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Post by chavopepe2 on Dec 9, 2015 10:06:27 GMT -5
Swanson is much closer in value to Moncada than he is to Benintendi and I'd take Corbin over Rodriguez. It's a substantial package but more reasonable than the rumored haul the Marlins wanted from the Dodgers. Just my opinion, but I don't think Swanson is much closer to Moncada than Benintendi. I think if you redid the draft today Benintendi would be in the conversation at 1.1.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 9, 2015 10:11:13 GMT -5
Swanson is much closer in value to Moncada than he is to Benintendi and I'd take Corbin over Rodriguez. It's a substantial package but more reasonable than the rumored haul the Marlins wanted from the Dodgers. Just my opinion, but I don't think Swanson is much closer to Moncada than Benintendi. I think if you redid the draft today Benintendi would be in the conversation at 1.1. And Moncada is probably in consideration for #1 on top 100 MLB.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 9, 2015 11:55:57 GMT -5
Swanson is much closer in value to Moncada than he is to Benintendi and I'd take Corbin over Rodriguez. It's a substantial package but more reasonable than the rumored haul the Marlins wanted from the Dodgers. See I would take Rodriguez over Corbin in a second. A little more risk with Rodriguez but also a lot more upside. In 21 starts he almost matched Corbins 2013 year of 2.8 bwar(32 starts), with 2.5 bwar.
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Post by mattpicard on Dec 9, 2015 15:54:35 GMT -5
Mets send Jon Niese to Pittsburgh and get their new second baseman in Neil Walker. Love this trade from the Mets perspective -- they replace Murphy's contact skills with a (typically) more powerful second baseman who offers more reliable defense, and get him with his final two yearsyear of arbitration instead of whatever overpay Murphy is going to receive. Clearly they're not too confident in Dilson Herrera right now, but Walker, while not a middle of the order guy, helps add a plus bat to a lineup that's going to struggle to replace Cespedes' presence.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Dec 9, 2015 15:57:29 GMT -5
Astros media session was just pushed back Jim Salisbury reports. Rumored to be hot on Ken Giles. Will be fascinating to see what they give up if it happens.
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Post by soxfanatic on Dec 9, 2015 15:59:11 GMT -5
If I'm the Mets I'm giving Heyward a long hard look in center field. He can play there until Granderson's deal expires after 2017.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Dec 9, 2015 16:01:38 GMT -5
If I'm the Mets I'm giving Heyward a long hard look in center field. He can play there until Granderson's deal expires after 2017. I would be shocked to see the Mets sign a 180+mm contract. Would be exciting for their fans.
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Post by jmei on Dec 9, 2015 16:04:14 GMT -5
Mets send Jon Niese to Pittsburgh and get their new second baseman in Neil Walker. Love this trade from the Mets perspective -- they replace Murphy's contact skills with a (typically) more powerful second baseman who offers more reliable defense, and get him with his final two years of arbitration instead of whatever overpay Murphy is going to receive. Clearly they're not too confident in Dilson Herrera right now, but Walker, while not a middle of the order guy, helps add a plus bat to a lineup that's going to struggle to replace Cespedes' presence. I agree with your conclusion, but wanted to point out that Walker only has one year of team control left. The plus side to that is that he makes a nice bridge to Herrera, who you're more confident in penciling into a starting role in 2017 as opposed to 2016.
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Post by grandsalami on Dec 9, 2015 17:56:41 GMT -5
Jack McNeil @jackmcneil44 5h5 hours ago Dave Stewart: "When you look at Shelby Miller, you're looking at a guy who was traded for Jason Heyward, who is worth $200 million"
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Post by chavopepe2 on Dec 9, 2015 18:20:05 GMT -5
Jack McNeil @jackmcneil44 5h5 hours ago Dave Stewart: "When you look at Shelby Miller, you're looking at a guy who was traded for Jason Heyward, who is worth $200 million" You mean four seasons of Miller was traded for one season of Heyward? Does that make him worth $50M?
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Post by xanderdu on Dec 9, 2015 18:23:07 GMT -5
Jack McNeil @jackmcneil44 5h5 hours ago Dave Stewart: "When you look at Shelby Miller, you're looking at a guy who was traded for Jason Heyward, who is worth $200 million" You mean four seasons of Miller was traded for one season of Heyward? Does that make him worth $50M? Sorry, that reality does not fit in the tweet, nor the 15 second sound bite. Too many facts confuse the fans, especially those in my age group that predominate Arizona.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Dec 9, 2015 20:49:04 GMT -5
Am I the only one that thinks the Yankees are actually hurting themselves by trading away first Adam Warren and now Justin Wilson. Both of them gave the Yanks a lot of good innings last season. I'm certainly glad, but surprised. Their rotation is a potential disaster, and their main strength has already been weakened....and now they are rumored to be shopping one of their 2-headed monster at the end of the game. Sounds good!
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Dec 9, 2015 20:59:35 GMT -5
Giles to Astros pending physicals.
