him in AAA for a month to continue getting Escobar starts and see if it's going to work for him there. He's going to be just 23, so I'd like to see him get one last shot at the rotation unless they think he's going to step into a setup role or something.
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Post by soxcentral on Dec 13, 2014 14:33:15 GMT -5
So if we work off the assumptions that Kelly stays in the rotation and no other starter is added to the roster, really the only thing left to do is deepen the bullpen.
With the only current certainties being Uehara, Tazawa and Mujica my guess is we'll fill 2 spots with current young arms and go out and get two more.
Current Roster Candidates Workman Layne Wright Britton Spruill Hembree Escobar Ranaudo Barnes
Thinking it will be Workman and Layne, with all others starting in AAA (Britton traded or DFA'd depending on spring performance)
Not counting trade possibilites, FA I'd like to see targeted if possible (in order of preference) would be:
Brett Anderson - Not sure if you can talk him in to signing as a reliever, but if at all possible he'd be my favorite overpay.
Brandon Morrow - Same as Anderson, not sure if he'd accept a reliever salary but I'd wait them both out and pay overmarket value for him too if no one gives him a starter's contract.
Rafael Soriano - 1 year deal very heavy on incentives.
Chad Billingsley - Another injury guy who may need to move to the pen, if he can be talked in to signing as one.
Carlos Villanueva - Might be a good swingman candidate, likely not too expensive.
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Post by danr on Dec 13, 2014 14:48:03 GMT -5
I thought Soriano said he was retiring.
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Post by soxcentral on Dec 13, 2014 15:09:46 GMT -5
I thought Soriano said he was retiring. I thought that was Alfonso Soriano, but maybe both are.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 13, 2014 21:16:56 GMT -5
I'd really like to see a good addition to the bullpen. Romo or Krod would be nice. Jansen, I think can be a good buy low. KRod has poor numbers from the second half but it's from 2 outings where he gave up 6 of his 10 second half runs. He had a dub 2 ERA in the other outings.
Casey Jansen had a rough second half too. If he is healthy, then he could be a nice add.
There are other ways to add to it and I'm confident Barnes will be a power reliever, but I have no confidence in Koji. Really, not happy to not have Miller back.
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Post by blizzards39 on Dec 13, 2014 21:29:35 GMT -5
Spend the cash on getting an ACE in here and go with the young arms in the pen.
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Post by larrycook on Dec 13, 2014 21:32:54 GMT -5
So if we work off the assumptions that Kelly stays in the rotation and no other starter is added to the roster, really the only thing left to do is deepen the bullpen. With the only current certainties being Uehara, Tazawa and Mujica my guess is we'll fill 2 spots with current young arms and go out and get two more. Current Roster CandidatesWorkman Layne Wright Britton Spruill Hembree Escobar Ranaudo Barnes Thinking it will be Workman and Layne, with all others starting in AAA (Britton traded or DFA'd depending on spring performance) Not counting trade possibilites, FA I'd like to see targeted if possible (in order of preference) would be: Brett Anderson - Not sure if you can talk him in to signing as a reliever, but if at all possible he'd be my favorite overpay. Brandon Morrow - Same as Anderson, not sure if he'd accept a reliever salary but I'd wait them both out and pay overmarket value for him too if no one gives him a starter's contract. Rafael Soriano - 1 year deal very heavy on incentives. Chad Billingsley - Another injury guy who may need to move to the pen, if he can be talked in to signing as one. Carlos Villanueva - Might be a good swingman candidate, likely not too expensive. I think we need another lefty in the pen. Not sure I am comfortable with layne and Britton. And I thnk Escobar starts the year in Pawtucket.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 13, 2014 22:14:56 GMT -5
I don't buy into the need a lefty thing, unless our manager is of the ilk that will always throw a lefty vs lefty. Just need pitchers to shut down lefties. Taz is strong vs LHH.
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Post by mgoetze on Dec 13, 2014 23:16:43 GMT -5
I don't buy into the need a lefty thing, unless our manager is of the ilk that will always throw a lefty vs lefty. I have bad news for you ... Farrell is going to be around at least one more season.
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Post by grandsalami on Dec 15, 2014 18:31:39 GMT -5
Mark Bowman ?@mlbbowman 18m18 minutes ago The #Braves are expected to DFA Anthony Varvaro to create a roster spot for Alberto Callaspo
MLB.com's Mark Bowman reports that the Braves plan to designate Anthony Varvaro for assignment when their deal with Alberto Callaspo becomes official. Varvaro, 30, holds a 2.99 ERA over 153 relief appearances for the Braves over the last four seasons, so he figures to draw some interest on waivers. He posted a 2.63 mark with 50 strikeouts over 54 2/3 frames last season. Dec 15 - 6:15 PM ROTO
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 15, 2014 19:34:11 GMT -5
That's interesting. A little surprised they can't trade him even if it's for nothing special.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 16, 2014 9:59:03 GMT -5
That's interesting. A little surprised they can't trade him even if it's for nothing special. You can trade a guy after he's been DFA.
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Post by soxcentral on Dec 16, 2014 11:35:58 GMT -5
Brett Anderson - Not sure if you can talk him in to signing as a reliever, but if at all possible he'd be my favorite overpay.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 16, 2014 11:50:44 GMT -5
That's interesting. A little surprised they can't trade him even if it's for nothing special. You can trade a guy after he's been DFA. I meant beforehand... Should have used the word couldn't.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 16, 2014 11:51:40 GMT -5
Brett Anderson - Not sure if you can talk him in to signing as a reliever, but if at all possible he'd be my favorite overpay.
It'd help if he were a free agent
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Post by soxcentral on Dec 16, 2014 11:55:46 GMT -5
He was when I originally posted it (Anderson, not Boehner), but signed with the Dodgers yesterday.
And now Morrow to the Padres too?
If there really is $20m to spend on Shields/Scherzer/Hamels I'd rather we keep the 5 starters intact and give heavy incentive based overpays to 2 great arms coming back from injury. So Anderson and morrow were my hopes, but maybe there are others who fit the same idea.
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Post by James Dunne on Dec 16, 2014 12:00:38 GMT -5
Brandon Morrow is 30, has passed 150 innings once, and has a career ERA+ of 99. He's only six months younger than Jon Lester. I'm happy for the guy that he got a major league contract, but I certainly wouldn't want my favorite team to be the one that gave it to him.
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Post by jmei on Dec 16, 2014 15:49:26 GMT -5
Brandon Morrow is 30, has passed 150 innings once, and has a career ERA+ of 99. He's only six months younger than Jon Lester. I'm happy for the guy that he got a major league contract, but I certainly wouldn't want my favorite team to be the one that gave it to him. There are plenty of starters with that profile who have become elite relievers, especially guys like Morrow with electric stuff. He certainly deserved a major league deal, and for just $2.5m guaranteed, I would have been thrilled to take a flyer on him.
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Post by nomar on Dec 16, 2014 17:19:34 GMT -5
Looks like he wants to start though anyway, right?
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