So far deal is Giles for Velasquez, Oberholtzer, and Derek Fisher. Rumors there might be 1 more pitcher headed to Phils, but not confirmed yet.
Also sounds like Lawrie to White Sox is nearing completion.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Dec 9, 2015 21:35:09 GMT -5
Giles to Astros pending physicals. So far deal is Giles for Velasquez, Oberholtzer, and Derek Fisher. Rumors there might be 1 more pitcher headed to Phils, but not confirmed yet. Also sounds like Lawrie to White Sox is nearing completion. Old friend JB Wendelken appears to be going to Oakland in the deal. He was traded to Chicago in the Jake Peavy deal.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Dec 9, 2015 21:36:33 GMT -5
Giles to Astros pending physicals. So far deal is Giles for Velasquez, Oberholtzer, and Derek Fisher. Rumors there might be 1 more pitcher headed to Phils, but not confirmed yet. Also sounds like Lawrie to White Sox is nearing completion. Old friend JB Wendelken appears to be going to Oakland in the deal. He was traded to Chicago in the Jake Peavy deal. God Billy Beane sucks. No one is steering that ship
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Post by James Dunne on Dec 9, 2015 21:43:52 GMT -5
Swanson is much closer in value to Moncada than he is to Benintendi and I'd take Corbin over Rodriguez. It's a substantial package but more reasonable than the rumored haul the Marlins wanted from the Dodgers. Just my opinion, but I don't think Swanson is much closer to Moncada than Benintendi. I think if you redid the draft today Benintendi would be in the conversation at 1.1. I disagree but fair enough. I have Rodgers and Swanson clear 1 and 2 (in that order) and then a pretty fair dropoff with Benintendi in the conversation for #3. That's no disrespect to Benintendi though, who I like very much and I think is a clear Top 40 guy right now.
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Post by Don Caballero on Dec 9, 2015 23:27:47 GMT -5
Jack McNeil @jackmcneil44 5h5 hours ago Dave Stewart: "When you look at Shelby Miller, you're looking at a guy who was traded for Jason Heyward, who is worth $200 million" You mean four seasons of Miller was traded for one season of Heyward? Does that make him worth $50M? No no, according to my Nonsensical Dave Stewart Math Simulator™ that makes him worth $2475M and a goat.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 10, 2015 1:04:28 GMT -5
Am I the only one that thinks the Yankees are actually hurting themselves by trading away first Adam Warren and now Justin Wilson. Both of them gave the Yanks a lot of good innings last season. I'm certainly glad, but surprised. Their rotation is a potential disaster, and their main strength has already been weakened....and now they are rumored to be shopping one of their 2-headed monster at the end of the game. Sounds good! Year after year they seem to develop these swing type pitchers and then trade them and it never comes back to bite them. Moves like this scare me, its means the Yankees are being smart. I love it when they go out and sign 3/4 of the top players each year. Sure it might help them for a few years, but then it bloats their payroll and fill their roaster with a bunch of declining players. In years past the Yankees would have traded a good prospect for a player like Castro, now they get him for next to nothing. With this years deep pitching market, I bet they sign a couple of guys to team friendly deals after the money starts to dry up.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 10, 2015 1:38:34 GMT -5
Edit: or maybe Moncada, JBJ, Owens? I'd say this is dead on. So would Tim Britton, who used the comp in his email newsletter today. Hi Tim!
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Post by jimoh on Dec 10, 2015 6:21:31 GMT -5
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Post by brianthetaoist on Dec 10, 2015 6:42:58 GMT -5
Any relation to Red Sox great Vaughn Eshelman?
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Post by borisman on Dec 10, 2015 7:15:24 GMT -5
www.camdenchat.com/2015/12/9/9876946/orioles-rumors-chris-davis-contract-offerFrom the article: "The ball is in Davis's court now. The Orioles over the last several days have been leaning on the idea that at some point they're going to have to move on and consider other options." If Davis refuses to sign quickly can we trade Hanley to the O's and sign Davis? Also, the Blue Jays are rumored to be in on Davis.
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Post by burythehammer on Dec 10, 2015 7:27:55 GMT -5
Steamer projections:
wRC+ Chris Davis: 116 Hanley Ramirez: 120
Davis is the biggest free agent landmine out there.
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Post by soxfanatic on Dec 10, 2015 7:30:28 GMT -5
Steamer projections: wRC+ Chris Davis: 116 Hanley Ramirez: 120 Davis is the biggest free agent landmine out there. Reportedly looking for 8/200.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 10, 2015 7:53:21 GMT -5
Steamer projections: wRC+ Chris Davis: 116 Hanley Ramirez: 120 Davis is the biggest free agent landmine out there. Reportedly looking for 8/200. That's wayyyyyyy too much for a guy who has performance swings between 7 fWAR seasons and replacement level seasons. You don't know if you're going to get a gradual aging curve for elite players or just a complete disaster who one day cannot hit anymore at all.
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